The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
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I used to mess with the Manhattan ADAs and NYPD crime scene guys and ask "Wait this is your office? It doesn't look like the one on Law&Order" or "You mean you don't have a state of the art lab like on CSI?" and the look on the faces said it all, like they really hated how TV made them out to be, and sometimes said so.

City employees, for the most part, don't benefit from the massive budgets their departments get but they're expected to live up to the public's perception of them. The majority are overworked and underpaid, and get blamed when anything goes wrong. Expert witnesses, witness prep and jury consultants cost money and most departments don't budget for that. Big cases like this one will sometimes get money thrown at them but it all depends on various factors and none of them have to do with the merits of the case.

One thing I heard is that when police budgets are cut, it's never a cut in hours for Herr Officer Krautmann, it's always like "Whelp, guess these rape kits are going on the shelf for the next 10 years!"
 
The knee did matter to some degree because Chauvin was still restraining Floyd that way after he was unresponsive. The paramedic testimony yesterday said that he was deceased when they got to him, yet Chauvin was still on his neck.

How can you assume I’m wrong when we haven’t heard the rest of the case? There could be a witness coming up who turns the case on its head, you sound far more set in your opinion than I do, we aren’t even half way through the trial yet. I’m not saying ‘he’s guilty’ because they haven’t proved that beyond a reasonable doubt yet that’s what I’m trying to say, but that doesn’t mean that a defence or prosecution witness isn’t going to put aside any doubt. If he gets found not guilty then he’s innocent and I respect the jurors for their decision. I’m not one of those who’s going to be outraged and protesting if he doesn’t get convicted. It’s up to the jury. Just like most of the world thought Casey Anthony was guilty but it turned out they hadn’t proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
I only talked about what was testified to in court yesterday, and how I found those things interesting. I’ll wait until after closing arguments to settle on an opinion.

Just like you can’t be sure that a witness will suddenly refuse to testify or admit to something on the stand that flips the table. Like Chauvin could decide to testify at the last minute and do a really bad job, or he could do an excellent job and satisfy jurors that he is innocent.
Why does the knee matter if it didn't actually lead to his death? It matters as much if he took his shoes off. This is the same argument people have for why police handcuff someone who seems unconscious. Mr. MMA Dipshit even confirmed it on the stand: even when being unconscious, in fights he would jump right back up and continue fighting. And that's considering someone not high out of their mind on drugs.
All the people calling this shit like they know is just like 9/11 when people were saying, according to the movies they watched, the buildings "fell wrong."
 
it's almost too perfect. I'm starting to believe the theory that the media only focuses on cases that are up in the air like this to generate even more clicks.

There are plenty of horseshit police shootings out there (like the "Simon Says" guy from a few years back) but it is hard to mobilize people to break stuff if everyone is in agreement about something. There has to be just enough of a shade of grey to twist things around and piss everyone off.

Everytime a building in Minneapolis was set on fire last summer, a fat-cat insurance adjuster looked up the fine print about civil unrest and rejected the insurance claim right before ingesting more adrenochrome.

This shit would be funny if it was happening in an evil country like China.
 
That’s what I was saying, man, this lowly fuck with his big fucking lips, (looks like a fucking duck) is an actual deity to these idiots. He is their Jesus.
Watching people pretend this dude doesn't look hilariously retarded is the best part of this. All the drawings and paintings of him are based off that one shitty cell phone selfie cause every single other photo of him looks so ridiculous.
 
does it even matter what kind of person GF was? I don't understand why everyone is wasting time arguing about it (I mean, I understand they try to appeal to emotions, but why is nobody stopping them?)
Ok maybe he was a junkie criminal, it's still not right to kill him, ASSUMING he was even killed. Thats some Yagami Light logic.
Maybe he was a gentle giant who danced in stores and took dad selfies, how is that relevant ?

If we lived in normal world, all this time would have been spent determining how much cop actually contributed to his death, and how intentional it was.
But what do I know, I'm just a normie.
 
does it even matter what kind of person GF was? I don't understand why everyone is wasting time arguing about it (I mean, I understand they try to appeal to emotions, but why is nobody stopping them?)
Ok maybe he was a junky criminal, it's still not right to kill him, ASSUMING he was even killed. Thats some Yagami Light logic.
Maybe he was a gentle giant who danced in stores and took dad selfies, how is that relevant ?

