Debate user 'Mother puss bucket' about feminism and TERFs in tranny threads

[Mother puss bucket]

So, taking this out of the TERF thread before we get spanked by the jannies, and here we go. First-wave feminism is centered on the suffragette movement, which was pretty evenly split between radical social-justice advocates and conservative women who just wanted a seat at the table of power. Outside of female suffrage, the radicals focused on issues like abolitionism and rights for minorities, while the conservatives focused on austerity movements and pro-war campaigns like the whitefeathers. Both camps are absolutely true feminists, and I don't downplay or disavow anything they did. They're feminists, and they did and thought bad things.

But they absolutely believed in gender-roles, and their doctrine was absolutely incompatible with second-wave 'radical' feminism except for the idea that women should be able to vote. You're crying about men being forced into suicide because of the dismantling of gender roles and the example you bring up is whitefeathers ; who explictly and deliberately tried to force men into suicide by appealing to their gender roles. I can understand why anyone might be apprehensive at the thought of gender abolition, but you're not being the slightest bit consistent here. Are you for gender roles, or are you against them? Are whitefeathers a good thing, or a bad thing?

I poisoned your food, are you for or against eating food?

 

[Dyn]

I poisoned your food, are you for or against eating food?

I'm for eating food because some random spastic on the internet hasn't poisoned my food.

 

[Mother puss bucket]

I'm for eating food because some random spastic on the internet hasn't poisoned my food.

My food has HRT in it.

 

[Dyn]

My food has HRT in it.

I wish you all the best in your transition, what pronouns do you prefer?

 

[Mother puss bucket]

I wish you all the best in your transition, what pronouns do you prefer?

I'm a radical meninist, pronouns are too close to gender roles so I've got rid of them too.

Bookmark this post and check back in 10 years, it won't be ironic any more.

 

[L50LasPak]

I think conservatives and radical feminists are all to blame. This is a classic scenario where all of the people involved are shitty and terrible, and despite the fact that they occasionally raise good points their human nature inevtiably leads them to act like the self-destructive, controlling assholes they inherently are.

If I were judge I'd sentence them both to hang. They should be together in death as they are in life. As it is they only exist to remind the rest of us why letting regular people decide things for themselves is always a terrible idea.

 

[Vlinny-kun]

Guys, guys, guys... can't we blame both trannies and feminists on why modern society is fucked right now? I sure do.

 

[Dom Cruise]

There are unironic feminists on Kiwifarms?

LOL

I hope you realize "feminism" is in fact a hate movement against anything that is actual "femininity", it's closer to calling the KKK a "pro black movement" than it is anything actually about making women's lives better.

It is and to some degree at the very least ( if not always entirely) been about turning women into men and now that's just being taken to it's logical conclusion and happening literally!

You played yourselves, those "Donna Reed" style 1950s housewives you love to demonize so much were happier than a hardcore "feminist" woman will ever be, especially in the future as actual women's rights get stripped away in favor of trans women.

 

[Sanshain]

So, taking this out of the TERF thread before we get spanked by the jannies, and here we go. First-wave feminism is centered on the suffragette movement, which was pretty evenly split between radical social-justice advocates and conservative women who just wanted a seat at the table of power. Outside of female suffrage, the radicals focused on issues like abolitionism and rights for minorities, while the conservatives focused on austerity movements and pro-war campaigns like the whitefeathers. Both camps are absolutely true feminists, and I don't downplay or disavow anything they did. They're feminists, and they did and thought bad things.

But they absolutely believed in gender-roles, and their doctrine was absolutely incompatible with second-wave 'radical' feminism except for the idea that women should be able to vote. You're crying about men being forced into suicide because of the dismantling of gender roles and the example you bring up is whitefeathers ; who explictly and deliberately tried to force men into suicide by appealing to their gender roles. I can understand why anyone might be apprehensive at the thought of gender abolition, but you're not being the slightest bit consistent here. Are you for gender roles, or are you against them? Are whitefeathers a good thing, or a bad thing?

Dyn rising to the bait? What the actual fuck? I seriously need to check under my bed for interdimensional portals now.

