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I'm a transgender woman, and it really isn't any of those things. Transgender people are just individuals who feel more comfortable presenting as a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth. I was assigned male at birth, but I identify as a woman, so therefore I'm a transgender woman. I do have fetishes, but being a woman isn't one of them. I get how it can be hard for cis people to understand what it feels like to be trans, but there's really nothing perverted or harmful about it. I'm not saying that people like Abigail and Contrapoints aren't kind of narcissistic and weird, because they totally are, but it's not because they're trans. I mean, there are plenty of egocentric and perverted cisgender people, so it makes sense that there would also be lots of transgender people with similar flaws.
But what is a woman? how do you feel like a woman? what about females/women who dont subscribe to the accepted gender stereotypes of what a woman is meant to be/act/look like? how do males know they feel like a woman if they were not born female to start with?
Partly joking but grains of truth. Though they've pissed off A LOT of people with the hate crimes law. I predict troons will cause Scottish Independence to collapse, like they did the UK Labour Party.
I was half joking but generally the SNP will do the opposite of what England do even if it has a negative effect on Scotland

Loooool stfu
hi olly. Hows it going trying to hide the man feet, hands and well body. Shame they havent found a feminisation surgery for feet, legs and hands they always give the men in dresses away dont they
 
I'm a transgender woman, and it really isn't any of those things. Transgender people are just individuals who feel more comfortable presenting as a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth. I was assigned male at birth, but I identify as a woman, so therefore I'm a transgender woman. I do have fetishes, but being a woman isn't one of them. I get how it can be hard for cis people to understand what it feels like to be trans, but there's really nothing perverted or harmful about it. I'm not saying that people like Abigail and Contrapoints aren't kind of narcissistic and weird, because they totally are, but it's not because they're trans. I mean, there are plenty of egocentric and perverted cisgender people, so it makes sense that there would also be lots of transgender people with similar flaws.
"Cis" is a fiction and a slur. We don't need a word for "doesn't have the serious mental illness of gender dysphoria".

The correct terminology is transwoman, without the space, because with the space it states that woman is the supercategory, and cis and trans are subcategories. It's a logical and linguistic trick, to say that "trans women" are just as much women as "cis women". Not so. Only women are women, and transwomen are men in dresses.
 
I'm a transgender woman, and it really isn't any of those things. Transgender people are just individuals who feel more comfortable presenting as a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth. I was assigned male at birth, but I identify as a woman, so therefore I'm a transgender woman. I do have fetishes, but being a woman isn't one of them. I get how it can be hard for cis people to understand what it feels like to be trans, but there's really nothing perverted or harmful about it. I'm not saying that people like Abigail and Contrapoints aren't kind of narcissistic and weird, because they totally are, but it's not because they're trans. I mean, there are plenty of egocentric and perverted cisgender people, so it makes sense that there would also be lots of transgender people with similar flaws.
What are your fetishes?
 
But what is a woman? how do you feel like a woman? what about females/women who dont subscribe to the accepted gender stereotypes of what a woman is meant to be/act/look like? how do males know they feel like a woman if they were not born female to start with?
A woman is an individual who identifies as a woman. I understand how that definition is tautological, but as a matter of identity that's all that there is to it. What is a basketball fan? someone who likes basketball. What is a stoner? someone who identifies with the stoner subculture. What it means to feel like a woman varies from person to person, and I can't say what feeling like a woman is like anymore than I could say what feeling like a man is like, since I'm just one person. I'd expect that there are just as many answers to that question as there are women on the planet, and my answer is that I don't know. If women don't subscribe to the stereotype of what women are meant to act like, then good for them! I definitely don't subscribe to many norms expected of me, since I usually don't wear makeup in public, I never intend to become a mother etc. You can't "know that you feel like" ANYTHING, since feelings are entirely subjective. If you identify as a woman, you're a woman. I never knew that I felt like a woman; I just identify as one. How does anyone know that they're a juggalo or a weaboo? They just decide that they are. Obviously, that explanation belies the dysphoria that frequently prompts people to transition, though.
"Cis" is a fiction and a slur. We don't need a word for "doesn't have the serious mental illness of gender dysphoria".

