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Neat, I like to see people starting to hit the breaking point. The fact that this was actually posted in reddit of all places makes me think that one day we'll see some more pushback. Maybe.
It always astonishes me when people use the very platform they're complaining about to level those complaints and expect to accomplish something. "Hey mean people who ban wrongthink and delete uncomfortable posts on this website you control, I'm going to call you out on that very same site so you can ban and delete it! Hey! Why did I get banned and my post get deleted?"

Like, seriously, why would you ever expect an enemy to allow you to use their own platform to try to hurt them?
 
It always astonishes me when people use the very platform they're complaining about to level those complaints and expect to accomplish something. "Hey mean people who ban wrongthink and delete uncomfortable posts on this website you control, I'm going to call you out on that very same site so you can ban and delete it! Hey! Why did I get banned and my post get deleted?"

Like, seriously, why would you ever expect an enemy to allow you to use their own platform to try to hurt them?
Making your own webzone takes work, better to just sit on reddit bitching about reddit.
 
Five days ago, reddit mod u/girafa made the following comment about Zack Snyder.
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Now people are getting banned en masse for even bringing this up.

Girafa happens to be the top mod of the movies subreddit so only admins can do anything about this. Might be something to watch.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepo..._of_the_subreddit_victims_of_our_own_success/ [x]

Big drama about Anti-Evil Operations in a politics sub. AEO keeps removing comments that are even slightly critical of troons, so the jannies of r/ModeratePolitics have decided to blanket ban any threads on "gender identity, the transgender experience, and the laws that may affect these topics". It just isn't possible to talk about this stuff on reddit anymore without risking your sub getting shut down.

Discussion about this in r/Stupidpol: https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/mlb9fo/rmoderatepolitics_mods_ban_all_discussion_on/ [x]

Some janny wrote up an explanation:
I'm going to write this for anyone who doesn't know about the Anti-Evil Operations. I've written about it before but there's not always a context where other people are going to give a shit.

In my perspective trying to understand it as a moderator, it's some of the most underhanded bullshit ever, and was absolutely designed to create a chilling effect, not directly on users but through the site's army of volunteer subreddit moderators not wanting their subreddits to get in trouble.

This particular story – /r/ModeratePolitics putting an explicit moratorium on the entire trans topic – is just the tip of the iceberg, because more restrictions like this are happening across the website that nobody bothers to openly tell you about in this way. Be thankful their mods did this courtesy.

So, if you don't know how moderating on this site works, whenever a subreddit mod does anything, it shows up in your sub's "moderation log" page. It notes things like "Hheaut removed this post at this time," or "Hheaut stickied this post at this time," etc.

At some point recently — maybe, like, a year ago? — everybody started noticing logs credited not to a user, but just to the term "Anti-Evil Operations." I don't remember any kind of notification to us indicating they were starting a program like this, what it means, or how it works. It just started showing up in the log one day. There's also no indication of what it means on the log page itself. I had to google "reddit what is anti-evil operations," and what I found wasn't any kind of official explanation, but forum posts made by other moderators asking the same question and having other mods explain it. The admins didn't do shit. I also didn't even notice this was happening until months after it started, because I wasn't frequently looking through our modlogs (why would I be?).

When reddit's own content moderation team makes a removal, they push the notification to your team's logs to let you know that it happened, i.e. to let you know you're not doing a good enough job picking up your users' shit in the most unclear and passive-aggressive way they could think of (why not send an automated message saying "Our team removed this post from your community, this is a problem, here are the implications of this"?). A significant number of AEO removals in your log is thus a bad look for you, because it implies you're not moderating properly and therefore justifies action being taken against you or your community for that exact reason.

How many AEO removals is too many? I don't know. How do you know which things to remove, in order to not accidentally leave something the AEO team will later deem worthy of removal? No fucking idea. I've tried to find some kind of clear policy. I'm yet unaware of one. The AEO removals don't even contain any kind of information, so you have to look at the content it removed and make your best guess about what rule was broken. I don't know what we're supposed to do in the case where the user deletes their comment afterwards, meaning we get an AEO strike for something I can't even see.

