Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I have a feeling like the reason Eren loved Mikasa was that Isayama like some of his ideas were gained from the anime (such as how Eren's character arc changed upon hearing his voice in the anime) since the anime's director (when the anime was back in WIT's control) was a very major shipper of Eren x Mikasa and has often been made fun of by the fandom due to how IIRC he gave more emphasis on Mikasa in the anime.

I think I remember something similar happening in Naruto where there was a hardcore Naruto/Sakura shipper working in the anime, which is why so much of the filler stuff had so much shipping fodder for them.

 

[stuffandthings]

So sad that none of the thread regulars got AOT anime avatars for today. I've seen a few lucky bastards that didn't get saddled with catgirls and loli.

 

[JongleJingle]

Some funnys until the inevitable assblasting that is 139:

Oh, and some feels to go with;

I miss Sasha QQ

 

[Bender]

When's the final chapter coming out?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I can't help but feel like thread regulars here take memes and somehow transmogrify them into criticisms meant to be taken seriously. The Azumabitos are more Jewish than the Eldians could ever be, and Eren decided to commit omnicide because his future vision said so and nobody was convincing him that they had better options with the time and resources they had-- or that there could be any other outcome. He literally says so, and you'd have a better time arguing that he's committing Ragnarök because he honest-to-God hated the fact that humans were outside the walls at all. Also, Mikasa had the power to Yoko Ono all her friends and country if she told Eren point blank that she's been snapping Titan necks for five years straight because she wants to do the horizontal tango with him and she can't do that with a dead Eren.

It is, however, funny to talk about how the Eldians are magic Jews and how Eren committed omnicide because of a stock romcom routine happening in the worst possible context/virgin rage. Extremely so.

Also, I made a mistake and chugged 75% of an energy drink for a workout, so I practically didn't sleep last night and ended up rereading most of the last two arcs, which managed to help me better understand the "Cringevengers'" (apparently that term wasn't coined here) individual motivations (whereas before I thought it was wholly "genocide is a bad" and "we need a credible antagonist for this arc but every candidate is either ineffectual or has no immediate reason for why they would be one". That, and I realized that there was active AnnieXArmin teasing that Mikasa picked up on, and I find more plausible the idea that Eren is the father.

Also also, anime talk: can I just say that I didn't like the music placement and composition for this season nearly as much as the other seasons? It's objectively fine (I liked the use of the building action for Two-Lives during the climax of the Declaration of War scene), but the difference in music direction is already obvious and good riffs are overused without thematic purpose. The final scene for this season part, I feel, could have only had Ashes on the Fire playing, but there, the issue is less the music choice and more the fact that the scene has to be dragged out because there's no good stopping point beyond the reveal of Marley's emergency rescue troops.

The biggest "what" I had was Round 3 of Levi vs Zeke where they just use the whole version of K21. I have no problem with them using K21... except that the lyrics are clearly about Kenny the Ripper-- the song was made for him so i guess I do have a problem with the choice. There's an instrumental version they could have used instead, and they could have even just dropped everything except the chorus-- either of those things would have substantially better than being reminded of Kenny for no narrative reason. I have no idea why people who were clamoring about how YOUSEEBIGGIRL wasn't used in the Declaration of War scene just did not bat an eye at something this glaring.

Spoiler: lol i didn't post this before

Yes, the Romans destroyed Carthage's ability to fight.

They didn't "destroy Carthage's ability to fight", they fucking razed Carthage the third time they went there.

But honestly, there's nothing that represents Marley's hatred towards Eldia and its constant torture but fucking brain parasites.

How do you think genocides happen at all?

It'd be piss easy for them to infiltrate and understand what links the world together.

With what time, and what options? By the time Marley wrapped up its four year war, they were already ready to declare total war on Paradis. Paradis spent at least half of that time just trying to figure out Marley was, talk less the rest of the world, and they were significantly behind because they didn't even understand the concept of geopolitics.

Again, if it is this super racsim that links them all together, then that is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Racial hatred linking an entire fucking world of independent nation states with their own ideologies? It is incredibly stupid.

The concept of alliances aside, it's made clear that there's value in hating the island Eldians alongside Marley because it means that you can escape from being at the absolute bottom of the global social totem pole.

There is no justification for genocide.

...except for the justifications everyone gives for genocide.