The correct terminology is transwoman, without the space, because with the space it states that woman is the supercategory, and cis and trans are subcategories. It's a logical and linguistic trick, to say that "trans women" are just as much women as "cis women". Not so. Only women are women, and transwomen are men in dresses.
What word isn't a fiction? Words are imagined by people, not dug out of the ground. We don't need any word; words serve a social utility, and clearly to have this discussion you would need a term for not trans. I like cis because it's short and less clunky than "doesn't have the serious mental illness of gender dysphoria," which is also not entirely accurate because plenty of transgender people don't experience gender dysphoria at all.

I don't agree with your terminology. I do agree that only women are women, though. Transgender women are women who are transgender. Tall women are women who are tall, and cisgender women are women who are not trans. If the term cis really hurts your feelings that much, well, my condolences, but transgender women are here to stay. I hope that people like you will change their opinion, and the term will cease to seem like a slur to you, but it's just not going anywhere. A more politically correct term for cisgender people may develop, since it appears that you people want your own version of political correctness to be enacted, but that's not likely to happen.
 
What word isn't a fiction? Words are imagined by people, not dug out of the ground. We don't need any word; words serve a social utility, and clearly to have this discussion you would need a term for not trans.
The term for "not trans" is "normal" or "sane". Trans just means fake.

I like cis because it's short and less clunky than "doesn't have the serious mental illness of gender dysphoria," which is also not entirely accurate because plenty of transgender people don't experience gender dysphoria at all.
Trans is only legitimate as a medical condition. If its not a medical condition it's just a man in a dress because he wants to be, and I'm not respecting that unless you're crazy enough to kill yourself for it. And in fact, not even then.

Transgender women are women who are transgender.
Transwomen are not women. Trans people are just mentally ill mutilated impostors, or mimi's.

Tall women are women who are tall, and cisgender women are women who are not trans.
'Woman' is not a supercategory which includes males. Tall women are women who are tall. Transwomen are men who are mutilated.

If the term cis really hurts your feelings that much, well, my condolences, but transgender women are here to stay. I hope that people like you will change their opinion, and the term will cease to seem like a slur to you, but it's just not going anywhere. A more politically correct term for cisgender people may develop, since it appears that you people want your own version of political correctness to be enacted, but that's not likely to happen.
Sure thing pal. Cis is will not be imposed on me. Try not to kill yourself over it. boohoo
 
I'm a transgender woman, and it really isn't any of those things. Transgender people are just individuals who feel more comfortable presenting as a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth. I was assigned male at birth, but I identify as a woman, so therefore I'm a transgender woman. I do have fetishes, but being a woman isn't one of them. I get how it can be hard for cis people to understand what it feels like to be trans, but there's really nothing perverted or harmful about it. I'm not saying that people like Abigail and Contrapoints aren't kind of narcissistic and weird, because they totally are, but it's not because they're trans. I mean, there are plenty of egocentric and perverted cisgender people, so it makes sense that there would also be lots of transgender people with similar flaws.

A woman is an individual who identifies as a woman. I understand how that definition is tautological, but as a matter of identity that's all that there is to it. What is a basketball fan? someone who likes basketball. What is a stoner? someone who identifies with the stoner subculture. What it means to feel like a woman varies from person to person, and I can't say what feeling like a woman is like anymore than I could say what feeling like a man is like, since I'm just one person. I'd expect that there are just as many answers to that question as there are women on the planet, and my answer is that I don't know. If women don't subscribe to the stereotype of what women are meant to act like, then good for them! I definitely don't subscribe to many norms expected of me, since I usually don't wear makeup in public, I never intend to become a mother etc. You can't "know that you feel like" ANYTHING, since feelings are entirely subjective. If you identify as a woman, you're a woman. I never knew that I felt like a woman; I just identify as one. How does anyone know that they're a juggalo or a weaboo? They just decide that they are. Obviously, that explanation belies the dysphoria that frequently prompts people to transition, though.

What word isn't a fiction? Words are imagined by people, not dug out of the ground. We don't need any word; words serve a social utility, and clearly to have this discussion you would need a term for not trans. I like cis because it's short and less clunky than "doesn't have the serious mental illness of gender dysphoria," which is also not entirely accurate because plenty of transgender people don't experience gender dysphoria at all.