In one case we got an AEO removal for a user whose comment was mostly normal arguing about stuff but then at the end called another user "you inferior dog." I assume that was the issue, because I couldn't see anything else remotely off-colour. I saw another comment removed seemingly for saying "go shove a broomstick up your ass." In a few cases, it looked like a comment was removed just for calling another user a retard. What can I do other than assume this means all of these things break the reddit site rules? That must be what it means, right? Because they were apparently significant enough offenses to trigger the Anti-Evil Operations team, and thus give our subreddit an implicit AEO-removal strike.

And the subreddit mods don't want to mess around, because they're afraid of punishment, because of how reddit has acted in the past about these issues. They go 0 to 100, and they're list-takers. Last year, they dropped a huge ban-wave that removed literally thousands of subreddits in an instant. There's no warning, no second chances, in most cases they don't even bother offering any specific reason, because why would they have to? Just slap a default "broke our rules" sticker on it and you're good. There were a lot of confused mods asking why their subs were removed, but good luck getting anyone to care about your story when you aren't being singled out, but are just one subreddit in a story about thousands of subreddits being deleted.

So what happens? There's a huge lack of communication and clarity, yet we're threatened with scorched-earth deletion. All content on your subreddit is gone if they ban it. So as could be expected, mods err on the side of caution, because not doing so could, maybe, potentially, mean their community will be part of the next ban-wave. You don't want to be on reddit's list of places they plan on removing in the next wave, do you? But we don't know what to remove, so we remove everything that could, maybe, somehow be a problem.

The reddit automoderator tool can be given a list of words to filter. We started jamming it with every word we could think of that might be a problem. What words are problematic? I found myself googling lists of things people consider slurs, and sometimes it's not clear. There's a handful that are obvious, but some are uncommon and people disagree about their slur status. I didn't think "mulatto" is a slur, but some people have argued it is, and back in 2019 multiple news outlets called IBM racist for the term being used on one of their internal forms (as an option for people to self-identify as). So who knows? I also learned about slurs I'd never even heard of before while doing this

(As an aside, given every definition of "slur" I can find anywhere, it's not clear to me why "Karen" does not qualify, but there's literally a hate-sub called /r/FuckYouKaren that's big enough to hit /r/all and the admins don't seem intent on doing anything about, so apparently that gets a pass, and we didn't end up including it.)

We added a message that tells the user something they wrote triggered a removal, but by default there's no indication this is happening, and since the automod configuration is private there's no way to know how many filters there are across reddit that the mods didn't create a notification for.

This is an extension of a more general problem on this website, which is how much of its censorship is invisible. There is no indication to you that your comments are removed if a mod removes them. They just stop being visible to other users; from your side, it looks the same. And your comments are still visible on your user page, meaning if you log out to check if your comments are visible, you have to manually click each comment to see if it's visible inside the subreddit; there's no easy way (without using an outside tool or website) to just scroll through your own content and see how much of it has been removed. How many people are ever going to bother?

The only time you get a notification is if you're given an explicit ban, but it's easy to shadowban people by writing an automod rule "if post is by [username], remove the comment," which is effectively the same as a ban, except the person is given no indication it's happening, and you can put as many names on the list as you want.

By the way, it's possible for reddit to delete your account and not give any indication if somebody tries to go to your user page. It won't say "account was banned" or whatever. It will display as though your username simply doesn't exist. In general what I've learned is you can never assume the company is consistent in any way.

I don't know how to wrap this up, but there you go. This whole situation sucks for both mods and users.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepo..._of_the_subreddit_victims_of_our_own_success/ [x]

Big drama about Anti-Evil Operations in a politics sub. AEO keeps removing comments that are even slightly critical of troons, so the jannies of r/ModeratePolitics have decided to blanket ban any threads on "gender identity, the transgender experience, and the laws that may affect these topics". It just isn't possible to talk about this stuff on reddit anymore without risking your sub getting shut down.