It may have been missed, but I don't exactly like the idea of mass killing mostly innocents, and it's not as though this is a perfect final solution because while the breeder plan could have fallen apart if the royalty decided to swipe the power of the Founder, this plan would have still meant that Eldia had to deal with itself, and the last time they had to deal with themselves, they ended up generating a civil war.

Also of note is that there are a total of five courses of action to save the Eldians proposed up until the Rumbling:
1) Maintain a succession of the Founder while making Shifters out of the royal lineage to maintain the power of the Rumbling as a deterrent
2) Castrate and spay every Eldian while doing 1) for a much more finite period of time, i.e. until the last Eldian dies
3) Kill the island Eldians to "prove" you're one of the good ones
4) Generic overthrow of Marley
5) Use the Rumbling to commit omnicide outside Paradis

Yelena's in it to be a part of history, but she argues that there's no such thing as a perfect final solution when discussing the euthanasia plan with the SC, and I think that's the point-- I can totally understand why Eren decided to commit omnicide given the circumstances, but I'm not going to say that he was in the right (and neither is he). The euthanasia plan would spare the most people, but it would harm Eldians the most between not being able to have children and eventually being reduced to an ailing generation of old geezers. Pieck's idea of overthrowing Marley is about as poorly fleshed out as Gabi's plan to do what Marley says until they magically like Eldians, but she doesn't even make any steps towards it or anything. And nobody in the SC, especially Eren, liked the prospect of making breeders out of Historia's entire family line.

And it wasn't entirely that they were trying to resolve problems at their doorstep (i.e. the present Eldian-Marleyan conflict) but more than that, it was several people trying to be the hero that saves the world and ends the cycle of hatred in the way they can best conceive.

To that end, Eren's heroism was effacing from remembrance the past and the animus of the world against Paradis in the Rumbling. Magath and Reiner's heroism was becoming the new Helos and stopping the Rumbling. Armin and the SC's heroism was avoiding violence as much as possible in the pursuit of peace through humanization and diplomacy. Zeke's heroism was snatching away every Eldian's testicles. Some people have less thought out plans: Gabi thinks she can move hearts by playing "one of the good ones" despite her total disposability being guaranteed once the world develops tech to overcome the Titans. Pieck talks about overthrowing Marley even though she doesn't really have any means of maneuvering that from her position.

 

[Secret Asshole]

When's the final chapter coming out?

April 9th

 

[The Great Chandler]

Even Tumblr, with all their SJW politics, agree that AoT is shit:

https://therealbrigeedarocks.tumblr.com/post/646870298104348672

 

[Secret Asshole]

I can't help but feel like thread regulars here take memes and somehow transmogrify them into criticisms meant to be taken seriously. The Azumabitos are more Jewish than the Eldians could ever be, and Eren decided to commit omnicide because his future vision said so and nobody was convincing him that they had better options with the time and resources they had-- or that there could be any other outcome. He literally says so, and you'd have a better time arguing that he's committing Ragnarök because he honest-to-God hated the fact that humans were outside the walls at all. Also, Mikasa had the power to Yoko Ono all her friends and country if she told Eren point blank that she's been snapping Titan necks for five years straight because she wants to do the horizontal tango with him and she can't do that with a dead Eren.

It is, however, funny to talk about how the Eldians are magic Jews and how Eren committed omnicide because of a stock romcom routine happening in the worst possible context/virgin rage. Extremely so.

Also, I made a mistake and chugged 75% of an energy drink for a workout, so I practically didn't sleep last night and ended up rereading most of the last two arcs, which managed to help me better understand the "Cringevengers'" (apparently that term wasn't coined here) individual motivations (whereas before I thought it was wholly "genocide is a bad" and "we need a credible antagonist for this arc but every candidate is either ineffectual or has no immediate reason for why they would be one". That, and I realized that there was active AnnieXArmin teasing that Mikasa picked up on, and I find more plausible the idea that Eren is the father.

Also also, anime talk: can I just say that I didn't like the music placement and composition for this season nearly as much as the other seasons? It's objectively fine (I liked the use of the building action for Two-Lives during the climax of the Declaration of War scene), but the difference in music direction is already obvious and good riffs are overused without thematic purpose. The final scene for this season part, I feel, could have only had Ashes on the Fire playing, but there, the issue is less the music choice and more the fact that the scene has to be dragged out because there's no good stopping point beyond the reveal of Marley's emergency rescue troops.

