The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[Sheryl Nome]

I remember the OJ trial came up when I was with some NYC Legal Aid lawyers, who were probably all in the liberal-batshit insane camp and they all thought OJ was guilty but the prosecution failed to prove its case and did really shoddy lawyering, especially with respect to their witnesses and chain of custody. OJ also had the legal equivalent of the Dream Team-Cochran, Kardashian, Shapiro, Dershowitz and F Lee Bailey; it bankrupted him but he walked.

The prosecution has to prove beyond a preponderance of the evidence, which is a pretty high standard; all the defense has to do is poke enough holes in the prosecution's case so it can't meet it while convincing the jury that Chauvin isn't the person responsible for Floyd's death under the statues he's been charged with. Most people don't understand criminal law, even most lawyers don't unless that's what they specialize in. Nelson seems knowledgeable and experienced, going by how many times the judge has overruled the prosecution. He hasn't presented his defense so it's still up in the air, as far I'm concerned.

Lmao, no, the prosecution has to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, not preponderance of the evidence, Preponderance of the evidence is a very low legal standard, its 51%, reasonable doubt is 99%.
I wouldn't gauge things by overruling or whatever, objections and such are tactical sometimes to break flow rather than to truly object, or sometimes you just try because if its a low probability, the win is good for oyu.

I am judging things as blankly as I can, if I'm a juror, using only the information I've gotten in that courtroom up to today, I think Chauvin 100% killed Floyd, its not even close. The defense has a really hard time ahead, nothings sure with a jury but hot damn its going to be hard.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

So what retarded off topic subject is on the menu tonight boys?

 

[Quixotic Man]

I really hope Chauvin is either innocent or get manslaughter.

Watching packs of idiots loot stores, smash windows, and yell at white liberals eating out last summer was the most fun I ever had in my city.

 

[draggs]

Dunno where this guy gets his St. Floyd had lower levels of fentanyl than 94% of DUI cases involving fentanyl, data from 2014 to 2019 showed a mean level of 5.2 +- 3.8 ng/ml with a median of 3.7 ng/ml. Floyd had 11 ng/ml or 19 ng/ml or whatfucking ever. The range in the data was 2.0 - 16.0 ng/ml. The study explicitly stated that these levels posed a risk of overdose and/or death.

 

[SimoHayha]

Lmao, no, the prosecution has to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, not preponderance of the evidence, Preponderance of the evidence is a very low legal standard, its 51%, reasonable doubt is 99%.
I wouldn't gauge things by overruling or whatever, objections and such are tactical sometimes to break flow rather than to truly object, or sometimes you just try because if its a low probability, the win is good for oyu.

I am judging things as blankly as I can, if I'm a juror, using only the information I've gotten in that courtroom up to today, I think Chauvin 100% killed Floyd, its not even close. The defense has a really hard time ahead, nothings sure with a jury but hot damn its going to be hard.

Only one side has taken their turn.

 

[Coccxys]

I came here again after seeing this pushed to literally everyone on twitter
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I haven't seen anything about this guy other than skimming through this thread,
but it looks like social media sites want to make him a martyr.

> higher than 94% of DUI cases.

Bullshit. From the journal of analytic toxicology for Midwest data.

 

[Lil Weed Lova]

So what retarded off topic subject is on the menu tonight boys?

Back to talking about how watching tranny cows made us discover God or something like that.

 

[AnOminous]

This keeps coming up and I know its not just you but I haven't seen any evidence of a heart attack being involved. A lot of people mix up cardiac arrest (heart stopping pumping) with cardiac infarction (heart attack, something blocking blood flow to the cardiac muscle).

I haven't either but the specific findings are in the official autopsy.

The language frankly continues to confuse me. Does anyone have any clue what this is even supposed to mean? It strikes me as gibberish.

Lmao, no, the prosecution has to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, not preponderance of the evidence, Preponderance of the evidence is a very low legal standard, its 51%, reasonable doubt is 99%.

This is definitely not true and will get a case reversed. Generally, neither the prosecution nor the defense is allowed to say "reasonable doubt" is some specific percentage. Doing so gets your case thrown out. It's mistrial level shit.

 

[Merry]

Only one side has taken their turn.

Did everyone forget the disaster that was the first 8 days? Just because the defense didn't get 100 BTFO libtard owned soundclips today doesn't really indicate anything. Not to mention these guys today are professional witnesses, a scummy practice that is often looked upon poorly by jurors.

 

[ShortBusDriver]

What are the chances this trial ends Ellison's career as MN AG ?

Zero

Ellison was an Nation of Islam supporter who spent his his college years ranting about the Jews

He beat the shit out of his girlfriend and she had the hospital records to prove it and nobody cared

He was still runner up to lead the DNC before he got the AG job.

 

[Had]

> higher than 94% of DUI cases.

Bullshit. From the journal of analytic toxicology for Midwest data.

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these are the graphs they are passing around

I also found this clip of the Doctor stating he would have gone into a coma therefore he couldn't have died from fentanyl

 

[Coccxys]

The language frankly continues to confuse me. Does anyone have any clue what this is even supposed to mean? It strikes me as gibberish.