 

[WeWuzFinns]

I have a great respect for feminists ideologues for being able to trick a large proportion of women into being genetic dead ends who expend all their energy working for some soulless corporations. This seems to be an effective way to get rid of all the mid witted women and make the population way dumber. I for one welcome the new stone age.

 

[Bamanda]

I think I saw you say you don't support "golf club" feminism so this probably doesn't apply to you.

In my hobby (cycling) women are allowed to barge in and complain that clubs are too male. If we say it's because most women can't keep up it's sexist. They even say we're macho and show off by going downhill too fast even though heavier objects roll downhill faster (Galileo's falling cannonballs experiment doesn't apply to rolling objects). They literally want us to Harrison Bergeron ourselves and hold the brakes.

Men actually found a solution to this and started buying e-bikes for their wives/girlfriends/dads/etc so they can come out and keep up. Pinarello picked up on this and ran ads with middle aged men and young women. Women then called this solution sexist to imply they're too weak to keep up with men and Pinarello got cancelled.

Check out the different reactions for each image:
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(These bikes are $8k btw and the female ad is clearly aimed at serious cyclist husbands/boyfriends buying it as a present.)

Now trannies are allowed into women's races and suddenly the tune changes. They want us to save them but they won't even admit they did any of this previous stuff.


This is undoubtedly true but this is also similar to how we got here in the first place. How many of these born again TERFs previously blindly supported mainstream feminism because they believed the simple "feminism is the belief that men and women are equal" and unwittingly supported shitty causes like trannies while calling anyone who tried to warn them misogynist? Now they blindly support TERFism and there's no indication it won't repeat itself.

If they admitted that maybe the money they spent on the "this is what a feminist looks like" shirt perhaps didn't go to a good cause then I'd give them some slack but they double down and admit absolutely no fault.

If they got off the ride years ago then fair play but a lot of it seems to be recent converts like JK Rowling who only changed their minds when they were personally effected.


When you're already called homophobic, misogynist, racist, Islamophobic, etc then adding transphobic to the pile makes no difference. Women are only scared to speak up because they're not used to the abuse. They're not used to the abuse because they supported most things that lead us up to this point. Religious women have less of a problem because they're used to their religion being attacked.

I saw a post on KF along the lines of "men can't take criticism so they will save us when they're called transphobes for refusing to suck girldick". How deep in the bubble do you have to be to say that.

That definitely doesn’t apply to me. This is the kind of culture that made me ignore any sort of feminism. I don’t know what kind of world a woman who cares that she can’t join a men’s cycling club lives in, but it’s very far from mine.

FWIW, I don’t see an issue with hobbies having men or women only groups. Not just because of physical differences, but group dynamics change when they become mixed sex. Not everyone wants that, and that’s ok.

I think what a lot of men like you, and others in this thread, don’t understand is that in real life most women don’t care about these things. We care about being treated equally. I don’t want cycling teams to slow themselves down to accommodate me, I do want to be considered for promotion alongside my male colleague when we have the same experience and qualifications. Is that really so fucking hard to understand?

The vibe seems to be HAHA feeeeeeemales you get what you deserve with the tranny invasion because radical feminism. None of you seem to care that the majority of women don’t think of themselves as feminist and don’t buy into whatever radical feminism did to piss you off. Do those women deserve to be raped in prison? Do teenage girls deserve to be forced to undress infront of a perverted fat fuck with triangle tits and an erection?

You can sit and gloat all you want, but if there are any women at all in your life who you care about you better get over yourselves and start fighting this for their sakes.

 

[Mother puss bucket]

FWIW, I don’t see an issue with hobbies having men or women only groups. Not just because of physical differences, but group dynamics change when they become mixed sex. Not everyone wants that, and that’s ok.

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I think what a lot of men like you, and others in this thread, don’t understand is that in real life most women don’t care about these things. We care about being treated equally. I don’t want cycling teams to slow themselves down to accommodate me, I do want to be considered for promotion alongside my male colleague when we have the same experience and qualifications. Is that really so fucking hard to understand?