The biggest "what" I had was Round 3 of Levi vs Zeke where they just use the whole version of K21. I have no problem with them using K21... except that the lyrics are clearly about Kenny the Ripper-- the song was made for him so i guess I do have a problem with the choice. There's an instrumental version they could have used instead, and they could have even just dropped everything except the chorus-- either of those things would have substantially better than being reminded of Kenny for no narrative reason. I have no idea why people who were clamoring about how YOUSEEBIGGIRL wasn't used in the Declaration of War scene just did not bat an eye at something this glaring.

Spoiler: lol i didn't post this before

They didn't "destroy Carthage's ability to fight", they fucking razed Carthage the third time they went there.


How do you think genocides happen at all?


With what time, and what options? By the time Marley wrapped up its four year war, they were already ready to declare total war on Paradis. Paradis spent at least half of that time just trying to figure out Marley was, talk less the rest of the world, and they were significantly behind because they didn't even understand the concept of geopolitics.


The concept of alliances aside, it's made clear that there's value in hating the island Eldians alongside Marley because it means that you can escape from being at the absolute bottom of the global social totem pole.


...except for the justifications everyone gives for genocide.

It may have been missed, but I don't exactly like the idea of mass killing mostly innocents, and it's not as though this is a perfect final solution because while the breeder plan could have fallen apart if the royalty decided to swipe the power of the Founder, this plan would have still meant that Eldia had to deal with itself, and the last time they had to deal with themselves, they ended up generating a civil war.

Also of note is that there are a total of five courses of action to save the Eldians proposed up until the Rumbling:
1) Maintain a succession of the Founder while making Shifters out of the royal lineage to maintain the power of the Rumbling as a deterrent
2) Castrate and spay every Eldian while doing 1) for a much more finite period of time, i.e. until the last Eldian dies
3) Kill the island Eldians to "prove" you're one of the good ones
4) Generic overthrow of Marley
5) Use the Rumbling to commit omnicide outside Paradis

Yelena's in it to be a part of history, but she argues that there's no such thing as a perfect final solution when discussing the euthanasia plan with the SC, and I think that's the point-- I can totally understand why Eren decided to commit omnicide given the circumstances, but I'm not going to say that he was in the right (and neither is he). The euthanasia plan would spare the most people, but it would harm Eldians the most between not being able to have children and eventually being reduced to an ailing generation of old geezers. Pieck's idea of overthrowing Marley is about as poorly fleshed out as Gabi's plan to do what Marley says until they magically like Eldians, but she doesn't even make any steps towards it or anything. And nobody in the SC, especially Eren, liked the prospect of making breeders out of Historia's entire family line.

And it wasn't entirely that they were trying to resolve problems at their doorstep (i.e. the present Eldian-Marleyan conflict) but more than that, it was several people trying to be the hero that saves the world and ends the cycle of hatred in the way they can best conceive.

To that end, Eren's heroism was effacing from remembrance the past and the animus of the world against Paradis in the Rumbling. Magath and Reiner's heroism was becoming the new Helos and stopping the Rumbling. Armin and the SC's heroism was avoiding violence as much as possible in the pursuit of peace through humanization and diplomacy. Zeke's heroism was snatching away every Eldian's testicles. Some people have less thought out plans: Gabi thinks she can move hearts by playing "one of the good ones" despite her total disposability being guaranteed once the world develops tech to overcome the Titans. Pieck talks about overthrowing Marley even though she doesn't really have any means of maneuvering that from her position.

Because Eren is the most super trust worthy narrator in the world, right? We take it on his word of a future we never get to see or experience. He never says why it is the only way. He never elaborates why nothing else will work, only that this one will work. We're never told at all why. Eren has access to causality and this is his best plan. Its fucking idiotic. The best part is no one else offers him any other alternative, which is doubly fucking retarded.

...And for all your touting about the author's right, the author is specifically say exactly that through Mikasa. Another thoroughly unreliable narrator. And I'm going to laugh at you if Ymir decides to make that dream come true and no rumbling ever occurs, then its 100% proof positive Eren did the rumbling because he didn't get his dick wet.

You do realize that the Romans didn't destroy the entirety of Carthage itself, right? And the big bad Hannibal lived a long time after Carthage was raised? What Rome did is what literally everyone in this thread is suggesting, destroy their ability to fight and its over. You don't HAVE to genocide them. Not to mention ROFLSTOMPING a single city (Carthage) and the ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET are two different things entirely.

