Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[AdmiralRenae]

Yea I would rather watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes or Girls und Panzer over this.

 

[Deadman]

Imagine being yuki kaji the guy idolized eren to keep fighting to the end only for isayama to reduce his character to a genocidal psychopathic incel.

Anyone thinking he's going to drink like hell when its time for the anime to go to shit? (or just storm out, barring any contractual obligation?)

 

[PuffyGroundCloud]

I told you people it was birds. All along every time something plot important happened and a bird flies by it wasn't symbolism the bird literally did it. It was birds. BIRDS.

TFW everyone got so distracted with Pigs, they didn't realized it was birds all along

 

[The Fair Lady]

When i say tokyo ghoul you kneel and apologize
TOKYO GHOUL
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Eh, still not a fan of TG's ending but Ishida was at least honest about his burnout and he has my sympathy.

Isayama's just a loon as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Zarael]

Wow, Ishiyama really faceplanted didn't he. What was the point of all that? Erens character completely destroyed, the entire events of the manga made pointless. I guess he just wanted to wrap it up, but surely he had something better in mind than that originally?

 

[Spatula]

Holy hell the ending is unfiltered piss.

 

[Superman93]

What a complete and utter disappointment lmao

 

[Aib Ld]

two images that aged really well

 

[Gay_Frog]

Wow, Ishiyama really faceplanted didn't he. What was the point of all that? Erens character completely destroyed, the entire events of the manga made pointless. I guess he just wanted to wrap it up, but surely he had something better in mind than that originally?

Do you really thing he had a ending in mind?

 

[Xerxes IX]

Anyone thinking he's going to drink like hell when its time for the anime to go to shit? (or just storm out, barring any contractual obligation?)

Maybe he'll go full Erenfag. (Kidding, but there are so many English voice actors who are massive lolcows that I have to wonder if there are any in the Japanese VA world too)

 

[Protistology]

Do you really thing he had a ending in mind?

He did. He even released the last panel years ago.

Probably his editor told him he couldn't have genocide be the ending of his manga so he said 'fuck it'.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

First off, what happened to Worm-kun? It sounds like he flat-out disappears. It was the source of Ymir's power, so Eren's death shouldn't cause it to die, right?

Eren told the SC and comrades in P A T H S that they had to kill him to stop the Rumbling.

What happened to Eren having a child? If the farmer was the father, then why even bring it up in the first place?

Historia wanted to have a kid that she didn't have to let eat her. Also, I don't think there was any canon indication that Eren would have a kid. Maybe that purported last panel was supposed to be him (it probably was), but I figured that even if it was, it would have been some vision or dream or monologue image rather than actually him.

Why couldn't he just come back as a human and secretly run off with Mikasa?

Because he merked nearly everyone off the face of the planet. He couldn't forgive himself for that-- at least, he didn't figure he could be forgiven.

What was the point of the Rumbling if it didn't help provide safety for Paradis and why would Eren go through with it if he knew that would happen or knew it was a possibility?

His own motivations (as far as they were apparent before this chapter) was to destroy the imminent threat posed to the island by killing most of everyone and offer himself as a grand devil figure to be stopped by his friends who would be hailed as heroes; he also wanted to prevent Eldia from taking the course of action that would result in Historia's family line becoming a breeder lineage that eats their parents for the Beast Titan.

It would seem that, as of this chapter, the grander motivation was actually that he was manipulated by Ymir Fritz into indirectly and directly orchestrating the events of the entire story so that she could be freed from the curse of Simping she suffered (a-a-apparently) for 2,000 years.

It seems like they're still on the verge of war, only now their greatest weapon has been taken away.

Also, why wouldn't everyone who helped stop Eren run the risk of execution if they ever stepped foot on Paradis again? They didn't stop the war, and they lost their greatest weapons. Without the power of the titans, they're basically sitting ducks

War with whom, homes?

That was Eren's plan-- murder nearly everyone and die to prop up his friends as the saviors of humanity (and all the clout that entails) while also giving them long lives untethered by the curse of Ymir. It helps if you understand his motivations as really selfish.

It wasn't a perfect solution (as Yelena said, there are none of those) and it wasn't a final solution, but he all the same entrusts Armin to work out the opportunity that he carved for them out of the blood of millions of innocents and his own life.

Also, why wouldn't everyone who helped stop Eren run the risk of execution if they ever stepped foot on Paradis again?

Protection from the queen.

As with the insistence that Eren murdered nearly all the world because he became Incel Supreme (even though he's quite literally a volcel who viciously distanced himself from his friends and the woman he loved (and who loved him, and did know loved him) so his plan to save their lives would come to fruition), I'm betting pretty much any question anyone has about plot holes is answered in especially this chapter, to the point that it could be argued that much of this chapter has tying up further questions very much in mind.

I think that that reality is a neutral one-- it doesn't by itself make the narrative any worse or better, at least with the way it unfolds. It's certainly not something I'm partial to, though.

What is this about Eren starting the Rumbling because he thought Mikasa wasn't in love with him?

It's a stupid-but-funny joke that exists because it was revealed (or, confirmed, really) in chapter 138 that whether Eren would activate the Rumbling hinged entirely on whether Mikasa told him (presumably) that she loved him as a man. Against all evidence, most thread regulars actually think this joke has argumentative merit and so they pose it as a legitimate criticism.

Would he be willing to sacrifice the lives on Paradis just for Mikasa? That feels like it diminishes his motivations and character.