Do you not see your contradiction here? Men and women make dynamics different, they act different. A man of equal qualifications to a women (imagining such a thing could exist) is still not equal. The risk of a 25 year old woman leaving the work force and forcing you to pay for her maternity leave is significantly higher than a man at 25. How do you account for women's mood shifts during periods or the drama they cause? Men are more functional than women even when equally qualified. And men are much less likely to lead to massive drama. Unless a guy has some major red flags, he is a better employee than a woman of equal qualification is, on every measurable level.

You are the poster child of the "I'm not a feminist, I just act like one" types. The majority of women fall into this category where they support equality, because they think it sounds fair and good. But that's not how reality works. Even at a simple base level adding more women to the work force devalues men's work by increasing the amount of workers available. This makes it so men's work doesn't stretch as far as it used to and limits what a family can do on his single income. This may force the wife (and should be mother) to work as well. Which then leaves the kids with two fathers and no mother. This is an unhealthy family dynamic and unhealthy for their community. The entire ideology from top to bottom has consequences for it's actions and no one wants to face up to those because it "feels good" to not think things through and support it. It's one of the most insidious things about feminism in our society, it's infested everything and even those who claim not to be still follow it's poisonous ideas and hurt each other because of it.

Edit : I forgot to mention the shaming language at the end trying to guilt men into defending feminists after many of us have had our entire lives of being the punching bag of feminist policies. Maybe you "normal women" should have fought back against mandatory anti-rape classes and all the abuse you were fine letting men suffer. Good men aren't worried about bad women and good women are smart enough not to end up in prison with a tranny.

 

[Devyn]

Feminism brainwashed these women into believing they're equal to men and they can't get past that when reality knocks on the door.

Often women hear "not equal to" and they assume it means "not equally valuable as humans"--it sounds like bashing even when it is not.

As a child I remember being upset by my sex described as "the weaker vessel" in the Bible, thinking it was meant as an insult when it was actually just a statement of fact: Women are weaker and more vulnerable than men, both physically and emotionally, but our traditional roles are just as vital as men's --historically it was as close to a perfect division of labour as possible. Married, homemaker mothers should be cherished and praised like in a traditional Christian society they always were, not shamed, but it seems the shaming comes as often from "egalitarian" women these days as from degenerate, misogynist men (probably even more).

Without the majority of both men and women in their strict traditional roles a civilization cannot survive, period.

Or as Will Durant put it:
"Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty and dies with chaos."

 

[Mother puss bucket]

Often women hear "not equal to" and they assume it means "not equally valuable as humans"--it sounds like bashing even when it is not.

As a child I remember being upset by my sex described as "the weaker vessel" in the Bible, thinking it was meant as an insult when it was actually just a statement of fact: Women are weaker and more vulnerable than men, both physically and emotionally, but our traditional roles are just as vital as men's --historically it was as close to a perfect division of labour as possible. Married, homemaker mothers should be cherished and praised like in a traditional Christian society they always were, not shamed, but it seems the shaming comes as often from "egalitarian" women these days as from degenerate, misogynist men (probably even more).

Without the majority of both men and women in their strict traditional roles a civilization cannot survive, period.

Or as Will Durant put it:
"Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty and dies with chaos."

Is there anything more valued and put on a pedestal than women? Men pretending to be women wouldn't be on the same level if it wasn't already significantly above everything else to begin with. Women larping as men saying they're not as valued as men at masculine things makes so little sense.

 

[Fek]

This whole thread really drives home how little women consider the responsibility inherent in authority or.."positive ownership," if you will. Men lead, and that means they take on every burden associated with that in the process. The fact that so many of you cannot see the burden of responsibility in a patriarchal society (yet still unconsciously know it's true, as you clearly still expect men to fix all your problems for you) should be all the proof anyone should require that it's the natural order of human life. You don't see the burden of duty in leadership because you're not fucking supposed to. That's for men to handle. You have some pretty fucking important roles in life, yourselves, but you've willingly shirked it all in favor of being something you are not (and can never be). The sheer..petulant arrogance of having a path to happiness laid out before you (on the backs of countless generations of your ancestors), thinking you're just too big-brained for it, and walking off into an never-ending field of thorns is quite something to behold.