Trying to justify genocide is hilarious. Its never a justifiable course of action and certainly not the entire fucking world. Maybe figure out how to manipulate space time, because Armin can summon the fucking dead to fight you, maybe you can do something a little bit more imaginative than "Kill everyones lol"

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Even Tumblr, with all their SJW politics, agree that AoT is shit:

https://therealbrigeedarocks.tumblr.com/post/646870298104348672

Swaths of them already came to hate it because they were stupid enough to believe that a story that actually puts faces and moral diversity on the eventual victims of omnicide had a subtext favorable to fascism. You might as well discuss the moral shortcomings of the Jewish community with Mein Kampf.

Because Eren is the most super trust worthy narrator in the world, right? We take it on his word of a future we never get to see or experience. He never says why it is the only way. He never elaborates why nothing else will work, only that this one will work.

His conclusion upon seeing that future is that, necessarily, nothing else worked. The final chapter is due for release in a week, and there's no contradictory evidence that he saw anything other than what he says he did in his internal monologues.

Eren has access to causality and this is his best plan.

He has access to memory transmission between Attack Titan shifters, no knowledge of their contexts beyond what can be gleaned from their surroundings, and no knowledge of this ability until Zeke headbutts him in P A T H S. That is the extent of his time transcendence. You may as well ask why Zeke didn't come up with the idea to do literally anything aside from seizing the means of reproduction from every Eldian and ensuring that their community would wither and die in a meandering existence with no way to procreate.

That aside, I also mention that the immediate salvation of Eldians isn't the only thing on the plate-- there's also the definitive solution (a "final solution", if you will) to the cycle of hatred that they've all been broken on. Their proposals are heavily mired in their own personality and experiences. Eren's always yearned for freedom, and he kept finding out that he wasn't free at all-- first, when he learned of the outside world from Armin, then when the Titans broke into the Walls, and then when they got to the basement. He ends up finding out, finally, that the whole world wants them dead (and for good reason, no less, seeing as they can turn into giant rampaging monsters at the drop of a hat despite looking human at first glance)-- his final solution, between his (however potentially imperfect) conclusion from his future vision that nothing the SC could come up with was going to allow them to avoid using the Rumbling without sacrificing Historia and her entire bloodline OR just submitting to annihilation, and the knowledge that even the Ymir Fritz with all her power was a slave who was consumed by her descendants who were then consumed by theirs over centuries (not unlike what was proposed for Historia), is to erase that whole world, and inter that hatred and fear with their bones.

On the other hand, because he lived his childhood being raised as a tool by a radical whose pride in him was wholly contingent on whether he could carry out his mission, Zeke hated his life so much that he wished he was never born, and then met someone who felt the same way and was willing to be what Grisha didn't think to be for him: a father. His final solution, as to carry out the will of him and his "father" is to genocide Eldians through taking away their ability to reproduce (you know... as opposed to genociding the rest of the world). Even Gabi has a proposal, as naive as it is, possibly because of how young she is: slaughter the island Eldians to prove that they're the "good ones".

I won't regail you with the imperfections of all of their proposals (since I already did), but suffice to say that's the whole point, and Yelena points out that there is no perfect solution. These are just the solutions that they came up with, and the reason why they all end with genocide is because of the enormity of the issue they seek to combat.

...And for all your touting about the author's right, the author is specifically say exactly that through Mikasa. Another thoroughly unreliable narrator.

The narrative details an alternate timeline (I pivoted back to it being an alt-timeline because Mikasa saw what Eren's face looked like well before she entered his final form's mouth) where Eren "abandons everything" with Mikasa likely because her deviating from Eren's future vision granted him the sense of freedom he wouldn't have had otherwise, accordingly breaking his already tenuous will to commit omnicide.

It just happens that the surface level of all of that is whether Mikasa'll get cold feet confessing to Eren.

You do realize that the Romans didn't destroy the entirety of Carthage itself, right?

Probably not for a lack of trying, given that "Carthago delenda est" is regarded as possibly the first recorded incitement to genocide.

What Rome did is what literally everyone in this thread is suggesting, destroy their ability to fight and its over.

