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What is it with Japanese authors/writer's coming up with garbage english names and titles for international audiences.
Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser
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Well, that ending was something. Will this go down in history as one of the worst endings in anime/manga history, along with the likes of Oreimo, Domestic na Kanojo, and Usagi Drop and be remembered forever for its terribleness? Or will the series just fade from popular memory like (ironically) Game of Thrones?
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It will be a divisive ending since unlike the GOT ending which was universally hated, Attack on Titan's ending is more divisive. The feelings of the ending seem to hinge whether you were rooting for Eren or the Alliance to win and how invested you were in the story, since massive Eren fanboys who called themselves Yaegerists are crying and throwing tantrums about the ending while people pro-Alliance either thought the ending was either okay or slobbering all over Isayama's cock declaring it a masterpiece.
EDIT: It doesn't help when I go on Youtube and Twitter I see people either loving or hating the ending.
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I don't even think there's anything structurally wrong with the ending, it was built up to and it's not particularly confusing, it's just that the final chapter is kinda boring and does the absolute bare minimum. It's unsatisfying. Like a lot of manga really the authors all give up after they finish the climax. Reading it a second time with the official translation I can barely even muster up any positive or negative emotions. I'll have to wait and see how I feel about the series as a whole but I can say for sure that the ending is just sorta there. That's my best summary of the ending, "it's there".
See the previous chapter was interesting and impactful, the final rush at Eren, the tie in to the first chapter, that insane kiss, perfect! I would almost want to end the series there, the chapter could go on for ten more pages of epilogue after the kiss and that's it, it would be just grand if sudden. That kiss sums up the series perfectly. Instead it meanders for fifty pages without giving us any meaningful or new information on the world or it's characters beyond the absolute minimum. I liked that Eren and Armin had one last talk, I liked the shot of Shiganshina without the walls years later, and it was funny as hell to be vindicated on the birds being behind everything (how does Eren have bird powers I get that it's an Odin reference but HOW), but other than that it was just kinda meh. Not "omg this is terrible" just meh. It's not the worst manga ending in history and not even as bad as some people are saying, it's just another unsatisfying manga ending.
Maybe I'll change my mind for better or worse as my thoughts settle, but it's at least nowhere near as bad as The Promised Neverland, that was a trashfire even before the end. I can think of a few other similar series with worse endings too. Maybe the anime can do something with it idk. I really hope they at least bring in some actual 2D animation for this arc in the anime since I loved all the titan designs and the fights between them oh who am I kidding it's gonna be ps2 models the whole way through. They'll nail the quiet parts though.
Anyways I'm still looking forward to the final page of the high school spinoff when the last volume comes out, that shit's been a riot and I'm sad to see it go.
See the previous chapter was interesting and impactful, the final rush at Eren, the tie in to the first chapter, that insane kiss, perfect! I would almost want to end the series there, the chapter could go on for ten more pages of epilogue after the kiss and that's it, it would be just grand if sudden. That kiss sums up the series perfectly. Instead it meanders for fifty pages without giving us any meaningful or new information on the world or it's characters beyond the absolute minimum. I liked that Eren and Armin had one last talk, I liked the shot of Shiganshina without the walls years later, and it was funny as hell to be vindicated on the birds being behind everything (how does Eren have bird powers I get that it's an Odin reference but HOW), but other than that it was just kinda meh. Not "omg this is terrible" just meh. It's not the worst manga ending in history and not even as bad as some people are saying, it's just another unsatisfying manga ending.
Maybe I'll change my mind for better or worse as my thoughts settle, but it's at least nowhere near as bad as The Promised Neverland, that was a trashfire even before the end. I can think of a few other similar series with worse endings too. Maybe the anime can do something with it idk. I really hope they at least bring in some actual 2D animation for this arc in the anime since I loved all the titan designs and the fights between them oh who am I kidding it's gonna be ps2 models the whole way through. They'll nail the quiet parts though.
Anyways I'm still looking forward to the final page of the high school spinoff when the last volume comes out, that shit's been a riot and I'm sad to see it go.
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The problem with MGS5 is that A we had an ending with 4 and B The bullshit twist with Venom Snake effectively fucked up and then some, Big Boss's entire arc and more to the point, felt like Kojima wanted to salt the earth in the case that Konami FINALLY got around to remaking OG Metal Gear 1-2, which he knew fans were eagerly expecting for the sake of bringing the entire saga full circle.
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what the hell i just didn't like the subtitle cause it's clunky and thought that its adoption as the primary title in the English localization muddied the title drop moment in ch.85 or whichever chapter it was
why you gotta come at me like that just for that
You expect people who don't speak English to come up with English names and titles that aren't garbage? It's not like the Japanese know the difference regardless of how much English they can speak, they just think English looks cooler.
The bigger question is why there are titles that read like the titles for early Christian treatises and are effectively complete summaries of the premise.
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Whole story seems pretty bonkers, if not anticlimactic. I think only 80% means that the conflict would inevitably start up all over again, just with tanks and submarines and battleships.
EoE was leagues better than this. Eren's character arc seems particularly ironic when you think about what Eren ended up becoming, compared to how he started.