Stay miserable and hung up on whatever childhood trauma set you on this path, tho. You do you.

 

[Bamanda]

Do you not see your contradiction here? Men and women make dynamics different, they act different. A man of equal qualifications to a women (imagining such a thing could exist) is still not equal. The risk of a 25 year old woman leaving the work force and forcing you to pay for her maternity leave is significantly higher than a man at 25. How do you account for women's mood shifts during periods or the drama they cause? Men are more functional than women even when equally qualified. And men are much less likely to lead to massive drama. Unless a guy has some major red flags, he is a better employee than a woman of equal qualification is, on every measurable level.

You are the poster child of the "I'm not a feminist, I just act like one" types. The majority of women fall into this category where they support equality, because they think it sounds fair and good. But that's not how reality works. Even at a simple base level adding more women to the work force devalues men's work by increasing the amount of workers available. This makes it so men's work doesn't stretch as far as it used to and limits what a family can do on his single income. This may force the wife (and should be mother) to work as well. Which then leaves the kids with two fathers and no mother. This is an unhealthy family dynamic and unhealthy for their community. The entire ideology from top to bottom has consequences for it's actions and no one wants to face up to those because it "feels good" to not think things through and support it. It's one of the most insidious things about feminism in our society, it's infested everything and even those who claim not to be still follow it's poisonous ideas and hurt each other because of it.

Edit : I forgot to mention the shaming language at the end trying to guilt men into defending feminists after many of us have had our entire lives of being the punching bag of feminist policies. Maybe you "normal women" should have fought back against mandatory anti-rape classes and all the abuse you were fine letting men suffer. Good men aren't worried about bad women and good women are smart enough not to end up in prison with a tranny.

Well I didn’t realise you were unironically sexist so forgive me for trying to appeal to your better nature.

I’m not trying to guilt anyone. If you’re a decent man who has women you love in your life you will protect them from your fellow males who are perverts because you can match them in both physical strength and in societal power. I’m a decent woman and I can fucking assure you if anyone tried to make men I know to be good men take a mandatory rape class I’d have plenty to say. Just as I did when arseholes started talking about 6pm curfews for men in my country after a particularly gruesome murder. Fortunately I don’t live in fucking American academia so that’s not gonna happen.

You’re being ridiculous. Yes you might hire a 25 year old woman who takes time out to have a baby. You might hire a 25 year old man who gets into a bar fight and does two years in jail. Humans need to procreate. Women shouldn’t have our lives defined by that (unless we want to) any more than men should.

Yeah women can be bitchy and cause drama. Men can be creeps and cause drama. Neither sex is above or below the other in that.

I have said several times that men and women can’t be equal in every circumstance because of biology. That doesn’t mean we can’t have work arounds. It doesn’t have to be the mother who stays home, a father can do an equally good job of that. It doesn’t have to be a father who earns enough money to keep the family, a woman is equally capable of having a well paid job.

I do t even know why I’m bothering with you. I wasn’t wrong when I said you sound close to trooning out yourself. You don’t think women are humans the same as you are. Lol

 

[Lord Xenu]

Ideologues are retarded.

 

[Mother puss bucket]

Well I didn’t realise you were unironically sexist so forgive me for trying to appeal to your better nature.

I’m not trying to guilt anyone. If you’re a decent man who has women you love in your life you will protect them from your fellow males who are perverts because you can match them in both physical strength and in societal power. I’m a decent woman and I can fucking assure you if anyone tried to make men I know to be good men take a mandatory rape class I’d have plenty to say. Just as I did when arseholes started talking about 6pm curfews for men in my country after a particularly gruesome murder. Fortunately I don’t live in fucking American academia so that’s not gonna happen.

You’re being ridiculous. Yes you might hire a 25 year old woman who takes time out to have a baby. You might hire a 25 year old man who gets into a bar fight and does two years in jail. Humans need to procreate. Women shouldn’t have our lives defined by that (unless we want to) any more than men should.

Yeah women can be bitchy and cause drama. Men can be creeps and cause drama. Neither sex is above or below the other in that.