For how long? As long as fear of the Titans rightfully exists, the rest of the world won't ever welcome Eldians. Even if Eren made like Sylvester McMonkey McBean and took away the Eldian's ability to become a Titan, it wouldn't remove the animus because the oppression of the Eldian at its lowest level is revenge for the oppression the Eldians of times past dealt upon the world. How many times will they have to stomp out the military might of the other nations? How many people will they have to kill over that unbounded time period, whether you consider it intended or collateral? How long will they be able to do so effectively, before the rest of the world adapts? How often will they have to do it?

I don't bring up those questions in full-throated defense of Eren's idea, but I do bring them up to expose the imperfection in your own proposal. Depending on how all of that would play out, you'd quite possibly be killing more people than you would have in the omnicide.

For as long as they prove useful in warfare, they'll continue to be used as fodder, and at the point that they stop being useful, they'll only be able to serve as a liability (because, you know, they can turn into rampaging monsters at a drop of a hat for all they know). They could never let go of the enormous power of the Rumbling because of its use as a deterrent, and they'd have to subject an entire bloodline into eating their parents and then being eaten by their children before they expire thirteen years later.

That segues into the general issue that principally Eren and Zeke are looking to solve, the aforementioned cycle of hatred.

Not to mention ROFLSTOMPING a single city (Carthage) and the ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET are two different things entirely.

The differentiating factor is the number of people given that Paradis had war declared on them by the entire rest of the world, and the entire rest of the world was prepared to genocide them in six months.

Trying to justify genocide is hilarious.

While my "cycle of hatred" discussion is a recent development, I don't think I've ever tried to make morally right the concept of genocide. All I have said is that it's understandable why someone like Eren, in his particular circumstances, would opt for that option (and how initially reluctant he was!). It's also completely understandable why Zeke went in the inverse direction and decided to make Eldia the sacrifice for that freedom. They're not morally defensible, not just because of the moral import of such a mass killing, but also because they're not complete solutions (because I didn't detail Eren's imperfection before: the omnicide doesn't prevent conflict within Paradis, and doesn't prevent it in the future, should humanity spread out more).

 

[The Great Chandler]

I think that's the other problem, everything in the series is ridiculously convoluted, especially with magic nonsense like PATHs. Even if there's some coherence in the plot, you'd still come across as a schizophrenic madman for even bothering to explain it. Who cares if their motives are understandable or not? Nothing here actually makes sense! It's the definition of grimderp!

 

[Secret Asshole]

The point is what is Eren's definition of 'not working'? Eren's first answer (well, pretty much his only answer) has been violence. We still don't know what his real goals are except to keep fighting. Does he want Paradis on top? Does he want them to stop being a concentration camp? Does he want the old Eldian Empire back? WHO THE FUCK KNOWS! We don't, because we're never told.

All we know is that the entire world are hysterical caricatures that don't behave like normal people.

Zeke was a self-hating Eldian who wanted King Cuck's plan to fuck off and just have them fade into the sunset.

And I mean, PATHS is whatever Isayama wants it to be. Nothing about it makes any fucking sense, and its inclusion breaks the fucking story. Armin summons DEAD PEOPLE WITH IT. He no fucking joke, FF7 summons the dead from out of fucking time. Zeke can sterilize an entire peoples. You're telling me, with all of these abilities and possibilities, Eren's ONLY SOLUTION, THE ONLY ONE, FROM A POWER THAT CAN REVIVE THE DEAD, SEE ALL OF CAUSALITY, AND HAS LITERAL GOD ON THEIR SIDE, the only solution is just to ROFLSTOMP people? That's it? That's the ONE THING? Get fucked, seriously.

Its like a shittier version of Infinity War where Eren is both Dr. Strange and Thanos at the same time, where Dr. Strange only sees one way to win and Thanos' goal was to murder everyone. Actually, Eren makes Thanos seem logical, because Eren wants to murder the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD to save ONE ISLAND. He literally cannot figure out any plan to save a single island than to KILL EVERYONE. Think about how stupid and absurd this is. Its like why everyone hated Britain but couldn't kill them. That water separation is a big deal. Its the same reason why Taiwan isn't Chinese territory right now. And both are a LOT closer to the mainland than Paradis is. You're telling me, you can't defend a singular island without killing the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD? That's absurdity, stupidity and retardation. Its awful fucking writing. All Eren would have to do was secure the coastline and build it into a fucking fortress. Just start making colossal titans (Because that's another founder power) and turn the entire fucking coast of the world into Mt. Everest with thousands of Colossal Titans. Never mind destroying the world, what, are they going to airlift their fucking boats over the GIGANTIC mountain range you put in their way? Do you see how the power of fucking GOD makes countless solutions viable? And what, you're telling me they're constantly going to be pre-occupied with a shitty little island that hasn't mattered in 200 years? The world has brain parasites is the only explanation for this.