I don't agree with your terminology. I do agree that only women are women, though. Transgender women are women who are transgender. Tall women are women who are tall, and cisgender women are women who are not trans. If the term cis really hurts your feelings that much, well, my condolences, but transgender women are here to stay. I hope that people like you will change their opinion, and the term will cease to seem like a slur to you, but it's just not going anywhere. A more politically correct term for cisgender people may develop, since it appears that you people want your own version of political correctness to be enacted, but that's not likely to happen.
Wow, this is such an unbelievably shitty way to explain tranny shit. It's an unbelievably rare neurological disorder that tends to manifest early in life. Usually as a somewhat androgynous appearance and a distaste for things associated with your sex. Which obviously aren't very obvious signs without hindsight. You don't see those people because that's exactly as rare as it sounds and I think the easiest comparison is a psychological version of being born with multiple genitals, exceedingly rare and practically never happens. The modern trans community is like a group of triple amputees being infiltrated by people who cut off their middle finger and scream they're totally cripples and you don't need to lose limbs to be a tri amputee. So you better agree or else you're a 4 limb, limbphobic gatekeeper. And there are a lot more people missing a finger than there are tri amputees.

You can't really just go around arguing that you "feel like a woman." or "feel like a man." Because with all the massive fetishist sideshows saying that exact same thing you come off as no different. I think the easiest way to explain being transgender is when you wanna be the other sex not because it makes you feel better, but because it makes you feel normal. I get this impression from my FTM friend very much so. They don't talk about how heckin' valid they feel to be a man, it's the opposite. They talk about how it feels wrong to have a vagina. They also have been completely ousted from any LGBT space because they don't agree with woke politics or men in dresses talking about how oppressed they are when they've overrun a tiny mentally ill community, demonized them as "truscum" and skinwalk them to run wild in the western world. I really do pity trans people. First they have to be born with a neurological disorder that makes them feel "wrong" just for being that's so rare you'd never find someone to relate to without the internet. But then those communities are overrun by fetish fags taking your name through the mud. Much like how neolib slave moralism is ascendant because of extreme reactionary conservatism from the Cold War Era, I'd bet good money neocon slave moralism will be really hip in the next few generations. Being transgender will be dirtier than it already is outside of dogshit places like California. All because of privileged whitemen larping as stunning and brave oppressed minority who themselves wouldn't really be oppressed if it wasn't for these freaks.
 
What is a stoner? someone who identifies with the stoner subculture.

That's so fucking retarded. When I was smoking weed I was a stoner, not because I identified with the stoner subculture, I always hated it, but because I was high on hash 24/7.

Also, dude, I can respect HSTS and transmedicalists, I don't personally agree with them that they should troon out to cure their gender disphoria but I can definitely have empathy for their struggle confronting this mental illness, but you're a fucking tucute and you really sound like an AGP freak.

Fucking tucute like you at worst consider all the troon shit as a fetish and at best as a trendy community to be part of, which is not very different from being an emo or a goth really, as you say you identify as a woman (sic) just as much as they identify as goth or emo. The difference is that it's way less harmful to be a fucking emo or a goth, they're not pressured to get mutilated through chirurgical operation, to get their body fucked through hormones and shit and fucking groomed by fucking AGP weirdos.

Get help, I'm sincere.
 
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A woman is an individual who identifies as a woman.
But how? what is the criteria. there are billions of adult human females on this planet each one is a unique individual, what happens when all these women disagree on what makes them a woman, let alone men who decide they 'feel' like a woman. also do you not think this is an insult to the billions of women, actual female adults who have faced abuse and oppression due to being women?