Ah cardiopulmonary arrest is less good (for the defence) than pure cardiac arrest. Cardiac arrest would the heart stopping first (for some reason), cardiopulmonary means he either stopped breathing first or the heart stopped pumping first and they haven't decided which. That leaves choking, strangling etc on the table (ignoring the lack of physical injury to the neck).

Those graphs are essentially saying that the ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl is what's important. Norfentanyl is a metabolite of fentanyl so tells you how much has been processed. All the ratio could tell you is how far into their system it has gotten not the total dose they took. I fail to see the relevance to the point. You could take a kilogram of fentanyl IV and you'd be dead long before you've processed much into norfentanyl so you'd be dead with a very low ratio.

 

[Rob Van Ham]

I notice on this thread there is an awful lot of personal preference in the hope of the outcome.

I'd be interested in a survey that rather than asks "Will be found guilty", is a survey that asks instead "Do you think he murdered the guy, but should get away with it because I don't like the victim."

Because if Derek did this to anyone you know, you'd probably think he was guilty of murder rightly so - so if that holds true, then it must be a dislike for the victim, an undue appreciation of Derek who deserves no accolades and a total disregard for common sense.

Derek is a murderer. So rather than trying to pin hopes to guilty or not guilty, whether the defense wins or not, is there anyone on here who seriously thinks that what this guy did was even close to acceptable? And if so, may I say how fucking low your standards have become for LAW OFFICERS, much like your teachers and other overly represented groups that get an outsized deification for wearing a label.

I think a lot of us in the thread are hoping for not guilty purely because we want to see chaos and laugh at it from afar. Also sneed.

 

[Seminal Ointments Lain]

I think a lot of us in the thread are hoping for not guilty purely because we want to see chaos and laugh at it from afar. Also sneed.

Killing undercover NAFTA Enforcers shouldn't be considered a crime. They're foreign invaders for god's sake.

 

[draggs]

these are the graphs they are passing around
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I also found this clip of the Doctor stating he would have gone into a coma therefore he couldn't have died from fentanyl
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lolWUT

Floyd chewed down multiple pills shortly before dying, which could cause him to overdose but wouldn't show up in a fentanyl/norfentanyl ratio because your body stops the metabolizing process once you're fucking dead.

Drug/metabolite ratio is a really indirect and silly and imprecise way to measure amount of drug in a person's body.

 

[Hackallier]

these are the graphs they are passing around
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Using the ratio? Those graphs are so cherrypicked

 

[Lovecraft's Cat]

If you ask famous dumbass nigger actor Terrence Howard, 1x1=2.
That's according to a branch of maths he calls 'Terryology'.
I'm not kidding.

It's quite simple, really. The expression 1x1=1 doesn't follow the Law of Conservation of Matter 'cause there's two 1's on one side and only one 1 on the other. Geez, you guys are dumb.

 

[TFT-A9]

What are the chances this trial ends Ellison's career as MN AG ?

Very low. If the DV controversy didn't ruin him there's no way this shakes out so badly for him that he has to retire or resign.

 

[Lil Weed Lova]

I think a lot of us in the thread are hoping for not guilty purely because we want to see chaos and laugh at it from afar. Also sneed.

I think the least possible but the most fun outcome would be crooked jury jailing Chauvin for the second degree murder and cops going on a strike as protest or something like that. This way virtually everyone would be fucked AND butthurt AND wrong but that's one hell of a reach.

 

[DumbDude42]

I am judging things as blankly as I can, if I'm a juror, using only the information I've gotten in that courtroom up to today, I think Chauvin 100% killed Floyd, its not even close. The defense has a really hard time ahead, nothings sure with a jury but hot damn its going to be hard.

the question isnt simply if he killed him, as i see it there's three parts to it
>did he intentionally kill him (probably no)
>did he unintentionally cause his death during the arrest, or did the arrest at the very least contribute to his death (probably yes)
>is this excusable because arresting floyd was his duty as an officer of the law (possibly)

chauvin intentionally murking floyd for fun is out of the question imo, thats just nonsense. but chauvins arresting and restraining of floyd at least in part contributing to floyds demise is pretty likely and reasonable, i think nobody can deny that.

the big open question is whether chauvin can be held guilty for doing his job the way he did. floyd was a criminal, chauvin a cop, cops arrest criminals, that's their job. he didn't punch floyd, didnt kick him, didnt beat him with a baton or taze him or pepperspray him or shoot him with a gun. none of the classic 'police brutality' things, he just pinned him to the floor using an established and fairly common technique cops use all over the place, a technique that generally isnt particularly dangerous, far from lethal force. but like any other way of restraining an opponent, it's inherently violent and puts the target under significant pressure and stress, which in this case likely contributed to pushing floyd over the edge of death.

does that constitute murder, or even manslaughter? in my opinion it doesn't, cause chauvin was acting well within his rights (and duty) in restraining floyd the way he did, no excessive force or brutality imo. he should walk, but he probably won't, cause every person in that court room knows that if they let him walk they condemn the whole city to go down in flames, and nobody wants that.