If we lived in normal world, all this time would have been spent determining how much cop actually contributed to his death, and how intentional it was.
But what do I know, I'm just a normie.
From what we see so far, as well as HARD EVEDINCE, he died due to a simple OD, but the Media wants to make it look like the cops killed him.
What the GF provided as well as the new footage, basically shows that he was a hardcore junkie, and this isn't his first rodeo with OD and being beyond uncooperative with cops.
 
Watching people pretend this dude doesn't look hilariously retarded is the best part of this. All the drawings and paintings of him are based off that one shitty cell phone selfie cause every single other photo of him looks so ridiculous.
/pol/ couldn't make up a more niggerish stereotype of a thug.
 
IIRC the jury is insulated from all and any media outside of the court room. They have no internet or TV news media access, they're literally in a hotel for the entire duration of the trial.
I think the judge mentioned that they would be going home to their families after court on day 1 when he was reading them their instructions, but they were explicitly told to avoid media coverage of the trial and not to discuss it with anyone except their immediate family (going by some of their jury profiles, I would be surprised if many of them keep to this)

Also, this isn't the first time a jury has had media attempt to expose them in a high-profile court case. I hate to keep bringing up the Casey Anthony trial, but that one was also very big, and had a lot of angry normies paying attention to it and happened in the Internet age.

This article was published a month before the verdict was delivered.

For Zimmerman's trial, this article was published a few weeks before the verdict.

And I'm sure there's plenty of other juries who received similar treatment. It's hard to find articles like this on O.J.'s trial that was published at the time due to most news being delivered by TV or paper, but it probably happened there too. I think if journos publishing information about jurors while still keeping them anonymous is considered "jury tampering/intimidation," it would have been addressed at the very least within the last 10 years, so it's really kinda dumb to keep seeing people in the thread pop in just to clutch their pearls and shriek "The media is doxxxing jurors! This is illegal!" The media's also pretty aware that if they publish any real juror info, it could very quickly lead to a mistrial and that's why they don't publish the jurors' actual personal information, just general profiles of the people on the jury.

Stacey Castor is one of my favorite interrogations just because of how comical that line was, like right out of a cartoon

Thank you for the articles, my friend, but in the future could you please use archived sites, rather than the live versions? I very much do not want to fuel the pockets of the mainstream media.
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Stacey had poisoned two of her husbands with antifreeze and during the court trial, she is asked to recreate what happened, and I shit you not, she says "I poured him a glass of antifreeeee I froze up. You can see it on youtube.
"I didn't poison my husband."
"Please run us through the events that led up to your husband's death, just for the record."
"Well, first I poured my husband a big glaas of poisohshit..."
 
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does it even matter what kind of person GF was? I don't understand why everyone is wasting time arguing about it (I mean, I understand they try to appeal to emotions, but why is nobody stopping them?)
Ok maybe he was a junkie criminal, it's still not right to kill him, ASSUMING he was even killed. Thats some Yagami Light logic.
Maybe he was a gentle giant who danced in stores and took dad selfies, how is that relevant ?

If we lived in normal world, all this time would have been spent determining how much cop actually contributed to his death, and how intentional it was.
But what do I know, I'm just a normie.
Didnt realize fentanyl overdose was a cops fault.
 
Watching people pretend this dude doesn't look hilariously retarded is the best part of this. All the drawings and paintings of him are based off that one shitty cell phone selfie cause every single other photo of him looks so ridiculous.
He looks so fucking retarded, it’s so goddamn funny man. I adore the adoration and blind faith to all father Floyd.
 
does it even matter what kind of person GF was? I don't understand why everyone is wasting time arguing about it (I mean, I understand they try to appeal to emotions, but why is nobody stopping them?)
Ok maybe he was a junkie criminal, it's still not right to kill him, ASSUMING he was even killed. Thats some Yagami Light logic.
Maybe he was a gentle giant who danced in stores and took dad selfies, how is that relevant ?

If we lived in normal world, all this time would have been spent determining how much cop actually contributed to his death, and how intentional it was.
But what do I know, I'm just a normie.

My understanding is that it's significant because he was well known to the cops at the time as someone they needed to be very careful around because he's dangerous, he'd fight and probably had meth-induced Hulk strength. I don't know much about police procedure but I do know they approach you much differently if you are flagged as a dangerous offender, it's a little more understandable why he might've been scared to let him up.
 
Idk if we talked about this in the thread yet but I don't remember seeing it. What's your take on if Chauvin is actually gonna take the stand and say anything? Would it help his case, hurt it, be pointless, etc.
 
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