He was willing to sacrifice the lives of the entire rest of the world for Paradis and so that Historia's bloodline wouldn't be predicated on eating their parents for the continued survival of the island. I, for one, buy a defeated Eren that couldn't choose to genocide the world according to his future vision or condemn Historia's bloodline to parriphagy (it's a word now, deal with it) would retreat into the woods with Mikasa to live out the remainder of his life.

As for why this all happened, I think I may have an idea. I think there is a chance that somebody told Isayama that he couldn't have Eren commit global genocide.

It doesn't feel like he ever intended to have Eren successfully complete global genocide. At the least, the actual deciding point for that cuts much closer to the so-dubbed "Battle of Heaven and Earth". The Rumbling was the series' Checkhov's Gun ever since the end of the Female Titan arc, when they found out about the Wall Titans and Armin theorized that those Titans were going to go out for a walk. When we got to the actual Rumbling event, in the intervening time between the start of the Rumbling and the final confrontation, the motivations of those who would go to fight Eren were already able to be assumed or were established.

Reiner, Falco, Pieck, and Gabi want to save their families. Armin and Mikasa want to stop their friend from doing some heinous shit.

Jean retains his moral and heroic streak that was solidified after Marco's death, and along with Hange reasons that their fallen comrades wouldn't have consented to the genocide of humanity outside the walls regardless of the benefit because they sacrificed their own lives fighting for humanity (if only the humanity they knew). Levi's of the same mind, but better recognizes that the Survey Corps' goals were naive due to their ignorance.

Connie wants to fulfill the promise he made to his mother to be a "splendid soldier who protects people", and that was cemented after he gave up on sacrificing Falco to bring back his mother when he almost reflexively prevented Armin from jumping into her mouth.

Armin and Mikasa, while having the same motivations as the rest of the SC, also just want to stop their friend from doing some heinous shit to completion.

Despite everything, I can't imagine an ending where Eren actually succeeds at killing everyone and comes out alive. I can't imagine a scenario where the honorary Marleyans are refused by the SC as they sit around and let the Rumbling happen in spite of the fact that it's logically the best option they have for neutralizing the threat the rest of the world poses to Paradis. When they all joined forces, a resolution reminiscent of Code Geass was a good bet because it would otherwise waste the thematic value of former enemies (who mostly didn't even hate each other but were forced by the machinations of previous generations to fight each other) coming together to neutralize a world ending threat for what averages out to altruistic reasons, and there isn't any alternative theme that I can think of that would have come out of their failure.

And I have the sneaking suspicion that Isayama was allowed to write Eren committing global genocide... because Eren did commit global genocide. He killed 80% of the world's population and the wreckage is going to fester with insects and scavengers.

I mean, Eren turned into a bird apparently.

It's one of those "unclear happy omens that show your lost loved one is still watching over you maybe" things that some stories do. The value is to make you think "aww" without giving you enough to actually think that you actually saw an afterlife intervention-- it's audience aftercare that also retains the heaviness-of-heart of the loss.

I mean, such a coordinated and purposeful action from a bird wouldn't be expected from anything other than an afterlife intervention from said loved one.

I'm seriously interested in why that's the final panel instead of the realized version of that one sketch. Maybe I misunderstood what that was. Maybe most people did.

 

[verygayFrogs]

The fuck did I walk into

 

[ElAbominacion]

You made me read a shit ton of cope, @Zero Day Defense. Your name rings true.

This ending is, from a narrative, world building and storytelling point of view, completely shit. Also, even if 80% of the world is dead, 20% is already more than ten times Paradis' population.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Maybe he'll go full Erenfag. (Kidding, but there are so many English voice actors who are massive lolcows that I have to wonder if there are any in the Japanese VA world too)

Honestly given how Eren's JP VA was technically responsible for shaping Eren's current arc (since his voice acting for Eren gave Isayama a better understanding of Eren's character) and is a very successful VA who has been in lots of stuff so at worst he may be disappointed, but I think he'll be fine.

However, I think Eren's english VA is going to likely be pissed about the ending especially with him being one of those "Trans Rights uwu" types along with being a funimation VA.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

You made me read a shit ton of cope, @Zero Day Defense. Your name rings true.

Just because everything can be explained, doesn't mean that all of it is good. I'm still trying to figure out whether or not I like the ending (I'm still processing it overall), but it mostly makes sense on a narrative level.

 

[ElAbominacion]

Just because everything can be explained, doesn't mean that all of it is good. I'm still trying to figure out whether or not I like the ending (I'm still processing it overall), but it mostly makes sense on a narrative level.

Ok, that is fair enough for me.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Mostly makes sense on a narrative level? Are you on fucking crack?

 

[Superman93]

I'm still trying to figure out whether or not I like the ending (I'm still processing it overall)

Nah lemme speed up the process a bit, its shit and you don't like it.

 

[Nero You're DeadWeight]

Anyone remember that Akatsuki no Requiem theory AOT ending theory that was TLDR: Eren did the rumble jumbles and he's reflecting on it crap?
So I just was just rewatching the video since I JUST remembered it and there was this part where that bird feather egg thing stabbed the eagle. I'm just going to go on a whim and say "the egg was Eren and he's stabbing Mikasa (eagle) cuz hrrrr I only want ur love!"
But if you read the lyrics my mind goes goes "oho? Eren's incel song when he's a bird I got it".