I have said several times that men and women can’t be equal in every circumstance because of biology. That doesn’t mean we can’t have work arounds. It doesn’t have to be the mother who stays home, a father can do an equally good job of that. It doesn’t have to be a father who earns enough money to keep the family, a woman is equally capable of having a well paid job.

I do t even know why I’m bothering with you. I wasn’t wrong when I said you sound close to trooning out yourself. You don’t think women are humans the same as you are. Lol

I unironically love this post. It's the poster child for feminist shaming language and thinking they can brow beat men into doing their bidding. It's fantastic. You proved everyone's point here.

Women aren't the same as men, they're not the same humans are men are. They're different and deserve different treatment. Calculating risks is what sane people do when they make decisions. The risks associated with women are much higher than men, as is the work ethic and the way men response to things as opposed to women in a business setting. There are things women do better than men and there's things men do better than women. That's life and you need to accept it and come to terms with reality. You can't switch them around and expect the same results, since we're dramatically different creatures.

You're not a good woman, you're exactly the kind of bad women which deserve the troon predators they've created. Your first response to someone pointing out biological differences between men and women is to use feminist shaming language, which is exactly what the troons are now doing to you. You helped make the troon climate and learned nothing and expect men to solve the problem while you continue to abuse them. If women are equal to men you can use your stonk woman powers and fend off the trannies yourself. We'll be over here laughing at you while we look after women who have respect and love for men unlike you.

 

[Bamanda]

I unironically love this post. It's the poster child for feminist shaming language and thinking they can brow beat men into doing their bidding. It's fantastic. You proved everyone's point here.

Women aren't the same as men, they're not the same humans are men are. They're different and deserve different treatment. Calculating risks is what sane people do when they make decisions. The risks associated with women are much higher than men, as is the work ethic and the way men response to things as opposed to women in a business setting. There are things women do better than men and there's things men do better than women. That's life and you need to accept it and come to terms with reality. You can't switch them around and expect the same results, since we're dramatically different creatures.

You're not a good woman, you're exactly the kind of bad women which deserve the troon predators they've created. Your first response to someone pointing out biological differences between men and women is to use feminist shaming language, which is exactly what the troons are now doing to you. You helped make the troon climate and learned nothing and expect men to solve the problem while you continue to abuse them. If women are equal to men you can use your stonk woman powers and fend off the trannies yourself. We'll be over here laughing at you while we look after women who have respect and love for men unlike you.

Lmao what? I’m sure I’m not a good woman to the likes of you, but I’m a decent woman who would protect the men I love if I need to which is why I used the examples I did of when decent women can speak out against the rest of our sex when we feel they’re being unfair to men. You don’t want to do the same in return for the women in your life by protecting them from trannys when you can. None of what I said is “feminist language” it’s decent people language, for people who realise men and women can’t be equal in all areas but can use their respective strengths to help each other and make society better for us all.

Obviously that won’t ever appeal to you, because in your world women should remain in a state of dependence on our men for life because hormones make unsuitable to take part in anything outside the home. Righto mate.

 

[Mother puss bucket]

Lmao what? I’m sure I’m not a good woman to the likes of you, but I’m a decent woman who would protect the men I love if I need to which is why I used the examples I did of when decent women can speak out against the rest of our sex when we feel they’re being unfair to men. You don’t want to do the same in return for the women in your life by protecting them from trannys when you can. None of what I said is “feminist language” it’s decent people language, for people who realise men and women can’t be equal in all areas but can use their respective strengths to help each other and make society better for us all.

Obviously that won’t ever appeal to you, because in your world women should remain in a state of dependence on our men for life because hormones make unsuitable to take part in anything outside the home. Righto mate.

Because you believe a sickness is normal doesn't make it normal.

Women are dependent on men. You either accept this or don't but that doesn't change the reality of it. If you could take off your feminist glasses for a moment you might realize you're dependent on men to protect you from predators, which is what you're asking us to do. So if you're so independent, feel free to deal with the troons yourself. You can't have it both ways but it's fun laughing at your cognition dissidence.