Discussion about this in r/Stupidpol: https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/mlb9fo/rmoderatepolitics_mods_ban_all_discussion_on/ [x]

Some janny wrote up an explanation:
This is what happens to everything that global capital gets their hands on. A woodchipper that takes creativity and thoughtfulness in one end and spews insipid, generic horse shit out the other. The second something you love gets the "yo we sold the fuck out but your new venture capitalist overlords totes care about keeping with the original spirit of the project k thx cya" email you should mentally prepare for them to fuck it into the dirt. Don't bother sticking around to watch it slowly be morphed into a pile of broad consumer appeal focused beige slime, find alternatives. No amount of bitching or cute little e protests will stop the money machine from rolling you the fuck over.
 
Changemyview seems like just a sub for Liberal types to write small brochures on why right wing thought is wrong. All highly upvoted posts are just someone getting dunked on for being conservative. And it always likes getting on r/all.
Like this one on trans surgery for children, the top comment is basically drowned in gold and acts as a perfect copypaste take that at eviiiil bigots.

Just to quote some nonsense from that top upvoted comment:

"They will carry physical and psychological scars from being forced through the wrong puberty for the rest of their lives. They were robbed of their adolescence, forced to spend it dealing with the living hell... the wrong puberty, trying to remain sane and alive while their bodies were warped in indescribably horrifying ways."

Going through normal puberty is having your body warped in indescribably horrifying ways, apparently.


"But if an adolescent starts this treatment, socially transitions (or continues if they have already done so), and by their early/mid-teens they still strongly identify as a gender atypical to their appearance at birth, the chances of them changing their minds later are basically zero."

So where do all the detransitioners come from? If there is basically zero chance of them changing their mind?


"The only disorders more common among trans people are those associated with abuse and discrimination - mainly anxiety and depression."

That's weird because this study says they're much more likely to be autistic
And redditors gilded this crap about 70 times
 
trying to remain sane and alive while their bodies were warped in indescribably horrifying ways."
So they just...grew up to be normal humans? I'm sorry but "indescribably horrifying ways" doesn't really fit as a descriptor for literally one of the most normal thing to happen to teens. If anything is horrifying, it's all the botched genital and top surgeries and how artificial hormones can fuck people's bodies up.
 
Just to quote some nonsense from that top upvoted comment:

"They will carry physical and psychological scars from being forced through the wrong puberty for the rest of their lives. They were robbed of their adolescence, forced to spend it dealing with the living hell... the wrong puberty, trying to remain sane and alive while their bodies were warped in indescribably horrifying ways."

Going through normal puberty is having your body warped in indescribably horrifying ways, apparently.


"But if an adolescent starts this treatment, socially transitions (or continues if they have already done so), and by their early/mid-teens they still strongly identify as a gender atypical to their appearance at birth, the chances of them changing their minds later are basically zero."

So where do all the detransitioners come from? If there is basically zero chance of them changing their mind?


"The only disorders more common among trans people are those associated with abuse and discrimination - mainly anxiety and depression."

That's weird because this study says they're much more likely to be autistic
And redditors gilded this crap about 70 times
I mean, you can simply ask them, that if going through normal puberty makes all these 1000s of trans children suicidal - then where are the millions of trans children across history commiting suicide? Before the invention of modern medicine?
 
"But if an adolescent starts this treatment, socially transitions (or continues if they have already done so), and by their early/mid-teens they still strongly identify as a gender atypical to their appearance at birth, the chances of them changing their minds later are basically zero."

So where do all the detransitioners come from? If there is basically zero chance of them changing their mind?
See, there isn't a subreddit for detransitioning anymore, so it doesn't exist as a concept. Checkmate, theists.
 
Also funny to watch the faggots sperg out worse than the meme when you call a Jew a Jew.

They literally act like that stereotype and its not even a conspiracy theory :story:

Cant even unironically Imagine banning someone over the words "Cunt, Nigger, or Faggot" when these same ban happy spergs are all too happy to try and curb you from even saying basic shit like "I like the color of the Leaf." without sperging about "muh racysysym andz nigger oppresshayun!" despite the US having a Nigger president for two consecutive terms just before this race war 2.0 shit kept being shilled last year.
On top of them saying those words themselves.

:story: Really lends credence to the existence of Military operations like "Operation Earnest Voice" around the globe and the sockpuppets purposely being lolcows online and only allowing members of their clique to slide into positions with ban hammers all over the internet.