Transwomen do not know the lived experiences of women, how it effects their opportunities, livelihood, health, prospects, the same way women wont know what mens lived experiences are. Both will experience society and life in a very unique way due to their sex and to try and co opt female experiences is a joke

I understand how that definition is tautological, , but as a matter of identity that's all that there is to it. What is a basketball fan? someone who likes basketball. What is a stoner? someone who identifies with the stoner subculture. What it means to feel like a woman varies from person to person
woman is a woman, an adult human female, there is no philosophical reasoning for what it means, woman means adult human female, someone born female, with a body designed to create large gametes that survives childhood.
identifying as a basketball fan is different from being a woman. women are born to be women, there is no choice involved, a basketball fan is a choice, comparing the who is again an insult to women and girls who face abuse, torture, death and oppression because they are female
I can't say what feeling like a woman is like anymore than I could say what feeling like a man is like, since I'm just one person. I'd expect that there are just as many answers to that question as there are women on the planet, and my answer is that I don't know.

maybe because being a man or woman is not a feeling but a biological fact
If you identify as a woman, you're a woman. I never knew that I felt like a woman; I just identify as one. How does anyone know that they're a juggalo or a weaboo? They just decide that they are. Obviously, that explanation belies the dysphoria that frequently prompts people to transition, though.
Again your comparing womanhood to fads, preferences and choices. no woman chooses to be a woman, if being a woman was a feeling or a choice do you not think girls would identify out of female genital mutilation, stoning and hanging for being raped, the sex trade, infanticide, forced marriages, child marriages. would it not make sense?
To say being a woman is like choosing to be a rock band fan just shows you are not a woman, your just projecting your fetishes and fantasies of what you think women are, a fad for your entertainment and play acting
What word isn't a fiction? Words are imagined by people, not dug out of the ground. We don't need any word; words serve a social utility, and clearly to have this discussion you would need a term for not trans. I like cis because it's short and less clunky than "doesn't have the serious mental illness of gender dysphoria," which is also not entirely accurate because plenty of transgender people don't experience gender dysphoria at all.
Words have meanings and consequences, you expect people to conform to your delusions yet ignore people making a distinct point they do not want to play along. men and women are not cis, a subgroup. they are the default, the real deal, they are biologically male and female you know man (noun) adult human male/ woman (noun) adult human female. If your identity needs others to change their language then its not a personal choice its authoritarian and most people refuse it and its label cis

oh and cis has nothing to do with sex or gender its a chemistry term.

Transgender women are women who are transgender. Tall women are women who are tall, and cisgender women are women who are not trans. If the term cis really hurts your feelings that much, well, my condolences, but transgender women are here to stay.
transwomen are not women because they are not female, they will never be female, they are male. Sex cannot be changed. no mammal especially humans can change sex. transwomen are trasnwomen or more realistically they are male.


transwomen are like all fads, these men who are desperate for attention due to their narcissism will realise they arent as special with every new transwoman and will find a new way to get attention, contra points is learning this lesson right now with ollie the stalker

I hope that people like you will change their opinion, and the term will cease to seem like a slur to you, but it's just not going anywhere. A more politically correct term for cisgender people may develop, since it appears that you people want your own version of political correctness to be enacted, but that's not likely to happen.
Most people are waking up to what your movement is a cult. Most people were ok with trans people but since the gender cultists tried to force people to change language, spaces and gaslight people the empathy is gone.

Its not about political correctness its about changing language to suit a small mentally ill minority, to validate their narcissism. Men and women say no, respect and choice is a two way street, we dont owe you using the correct term, in fact when people try and push cis i revert to their sex and ignore their wants, because if they cannot accept my choices i wont play along
 
But how? what is the criteria. there are billions of adult human females on this planet each one is a unique individual, what happens when all these women disagree on what makes them a woman, let alone men who decide they 'feel' like a woman. also do you not think this is an insult to the billions of women, actual female adults who have faced abuse and oppression due to being women?

Transwomen do not know the lived experiences of women, how it effects their opportunities, livelihood, health, prospects, the same way women wont know what mens lived experiences are. Both will experience society and life in a very unique way due to their sex and to try and co opt female experiences is a joke


woman is a woman, an adult human female, there is no philosophical reasoning for what it means, woman means adult human female, someone born female, with a body designed to create large gametes that survives childhood.
identifying as a basketball fan is different from being a woman. women are born to be women, there is no choice involved, a basketball fan is a choice, comparing the who is again an insult to women and girls who face abuse, torture, death and oppression because they are female


maybe because being a man or woman is not a feeling but a biological fact

Again your comparing womanhood to fads, preferences and choices. no woman chooses to be a woman, if being a woman was a feeling or a choice do you not think girls would identify out of female genital mutilation, stoning and hanging for being raped, the sex trade, infanticide, forced marriages, child marriages. would it not make sense?
To say being a woman is like choosing to be a rock band fan just shows you are not a woman, your just projecting your fetishes and fantasies of what you think women are, a fad for your entertainment and play acting

