The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
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The thing that’s fucked to me is Chauvin still restraining a corpse as the paramedics check it. It’s just... fuck man, what are you expecting him to do, get up and run away? They stayed on him after he was obviously a corpse. That’s severe negligence to me at least - the problem is if it’s negligence to the level of manslaughter or not. The cops fucked up, the question is if they fucked up enough to have contributed enough to a man dying to be legally liable for it.
This is my stance, there was a point where Floyd was entirely unresponsive and I believe Lane comments that he cannot find a pulse. At this point Chauvin should have transitioned to resuscitation rather than just idly waiting for the ambulance to arrive. The entire crowd was pointing this fact out yet Chauvin persisted in his positional hold on Floyd. To me he is guilty of negligent homicide along with the asian cop, Thao. Thao had been a part time, recently full time cop for about 7 years and Chauvin had been for 15. Lane and Kueng were on their first week of the job so I don't count them as having enough experience or confidence to override a senior officer like Chauvin. I find everything being done by the book until Floyd went unresponsive and I think that is a reasonable stance for most of society to take. Charges of Murder are totally out of line in my eyes.
 
One of my friends was once violently assaulted by a man who was A) supposed to have been heavily sedated, B) in restraints, C) behind several inches of hardened glass. He broke B and smashed through C to get at them, and tore multiple large chunks of flesh out of their body, down to the bone, in the twenty seconds it took multiple much larger and stronger men to wrestle him away from them. He did all that with his bare hands and fingernails.

Never underestimate what it takes to subdue a dangerous criminal or mentally unstable person. Even in absolutely perfect conditions that are supposed to guarantee your safety under all circumstances, a sufficiently psychotic or methed-up individual can go from perfectly passive and compliant to a handcuff-wrecking mini-hulk in the blink of an eye.
Retard strength, man. Fear retard strength.
 
This is my stance, there was a point where Floyd was entirely unresponsive and I believe Lane comments that he cannot find a pulse. At this point Chauvin should have transitioned to resuscitation rather than just idly waiting for the ambulance to arrive. The entire crowd was pointing this fact out yet Chauvin persisted in his positional hold on Floyd. To me he is guilty of negligent homicide along with the asian cop, Thao. Thao had been a part time, recently full time cop for about 7 years and Chauvin had been for 15. Lane and Kueng were on their first week of the job so I don't count them as having enough experience or confidence to override a senior officer like Chauvin. I find everything being done by the book until Floyd went unresponsive and I think that is a reasonable stance for most of society to take. Charges of Murder are totally out of line in my eyes.
Finally, a reasonable opinion that recognizes nuance.

Too bad BLM won’t see it that way. Any charge less than murder is gonna cause epic chimpouts.
 
Reminds me of that video where the BLM crowd decided to take their sorry asses down to redneck town usa, and they found out all the white MAGA hat wearing rednecks had everything from handguns to rifles and where waiting for them, they didn't do anything, didn't provoke them, they just stood on their lawns carrying their weapons looking at the march, police was there inbetween the protestors and the rednecks, nothing happened but you could see the BLM crowd dead silent as they walked calmly and orderly out of the area and even at the very end of it you could hear the BLM guys actually thanking the police officers because they knew if shit went down the only thing they could rely on was the policemen there

You mean this one?

That little 'thank you' at the end to the cops they were burning in effigy yesterday.
 
I really think the defense has to call Derek Chauvin himself, because really, the question here is what the fuck were you thinking?
IMHO he was probably thinking ‘noncompliant suspect, definitely drug-affected, creating drama and escalating the situation by drawing an increasingly hostile crowd. Restrain suspect in a manner that allows me to monitor crowd for hostile activity, and rapidly react in case of impending danger.”
The possibility must be considered that if Chauvin and his team were on pure suspect process and not crowd control as well, they may have been more focused on Floyd’s condition and needs, and this whole godawful situation may have been averted.
 
The thing that’s fucked to me is Chauvin still restraining a corpse as the paramedics check it. It’s just... fuck man, what are you expecting him to do, get up and run away? They stayed on him after he was obviously a corpse. That’s severe negligence to me at least - the problem is if it’s negligence to the level of manslaughter or not. The cops fucked up, the question is if they fucked up enough to have contributed enough to a man dying to be legally liable for it.
In law enforcement, we have something called "jailitis," in which the suspect fakes an overdose, seizure, or otherwise goes limp and unresponsive in order to either a) get you to opt out of arresting them and just sending them to the hospital or b) lower your guard so they can flee or attack you.