With the Arab spring being one of the first modern tests of the military applications of the internet that theyre so paranoid about with the huge push for censorship over the later part of the 2010's to present when in reality, no one is ever going to actually do any of that bullshit organically and rebel against anything and they really need to stop foaming at the mouth with their sockpuppet organizations and control themselves.

Theyre so paranoid over basic shit like censoring pepe memes that mean nothing instead of just not fucking up their home life back home into a dystopian hellscape of their own creation while chasing a non-existent boogeyman and wondering why everything sucks so much now.
 
Changemyview seems like just a sub for Liberal types to write small brochures on why right wing thought is wrong. All highly upvoted posts are just someone getting dunked on for being conservative. And it always likes getting on r/all.
Like this one on trans surgery for children, the top comment is basically drowned in gold and acts as a perfect copypaste take that at eviiiil bigots.
The top commentor is seriously arguing that puberty blockers are 100% safe and have absolutely no side effects. What a fucking lunatic.
I looked into them assuming it's yet another pedo troon, but it appears to be a ftm troon instead. They are "super happy" with their phalloplasty.


As expected they enjoy spending time looking for wrongthink subs to report to the jannies.
 
What do you guys think of a CW thread on the sexual degenerates of reddit? Ie ABDLs, littles, those obscure fetish communities, places like r/MysogynyLife (run by a troon, of course) or r/ftmspunished.
I could share them here but I feel those kinds of discussions often get derailled because of the political stuff and I personally dont care much for reddit politics but you guys clearly do and I dont want to shit up your discussions.

So what do you think? Ive been on reddit for a while but I always keep finding new fascinatingly weird shit.
 
What do you guys think of a CW thread on the sexual degenerates of reddit? Ie ABDLs, littles, those obscure fetish communities, places like r/MysogynyLife (run by a troon, of course) or r/ftmspunished.
I could share them here but I feel those kinds of discussions often get derailled because of the political stuff and I personally dont care much for reddit politics but you guys clearly do and I dont want to shit up your discussions.

So what do you think? Ive been on reddit for a while but I always keep finding new fascinatingly weird shit.
I think it might be too broad of a topic, with a bit too much overlap with other CW threads
maybe if you find a particularly big, particularly lolcowish fetish sub, it might justify its own thread
 
I think it might be too broad of a topic, with a bit too much overlap with other CW threads
maybe if you find a particularly big, particularly lolcowish fetish sub, it might justify its own thread
How about littles, abdl, ddlg, and all the related communities?
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepo..._of_the_subreddit_victims_of_our_own_success/ [x]

Big drama about Anti-Evil Operations in a politics sub. AEO keeps removing comments that are even slightly critical of troons, so the jannies of r/ModeratePolitics have decided to blanket ban any threads on "gender identity, the transgender experience, and the laws that may affect these topics". It just isn't possible to talk about this stuff on reddit anymore without risking your sub getting shut down.

Discussion about this in r/Stupidpol: https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/mlb9fo/rmoderatepolitics_mods_ban_all_discussion_on/ [x]

Some janny wrote up an explanation:

Againsthatesubreddits is on the case. Deciding that you need to protect your community from anti evil by stopping discussion of a topic due to opaque rules being used to target your community makes you a "full on hate sub in the making".

It is now not enough to avoid a topic altogether, you must allow the topic and only allow posts on one side of the issue or you are accused of trying to "keep your fascists around."

What do you guys think of a CW thread on the sexual degenerates of reddit? Ie ABDLs, littles, those obscure fetish communities, places like r/MysogynyLife (run by a troon, of course) or r/ftmspunished.
I could share them here but I feel those kinds of discussions often get derailled because of the political stuff and I personally dont care much for reddit politics but you guys clearly do and I dont want to shit up your discussions.

So what do you think? Ive been on reddit for a while but I always keep finding new fascinatingly weird shit.

I think Fionacat is featured on the Aimee Challenor thread. But this subreddit appears to be dedicated to people who literally think that they aren't human and identify as another species. As in, not role-playing, but literally. Seems a precursor to, "Okay, yes...animal welfare, I did stick my penis in the dog...but see, I myself am a dog."
 
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