Words have meanings and consequences, you expect people to conform to your delusions yet ignore people making a distinct point they do not want to play along. men and women are not cis, a subgroup. they are the default, the real deal, they are biologically male and female you know man (noun) adult human male/ woman (noun) adult human female. If your identity needs others to change their language then its not a personal choice its authoritarian and most people refuse it and its label cis

oh and cis has nothing to do with sex or gender its a chemistry term.


transwomen are not women because they are not female, they will never be female, they are male. Sex cannot be changed. no mammal especially humans can change sex. transwomen are trasnwomen or more realistically they are male.


transwomen are like all fads, these men who are desperate for attention due to their narcissism will realise they arent as special with every new transwoman and will find a new way to get attention, contra points is learning this lesson right now with ollie the stalker


Most people are waking up to what your movement is a cult. Most people were ok with trans people but since the gender cultists tried to force people to change language, spaces and gaslight people the empathy is gone.

Its not about political correctness its about changing language to suit a small mentally ill minority, to validate their narcissism. Men and women say no, respect and choice is a two way street, we dont owe you using the correct term, in fact when people try and push cis i revert to their sex and ignore their wants, because if they cannot accept my choices i wont play along
I just want to underline how hilariously on-brand it was for the tranny to compare their identity to fashion trends. He compared himself to a juggalo this is the fucking best.
 
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Wasn’t Nkysnottrans just saying how Contra loves the blue eyed troons lol?
 
On a note completely unrelated to what's currently being discussed on this thread here's a video about how Menatal Illosphy Tube didn't read Evola at all and doesn't understand how words work. I clipped what I thought was the funniest part but the whole thing is worth a watch. It's by one of the Golden One's friends (anyone who remembers Nyk's pre-trans vids should remember that name) by the name of Survive the Jive concerning this video.

 
a video about how Menatal Illosphy Tube didn't read Evola at all and doesn't understand how words work.
Not shocked that a pseud like Olly couldn't get through Evola. Even a lot of actual intellectuals struggle to grasp his books. Partly because you need to know a lot about Orientalism and early 20th century Eastern mysticism and its history in the West to understand why he says what he does, and partly because he's Italian and the most popular translation is a bit boring and long-winded in its verbiage.
 
I would understand if his main point of contention was things like access to surgeries through the NHS or something else that actually improves the lives of trannies, but how exactly does informed consent and self-ID help? If you're truly a whaman on the inside, is it really too much work to go to the doctor and get properly diagnosed? AFAIK Great Britain has transgender laws and you are able to change your sex legally without weird loopholes (for example in Poland you have to sue your own parents in civil court for misidentifying your sex to change your sex legally) after you mangle your genitals.
Why are trannies so obsessed with making sure there is absolutely no barrier to entry for transsexualism and anyone can do it on a whim instead of making sure the process is smooth yet able to catch the cases in which transsexualism doesn't apply? Doesn't that just strengthen TERF arguments about men wanting to abuse transsexual status?
Because being able to just claim you're a woman and get access to women's spaces was the end goal of the degenerates all along. I've already seen some people online claim that it's transphobic to expect troons to shave their beards and dress/act like women.
 
But what is a woman? how do you feel like a woman? what about females/women who dont subscribe to the accepted gender stereotypes of what a woman is meant to be/act/look like? how do males know they feel like a woman if they were not born female to start with?
Tbf I used to think this was bullshit too, but I'm pretty sure that if I suddenly woke up one day with a man's body I'd have a major identity crisis, and I don't think I'd ever fully come to terms with it even after years of living that way. So I guess in that sense I 'feel like a woman'. It's not inconceivable that some people might just have that wrong body feeling right from the start, whether it's psychiatric or a neuro thing or whatever. What I don't get is how an increasing number of supposedly trans people say it's not about being in the wrong body at all, it's... some handwavy thing about identity and feelings that never gets explained properly. Like, what does it even mean to be trans and not have gender dysphoria?
 
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