And you'd need to destroy their ability to fight one time. The idea that a world would unite after losing all their military power and resources in a scramble to retain their own regional power is again, a joke. And only works if you believe the world is infected by racist brain parasites. A century after Carthage was destroyed, it was rebuilt by the Romans and became the breadbasket of the Empire. So you literally need to destroy their fighting capability one time and that's that.

Blow up every nation's capital and you shatter the fucking world. People are going to be too busy holding on to what they have than going after you. And its going to take a really long time if they ever get revenge. Paradis is one island, if you completely fuck up the world order, you'll be fucking Atlantis by the time they get their air ships up and running again.

The whole thing is just so fucking stupid, terribly written and nonsensical it blows my fucking mind. England held off the entirety of Europe and the greatest military power of the 20th century, not fucking Zepplins and barrel bombs, and you're telling me that Paradis can't ever defend itself without killing the Earth? Right, ok.

 

[Sanshain]

Do you see how the power of fucking GOD makes countless solutions viable?

Small point I thought I'd make; to me, a central theme of AoT is that there's no such thing as an easy victory, and that every advantage you might have will inevitably come with a cost. While I agree that things ought to be explained more, I think it's actually quite reasonable and sensible that the characters don't instantly reach out and try to utilize all the power they might have at their fingertips, since the consequences of every new power they've obtained so far has been universally negative. They've basically been conditioned via repeated negative stimuli to always assume the worst of everything, no matter what.

In a way it reminds me of the Walking Dead, where the biggest enemy was never the zombies, but people constantly starting fights and squabbles between each other over ultimately petty reasons. I can buy that after years of living under very similar circumstances, seeing the absolute inability of ruling classes to meaningfully provide stability and an end to the cycle of hate, people like Eren have just gone into full fuck this gay earth mode and no longer have the capacity to really care about providing an optimal solution.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Small point I thought I'd make; to me, a central theme of AoT is that there's no such thing as an easy victory, and that every advantage you might have will inevitably come with a cost. While I agree that things ought to be explained more, I think it's actually quite reasonable and sensible that the characters don't instantly reach out and try to utilize all the power they might have at their fingertips, since the consequences of every new power they've obtained so far has been universally negative. They've basically been conditioned via repeated negative stimuli to always assume the worst of everything, no matter what.

In a way it reminds me of the Walking Dead, where the biggest enemy was never the zombies, but people constantly starting fights and squabbles between each other over ultimately petty reasons. I can buy that after years of living under very similar circumstances, seeing the absolute inability of ruling classes to meaningfully provide stability and an end to the cycle of hate, people like Eren have just gone into full fuck this gay earth mode and no longer have the capacity to really care about providing an optimal solution.

Then you know, don't make the main character become the fucking God of Causality and have access to powers you yourself can't even decide upon.

Its been failure of the author constantly, over and over. There was a way to make Eren go full genocide where it makes sense where he just ends up fucking insane. But he doesn't bother going that route. He wants to do his nationalistic fanfic, then gets bored of it and goes Game of Thrones. His writing is nonsensical and nothing follows. There's nothing coherent about this plot and its a fucking mercy now that its ending.

I think many people here have dissected where the current plot is and how it could get there decently, but the problem is nothing is planned with Isayama. And that's a fucking terrible trait if you're writing a long-term story and not just episodic series.

 

[Sanshain]

I think many people here have dissected where the current plot is and how it could get there decently, but the problem is nothing is planned with Isayama. And that's a fucking terrible trait if you're writing a long-term story and not just episodic series.

Eh, I can forgive him a lot. It's pretty obvious he had no intention of making the series anywhere near this long and was caught completely by surprise when it got popular. A friend of mine once described it as 'a four volume horror manga where the protagonist getting eaten and everyone dying the moment things get serious was the point, stretched out to an epic fantasy adventure when everyone inexplicably missed it and wanted more'. His plots can get pretty dumb, but I really like the vast majority of his characters. Genuinely a series where I actually struggle to find anyone I didn't want to see more of.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Even Tumblr, with all their SJW politics, agree that AoT is shit:

https://therealbrigeedarocks.tumblr.com/post/646870298104348672

The post in question brings up a fantastic point, and it's the one that bothers me the most about this whole situation.