I'm not being hyperbolic when I say I've seen this on at least seven out of every ten arrests when I was policing the ghetto. It's a hoodrat's favorite trick in the book.

Sometimes you can use a pressure point or sternum rub to snap them out of it, but there are plenty of them that learned to resist those tactics.
 
Someone doesn't know about 4chan.
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This is my stance, there was a point where Floyd was entirely unresponsive and I believe Lane comments that he cannot find a pulse. At this point Chauvin should have transitioned to resuscitation rather than just idly waiting for the ambulance to arrive. The entire crowd was pointing this fact out yet Chauvin persisted in his positional hold on Floyd. To me he is guilty of negligent homicide along with the asian cop, Thao. Thao had been a part time, recently full time cop for about 7 years and Chauvin had been for 15. Lane and Kueng were on their first week of the job so I don't count them as having enough experience or confidence to override a senior officer like Chauvin. I find everything being done by the book until Floyd went unresponsive and I think that is a reasonable stance for most of society to take. Charges of Murder are totally out of line in my eyes.
I would say negligence and perhaps a lesser murder charge for that. If that maneuver was by the book, and it caused enough controversy, then have the rule be rewritten. Don't entirely blame the person just going by the book.
 
The thing that’s fucked to me is Chauvin still restraining a corpse as the paramedics check it. It’s just... fuck man, what are you expecting him to do, get up and run away? They stayed on him after he was obviously a corpse. That’s severe negligence to me at least - the problem is if it’s negligence to the level of manslaughter or not. The cops fucked up, the question is if they fucked up enough to have contributed enough to a man dying to be legally liable for it.
Exactly how does one be held liable for a drug overdose, like this?

I mean, he was freaking out just because he knew he was getting arrested. He was freaking out when they were trying to get him in the car. He was kind of freaking out as they were getting out of the car.

This shit is normal. What isn't is a guy in his autumn years being high off of meth and who knows what else.
 
Wait a sec, can you give more details? This reads more like a vampire story than a real account. How did he break restraints and smash through reinforced glass?

He just did. When it gets hit with sufficient amounts of adrenaline, or is sufficiently messed up chemically, the body can force itself to do things that would normally be impossible. It's like how every weightlifting crane tells you it can take a certain load, but that's actually just what the safe rating is, where the machine can operate without experiencing mechanical stress. The human body is exactly the same, and in some circumstances, the safety rating is disengaged. It's part of the reason why sleepwalking is so dangerous, because the brain isn't operating properly and many of those autonomic safety ratings aren't engaged. People can do themselves horrible, permanent injuries casually lifting things their pain thresholds would normally tell them not to even attempt, shearing muscles off bones in the process, all while their brains cheerfully slumber on. Or they find locked doors in their sleep and break through windows instead, dying of massive arterial bleeding from the cuts they sustain smashing and then clearing the glass with their bare hands. It's pretty amazing what won't wake somebody up when they're in such a state.

In this case it was a simple matter of a dangerous psychotic wigging out during an interview. Hospital thought he'd been heavily sedated and stuck him in a room in 'only' metal handcuffs and an sheet of inch-thick Plexiglas between him and a young, pretty intern. Then the Ocelot God started whispering to him, and religious fervor did the rest. Sadly I don't know exactly what damage he did to himself, but I'd imagine that ripping off the cuffs gave him pretty serious lacerations, and the trip through the glass didn't improve his complexion. But he held it together long enough to give my friend some pretty noteworthy scars and a persuasive argument as to why psychology probably wasn't the best career choice.
 
You mean this one?
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That little 'thank you' at the end to the cops they were burning in effigy yesterday.
I don't know anything about anything but what I do know is that neighborhood looks remarkably unlooted and unburned.

Which is why I wish my shithole of a country had the right to guns.
 
Regardless of how this case plays out it's gonna put a magnifying glass on every negative police interaction with blacks going forward, worse than even before. Even if they completely deserve to get shot or curb stomped ruffed up, it's always gonna be "Oh my gosh dey di'int deserve dat!"

I just don't understand how not holding people of crime accountable for their actions is a remedy for sYsTeMiC wAyCiSm. I remember there was this video a while back of some nibba robbing a store at gunpoint and the clerk pulled out a gun and scratched that itch inside his chest cavity and then his sister was on the news like "Yea he wuz robbin yall, OH WELL, you di'int have to shoot him!" And people were outraged but at the end of the day pointing a gun at someone who also has a gun is a very good way to get shot and I guess it's just me but if I did that and got shot I'd be like "Well I guess I had that coming."
 
