The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
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Anyone else think Derek Chauvin's Lawyer Eric Nelson is doing pretty damn good all things considered?
Everything is stacked against him, case has tons of publicity, mainstream media and most normies basically have their minds set on Chauvin being guilty regardless of what evidence is presented so Eric 'Full' Nelson is taking so much shit for defending him. To top it off it's just him and his assistant against a seemingly veteran team of ivy league educated attorneys.

I'm really interested to see how things turn out next week.

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Anyone else think Derek Chauvin's Lawyer Eric Nelson is doing pretty damn good all things considered?
Everything is stacked against him, case has tons of publicity, mainstream media and most normies basically have their minds set on Chauvin being guilty regardless of what evidence is presented so Eric 'Full' Nelson is taking so much shit for defending him. To top it off it's just him and his assistant against a seemingly veteran team of ivy league educated attorneys.

I'm really interested to see how things turn out next week.

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If Chauvin gets off, Nelson will be one rich motherfucker. He'll be the most sought after lawyer in the country (if he's not dead).
 
Something I thought of:

When you're in court, it's not about "right" or "wrong." It's about obtaining and analyzing evidence and research to prove your case. And hope that the jury or judge sees your way for justice.
The way it's been described to me is basically that lawyering is really just an act of "persuasive story telling."
Both sides are working with the same pool of evidence. The prosecution's job is to use that evidence to tell a story of wrongdoing on the part of the defendant. The defense's job is to tell a story of misplaced blame targeted at an innocent man.
What it comes down to is who can tell a more believable story.
 
Anyone else think Derek Chauvin's Lawyer Eric Nelson is doing pretty damn good all things considered?
Everything is stacked against him, case has tons of publicity, mainstream media and most normies basically have their minds set on Chauvin being guilty regardless of what evidence is presented so Eric 'Full' Nelson is taking so much shit for defending him. To top it off it's just him and his assistant against a seemingly veteran team of ivy league educated attorneys.

I'm really interested to see how things turn out next week.

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There was a really good point made about that in this blog post. It's crazy that Nelson is basically one guy against a team of 15 people. https://lawofselfdefense.com/chauvi...-provide-state-with-poorly-informed-opinions/

Direct questioning of Zimmerman was conducted by Prosecutor Frank, taking over from Schleiter, and that raises an interesting and noteworthy point.

Today one of the television commentators chattering away while the court was recessed mentioned that the state had some 15 or so attorneys admitted on the case by Judge Cahill. I’d thought the number was more like 10 or 12, but regardless, the point remains the same.

There is only one defense attorney, Eric Nelson. The woman sitting behind him is technically an attorney, in that she’s passed the bar, but I believe she did so about a week ago, or some similarly short time. She’s not really a lawyer on the legal team in any substantive sense. And that appears to be it for Nelson’s “team.”

Those of you who followed my George Zimmerman coverage (presumably no relation) will recall that George always had two lawyers in court with him, Mark O’Mara and Don West, and those two did a masterful job of switching out so as to achieve a best fit in questioning different witnesses. (The prosecution, in contrast had some four or five or six attorneys actively on the case.). Largely unseen, however, was a substantial support staff backing up O’Mara and West—one of the factors that led to that legal defense billing out at around $1.7 million.

Nelson has himself, a newly barred assistant, and that’s it. The situation is rather like a wrestling match in which one competitor fights alone against 10-15 opponents who can tag each other in and out as they like.

On a more practical level, it means, for example, that each prosecutor need have command of every detail of only the subset of witnesses that they intend to personally question—whereas, in contrast, Eric Nelson must have command of every detail of every single witness.

It also means that if any single prosecutor feels, perhaps, that they might be a bit off that day, they can “tag in” a colleague. Eric Nelson can “tag in” nobody.

This stuff matters, folks, especially in an extraordinarily long trial such as this one. It’s worth noting that most murder trials—by which I mean intentional murder, not the unintentional killing that Minnesota strangely insists on labelling murder—last only a day or two or three. Criminal trials of three and four weeks just don’t happen in the normal course of events, but only in the most exceptional cases—often highly politically charged cases, such as this one.

I wrote in a recent blog post how impressed I’ve been by Nelson’s performance in the trial proper, and that’s true. Whether he can maintain that level of performance for two, three, or four weeks, is another question entirely. I certainly hope he can.
 
Anyone else think Derek Chauvin's Lawyer Eric Nelson is doing pretty damn good all things considered?
Everything is stacked against him, case has tons of publicity, mainstream media and most normies basically have their minds set on Chauvin being guilty regardless of what evidence is presented so Eric 'Full' Nelson is taking so much shit for defending him. To top it off it's just him and his assistant against a seemingly veteran team of ivy league educated attorneys.

I'm really interested to see how things turn out next week.

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Yeah, people have said he's doing pretty well all things considered. But mostly the story of the first week or so as how the prosecution have scored some own goals with the witnesses.
 
So a methed up black guy tried to buy a single banana for a fake $20 while dancing in front of the cash register. I have no idea who writes reality this season, but they clearly gave up at this point.
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Was talking to a small l liberal/normie friend yesterday who asked if I was watching the trial. Not wanting to get into it I just said, "not really, haven't had the time." They proceeded to tell me it was exciting because they thought it was open and shut, but now think it could go either way because the defense has been so effective and they didn't know about the drug stuff and how it may have caused his death.
 