Not only is AoT now just a vessel for Isayama to peddle his fucktarded political beliefs, it's made them appealing to people. The way the series tries to portray what is basically fascism, genocide, and imperialism as being at least sympathetic ideas is incredibly disturbing. At best, it's just trying to do that. At worst, it's trying to glamorize it, and make it look cool. Make it look attractive. Make it look good. Make it look acceptable. Make it look correct.

And you know, that's just so...insidious. Just so...treacherous. To take these inexcusable, and frankly evil beliefs, and try to not only make them look just, and reasonable, but to try and make them look explicitly trendy, and attractive is just so unhanded and despicable that I don't even know what to say.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The post in question brings up a fantastic point, and it's the one that bothers me the most about this whole situation.

Not only is AoT now just a vessel for Isayama to peddle his fucktarded political beliefs, it's made them appealing to people. The way the series tries to portray what is basically fascism, genocide, and imperialism as being at least sympathetic ideas is incredibly disturbing. At best, it's just trying to do that. At worst, it's trying to glamorize it, and make it look cool. Make it look attractive. Make it look good. Make it look acceptable. Make it look correct.

And you know, that's just so...insidious. Just so...treacherous. To take these inexcusable, and frankly evil beliefs, and try to not only make them look just, and reasonable, but to try and make them look explicitly trendy, and attractive is just so unhanded and despicable that I don't even know what to say.

I'm sorry but this is quite a retarded take. Like AOT or don't like it, but saying that this series is trying to make facism, imperialism, and genocide look cool is retarded when the series is very hamfisted on "WAR BAD" and how those ideas are portrayed as horrible from the way Floch and his "not brownshirts" are portrayed as assholes who go around killing and beating up innocent people for minor differences along with how the entire conflict started because of literal imperial fascists oppressing others that led to the conflict in the first place. They also go overboard on how Marley is a fascist state on Eldians and anyone who they don't like such as the refugees.

Imperialism is also not portrayed as not a good thing when fucking Marley is portrayed as a horrible country for how it took over most of the world with titan powers which also extends to the Eldian Empire which led to how the Eldians were discriminated in the first place, Even then the island is portrayed as a victim of Imperialism with how the volunteers, Hizuru, and Marley have been exploiting it (or trying to) which is treated like a scary idea. Genocide is also never portrayed as a glamorized idea as they hamfist us on how horrifying it is especially with panels showing children dying alongside people fleeing in terror from the Rumbling.

At most I can give you that Eren's genocide is portrayed as a sympathetic idea from the perspective of Eren but even then this shit will never be popularized since Attack on Titan lacks any real world parallels to it's situation due to how the world is over the top in it's racism. Even then the heroic characters are meant to be seen in a positive light trying to save the world because genocide is bad which was handled in a very hamfisted way about how Eren is a monster for wanting to commit genocide.

The people who do take those concepts of Imperialism, Facism, and Genocide as cool and just ideas are only Erenfags or dumb autists who likely were not that well in the head to begin with. To say that Attack on Titan is going to turn innocent readers into wannabe Nazi's is just as retarded as saying that video games will make you want to go out and kill people.

Hell if any horrible ideas are glamorized then it would be murder (which to be frank lots of media glorify murder which is not exclusive to Attack on Titan), necrophilia (especially with 138 if Eren stays dead in the end), and debatably Military-run governments.

tl;dr: Attack on Titan no matter the quality of it's writing is not at all trying to portray the ideas of genocide, facism, and imperialism as ideas to support or emulate when all these ideas are portrayed as bad in a very hamfisted and over the top manner and at worst a character who supports these ideas is portrayed as morally grey but is still called out for it. People who do unironically support these ideas from AOT were already supportive of them to begin with or are not mentally well.

 

[Trashfire Garbagefuck]

Gundam made the Zeon soldiers sympathetic too and nobody gets up in arms about that. Hell look at the memes about them rumbling up Australia.

This just made me realize Eren is some kind of Amuro Char amalgamation Inexperienced teenager gets ahold of giant fighting thing (0079 Amuro, Eren) and ignores obvious but sisterlike love interest (Mikasa/Fraw Bow). He went from angry crazy guy out for revenge and complete destruction of his enemy (0079 Char, early Eren) to purposeless and depressed (early Zeta Char, post-basement Eren before he settled on flattening the earth) to firming his resolve (late Zeta Char, hobo Eren) and finally to buys-his-own-propaganda omnicidal figurehead of a revived fascist regime (current Eren/Eldia, Char's Counterattack Char/Zeon).