He just did. When it gets hit with sufficient amounts of adrenaline, or is sufficiently messed up chemically, the body can force itself to do things that would normally be impossible. It's like how every weightlifting crane tells you it can take a certain load, but that's actually just what the safe rating is, where the machine can operate without experiencing mechanical stress. The human body is exactly the same, and in some circumstances, the safety rating is disengaged. It's part of the reason why sleepwalking is so dangerous, because the brain isn't operating properly and many of those autonomic safety ratings aren't engaged. People can do themselves horrible, permanent injuries casually lifting things their pain thresholds would normally tell them not to even attempt, shearing muscles off bones in the process, all while their brains cheerfully slumber on. Or they find locked doors in their sleep and break through windows instead, dying of massive arterial bleeding from the cuts they sustain smashing and then clearing the glass with their bare hands. It's pretty amazing what won't wake somebody up when they're in such a state.

In this case it was a simple matter of a dangerous psychotic wigging out during an interview. Hospital thought he'd been heavily sedated and stuck him in a room in 'only' metal handcuffs and an sheet of inch-thick Plexiglas between him and a young, pretty intern. Then the Ocelot God started whispering to him, and religious fervor did the rest. Sadly I don't know exactly what damage he did to himself, but I'd imagine that ripping off the cuffs gave him pretty serious lacerations, and the trip through the glass didn't improve his complexion. But he held it together long enough to give my friend some pretty noteworthy scars and a persuasive argument as to why psychology probably wasn't the best career choice.
Powerlevel. I live in a county with a state hospital(read: asylum), and the inmates there are people that were too crazy for prison. I'm talking less functional Hannibal Lector level crazy. Tard strength is a very real and dangerous thing. When your brain isn't firing correctly, the human body is capable of some amazing feats.
 
Regardless of how this case plays out it's gonna put a magnifying glass on every negative police interaction with blacks going forward, worse than even before. Even if they completely deserve to get shot or curb stomped ruffed up, it's always gonna be "Oh my gosh dey di'int deserve dat!"

I just don't understand how not holding people of crime accountable for their actions is a remedy for sYsTeMiC wAyCiSm. I remember there was this video a while back of some nibba robbing a store at gunpoint and the clerk pulled out a gun and scratched that itch inside his chest cavity and then his sister was on the news like "Yea he wuz robbin yall, OH WELL, you di'int have to shoot him!" And people were outraged but at the end of the day pointing a gun at someone who also has a gun is a very good way to get shot and I guess it's just me but if I did that and got shot I'd be like "Well I guess I had that coming."
Liberals see nignogs on the iq level of toddlers. They can do no wrong
 
He just did. When it gets hit with sufficient amounts of adrenaline, or is sufficiently messed up chemically, the body can force itself to do things that would normally be impossible. It's like how every weightlifting crane tells you it can take a certain load, but that's actually just what the safe rating is, where the machine can operate without experiencing mechanical stress. The human body is exactly the same, and in some circumstances, the safety rating is disengaged. It's part of the reason why sleepwalking is so dangerous, because the brain isn't operating properly and many of those autonomic safety ratings aren't engaged. People can do themselves horrible, permanent injuries casually lifting things their pain thresholds would normally tell them not to even attempt, shearing muscles off bones in the process, all while their brains cheerfully slumber on. Or they find locked doors in their sleep and break through windows instead, dying of massive arterial bleeding from the cuts they sustain smashing and then clearing the glass with their bare hands. It's pretty amazing what won't wake somebody up when they're in such a state.

In this case it was a simple matter of a dangerous psychotic wigging out during an interview. Hospital thought he'd been heavily sedated and stuck him in a room in 'only' metal handcuffs and an sheet of inch-thick Plexiglas between him and a young, pretty intern. Then the Ocelot God started whispering to him, and religious fervor did the rest. Sadly I don't know exactly what damage he did to himself, but I'd imagine that ripping off the cuffs gave him pretty serious lacerations, and the trip through the glass didn't improve his complexion. But he held it together long enough to give my friend some pretty noteworthy scars and a persuasive argument as to why psychology probably wasn't the best career choice.
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When I read that he ripped off the cuffs I immediately thought of this scene from Gerald's Game. That's what I imagine whenever anyone says someone ripped their cuffs off. Straight up degloving.

Warning, don't watch if flaying bothers you, this shit almost made me faint the first time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QuDSh-TtvI
 
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