I never thought I'd say this, but when I see things like this...I actually feel bad for George Floyd.

These people completely ignore his entire life, the ups and downs he faced, and focus solely on the idea that he was somehow a martyr or Jesus figure.
His entire claim to fame is his death, which countless people misconstrue as a murder,

For as terrible a person as Fenty-Floyd was, its disrespectful to claim to look up to him as a figure of praise when all you see is a dead man.
They purposefully ignore his life because it breaks the illusion.

Jesus didn't just die on the cross and suddenly became a figurehead of Christianity. He lived his mortal life as an example of how his creator wanted humanity to be, and ultimately sacrificed himself for the salvation of humanity.
Floyd lived the life of a deadbeat, drug-addicted, violent, and unrepentant criminal. He died after ODing on pills. Yet, there is a very convenient video that makes it look like he was the victim of a hate crime.

If Floyd had any sort of good in him, these Twitards don't give a shit. All they want to see is Floyd the dead man, not Floyd the man who's trying to improve his life.
Do you understand now?
Do you see that the truth is they don't want to change this?
They don't want a hero.
They just want a martyr, a statue to raise.
I've given everything I can.
There are no heroes left in man.
 
As you well know, people can be presented with the same set of facts and come to different conclusions. That's why erring on the side of experts (ie. people who actually work with this kind of information regularly) is typically a good rule of thumb. But when you apply it in the "there's no point even looking into it" sense, you're just a retard.
Except now almost everything is politicized. Thus, the person crowned the most pre-eminent expert is the one whose conclusions just so happen to make some group of people money or grant them social status.

The book Listen, Liberal goes into this sort of thing quite well, though it frames it in terms of "who is most orthodox."
 
Epic based humblebrag here, but I tried convincing the native american gas station attendent of this fact at the end of her shift and after passing a aserious "Are you serious?" I said, "Yeah it sounds fucking insane but watch the trial and wait for the defense to bring up the semen." And then we started talking about BDSM and she's coming by later tonight. Cha-Ching.
Follw up guys. The girl came over and saw my penis. She cried for about 15 minutes and then left.

Score one for the good guys.
 
Interestingly enough, rapper DXM, who is only a couple of years older than Floyd, recently overdosed on drugs and suffered a heart attack as a result. He’s in hospital and it looks like he may be brain-dead.
So the link between OD‘s and cardiac arrest just got a little more publicity.
What these bitches want from a nigga? Aiyyo!!
Dog, I meet bitches, discrete bitches Street bitches, slash, Cocoa Puff sweet bitches
Make you wanna eat bitches, but not me Y'all niggaz eat off the plate all you want but not D
I fuck with these hoes from a distance The instant they start to catch feelings I start to stealin they shit then I'm out just like a thief in the night I sink my teeth in to bite You thinkin life, I'm thinkin more like - whassup tonight? Come on ma, you know I got a wife and even though that pussy tight I'm not gon' jeapordize my life (aight?)
 
the icon is done by an activist episcopalian. its been blessed and is at an episcopalian church in st. louis,mo.


i wonder if the Greek orthodox churches will find more converts.

The Episcopal (not Episcopalian) Church goes off the rails every now and then and spawns estranged daughter churches. The Oxford Movement sparked the creation of a low church/Protestant-complected group called the Reformed Episcopal Church. The ordination of women to the priesthood drove out many of the Anglo-Catholics who formed the Continuum, a loose constellation of churches that have been slowly coalescing. The ordination of practicing homosexuals drove out many traditionalists who created the Anglican Church in North America, which includes the REC but not (I think) the Continuers. And the Anglican Mission in America has planted a number of churches, due in large part to support from Rwanda and Southeast Asia. So disaffected Episcopalians have a few choices where they can continue to practice their Anglican faith without submitting to Orthodox bishops and doctrine. Even where the Orthodox churches have the Western Rite, it's still chock full of doctrine to which no self-respecting Anglican could assent.
 
It's always been that way. Virtually all of the arguments that are going on now have existed in one form or another for longer than the vast majority of us were born.
While this is correct in some form or fashion, the attribution of expertise in what are supposed to be matters of skill were not quite as directly predicated on having the correct political opinions.
 
Anyone else think Derek Chauvin's Lawyer Eric Nelson is doing pretty damn good all things considered?
Everything is stacked against him, case has tons of publicity, mainstream media and most normies basically have their minds set on Chauvin being guilty regardless of what evidence is presented so Eric 'Full' Nelson is taking so much shit for defending him. To top it off it's just him and his assistant against a seemingly veteran team of ivy league educated attorneys.

I'm really interested to see how things turn out next week.

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Sure, he's doing a good job. But he gets my respect just for doing it at all.

The media went all in on this. As did Dem politicians. Hell, the city council just declared Chauvin guilty to the tune, iirc, $27m? If Chauvin is found not guilty, how is that city council going to look? I don't know how much this lawyer gets but presumably he's just paid a fairly regular amount by the police union? I guess being cynical he could make money from interviews or a book later but the big money will be in the George Floyd camp. Frankly, I don't think any money he makes from this could be worth the degree to which a target is going to be painted on him from defending someone most people have been conned into thinking a murderer. I wonder what went through his mind when this job fell across his desk. Or did he seek it out? Win or lose, he's either nuts or very brave.
 
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