The main difference is that no matter how many teenagers Char bangs he's still gonna blow up the earth unless someone kills him. Eren only needed one for both.

Actually you know what, this is all just Gundam. The protagonist of Zeta is an angry little shit who starts fist fights with random strangers who piss him off and battles a group literally named the Titans that killed his mom in front of him. Zeon is a mass murdering fascist imperialist organization with characters the viewer is supposed to sympathize with. Amuro's superior officer demeans him and hits him all the time, though unlike Levi it was for his own good. He made him better.

So I guess Levi is more like that guy who beat the everloving shit out of Kamille in Zeta. But still, very Gundamy. Oh and everyone in both series has autism.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I'm sorry but this is quite a retarded take. Like AOT or don't like it, but saying that this series is trying to make facism, imperialism, and genocide look cool is retarded when the series is very hamfisted on "WAR BAD" and how those ideas are portrayed as horrible from the way Floch and his "not brownshirts" are portrayed as assholes who go around killing and beating up innocent people for minor differences along with how the entire conflict started because of literal imperial fascists oppressing others that led to the conflict in the first place. They also go overboard on how Marley is a fascist state on Eldians and anyone who they don't like such as the refugees.

Imperialism is also not portrayed as not a good thing when fucking Marley is portrayed as a horrible country for how it took over most of the world with titan powers which also extends to the Eldian Empire which led to how the Eldians were discriminated in the first place, Even then the island is portrayed as a victim of Imperialism with how the volunteers, Hizuru, and Marley have been exploiting it (or trying to) which is treated like a scary idea. Genocide is also never portrayed as a glamorized idea as they hamfist us on how horrifying it is especially with panels showing children dying alongside people fleeing in terror from the Rumbling.

At most I can give you that Eren's genocide is portrayed as a sympathetic idea from the perspective of Eren but even then this shit will never be popularized since Attack on Titan lacks any real world parallels to it's situation due to how the world is over the top in it's racism. Even then the heroic characters are meant to be seen in a positive light trying to save the world because genocide is bad which was handled in a very hamfisted way about how Eren is a monster for wanting to commit genocide.

The people who do take those concepts of Imperialism, Facism, and Genocide as cool and just ideas are only Erenfags or dumb autists who likely were not that well in the head to begin with. To say that Attack on Titan is going to turn innocent readers into wannabe Nazi's is just as retarded as saying that video games will make you want to go out and kill people.

Hell if any horrible ideas are glamorized then it would be murder (which to be frank lots of media glorify murder which is not exclusive to Attack on Titan), necrophilia (especially with 138 if Eren stays dead in the end), and debatably Military-run governments.

tl;dr: Attack on Titan no matter the quality of it's writing is not at all trying to portray the ideas of genocide, facism, and imperialism as ideas to support or emulate when all these ideas are portrayed in a bad in a very hamfisted and over the top manner and at worst a character who supports these ideas is portrayed as morally grey but is still called out for it. People who do unironically support these ideas from AOT were already supportive of them to begin with or are not mentally well.

Forgive me, my post was vague, overdramatic, and retardedly worded. Of course I know this series isn't going to make anyone actually believe in genocide, fascism, imperialism. My point was that it felt like Isayama was trying to do that with his story, and if that was the case, it's really fucking scummy, and insultingly stupid.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Forgive me, my post was vague, overdramatic, and retardedly worded. Of course I know this series isn't going to make anyone actually believe in genocide, fascism, imperialism. My point was that it felt like Isayama was trying to do that with his story, and if that was the case, it's really fucking scummy, and insultingly stupid.

I mean it really isn’t since while I like the story, Isayama is not really subtle on how he feels about certain topics and he is as preachy as Kojima when it comes to war being bad among other topics.

If it was the case, it’s likely taken that way by retards who unironically say shit like “Aaron Yoghurt” or “King Floch” (yes the IRL Yaegerists fucking worship Floch too and it’s even more cringeworthy than Eren wank)

 

[Protistology]

I completely disagree. Zeon didn't do shit. The Earth dropped the colony on itself. Wake up Sheeple! #mzga0083"