The whole story is just incredibly messy, dogpiled with elements it didn't need (time travel, muh PATHS, etc.) on top of absurd plot points (PIIIIIGS). It would benefit from a little fat trimming.
EoE was leagues better than this. Eren's character arc seems particularly ironic when you think about what Eren ended up becoming, compared to how he started.
The whole story is just incredibly messy, dogpiled with elements it didn't need (time travel, muh PATHS, etc.) on top of absurd plot points (PIIIIIGS). It would benefit from a little fat trimming.
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Lol at this piece of shit trying to pull a Chars counterattack. That scene with Eren showing his true lolcow self reminded me to how pathetic Char was during the end of the film, difference being Char is better written and he was always shown as a pitiful creep, he had a fitting ending. But somehow Eren gets to be remembered as some legendary hero despite his autism, that's just awful. It gives a dangerous message but since those who love this shit seem to be potential school shooters and rapists anyway then they got the ending they deserve.
2/10 cool concept at the beginning. Would not recommend, read Sonichu for your virgin with rage story needs instead.
2/10 cool concept at the beginning. Would not recommend, read Sonichu for your virgin with rage story needs instead.
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How do you make a messy ending worse than this? Give me one! GIVE ME ONE!
Game of thrones is at least equal to this tbh.
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I can’t enjoy How I Met Your Mother anymore due to how bad the final episode was.
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Bleach's ending is definitely up there.
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So, there’s two kinds of bad endings. In the first kind, everything’s going mostly fine, until things take an abrupt turn into a complete dumpster fire. With endings like this, it’s usually pretty easy to “fix”, because the problem is literally with JUST the ending, and not the integrity of the story as a whole. If you really wanted to, it wouldn’t be hard to write a fix-fic of the finale and keep everything else intact. I haven’t read Domestic Girlfriend (dropped it after hearing about the ending) nor Oreimo, but from what I’ve heard, they seem to fall into this category, where it’s literally the choice of the protagonist at the end (which can be easily changed with no impact on the rest of the story) that makes the ending “bad”. Another example of this would be Darling in the FranXX, where everything’s pretty solid up until the aliens which come out of fucking nowhere. Take away the aliens and it’s easy to fix-fic a more sensible ending. The Evangelion anime would’ve 100% fallen into this category as well, except they released End of Eva a year after the anime aired, basically fix-ficcing their own wacky ending.
ON THE OTHER HAND, you have a different class of “bad ending” where it’s not so much any one thing about the finale that makes it bad - it’s more that the story had already been decaying for a while, and people were telling themselves that surely the finale would make everything better, and when the finale DOESN’T, they’re forced to face the realization that the story hasn’t been good for a long time. GoT fits the bill, because before season 8, people were willing to put up with the cuts and changes and shitty parts of the later seasons on the promise of a good finale. However, when that stinker of a final season dropped, it made people realize that it was all just COPE and that they’d wasted their time hoping for a redemption that never came.
Another example I like bringing up is motherfucking HOMESTUCK. Back in the day, SO many people were hoping that the finale would justify and make up for the long, boring slog that was the penultimate “act”, which literally took up HALF of the comic’s 8000 page runtime. When it turned out to NOT actually tie up many (or any, really) of the loose plot threads and ALSO completely ignore character dialogues and interactions (in what was previously a very character-driven story), people were fucking PISSED despite the ending itself technically not being bad when viewed out-of-context. Of course, after the finale dropped, the new COPE became “just wait for the epilogue, that’s the REAL ending of Homestuck!” Then, a few years later, the epilogue dropped and it was unreadable Tumblr-tier garbage (despite having some interesting ideas here and there). That’s pretty much when Homestuck died for real: like Game of Thrones, it was legitimately one of the biggest internet fanbases of the 2010’s... now completely dead silent. With endings like that, you can’t “fix” it without rewriting massive chunks of the story, usually rewriting entire plot lines and character arcs/motivations. These sorts of endings COMPLETELY destroy the narrative integrity of everything that came before - or more accurately, they blow away the smoke that allowed naive fans to think that the story HAD a narrative integrity, a grand plan that would be revealed by the ending.
I definitely get the impression that AOT falls into this latter category. Whether or not it’ll be forgotten wil hinge on how the anime ending is received. I think it’s fair to say that AOT is one of the most-hyped shows of this “generation”, and when the hype is that big, the disappointment of a subpar ending will only hurt more.
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If this is about worst endings then I have a few things to say.
In terms of recent media I think GOT is objectively the worst ending since it pissed off literally everyone to the point it is no longer discussed in the pop culture sphere (the last time I have ever heard of it discussed was it being in Space Jam 2), at least people liked the Attack on Titan's ending.
But for my personal takes in terms of endings in general these endings are probably worse for me on the top of my head:
- Rise of Skywalker
- Parasyte
- FMA 2003
- Last of Us 2
- Tokyo Ghoul
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I actually think the on was intended to to keep some of the double meaning, something like "Attack on, Titan!" In general its just a really hard wordplay to translate and it doesn't work well in English, especially since when that title was made nobody knew about most of its real implications.
EoE was great and a terrible comparison. EoE fits into the show well and rectifies an unclear ending that made no sense without it. I don't know why people keep comparing them. AoT's ending was just nonsensical and contradictory to everything set up before it. I genuinely think the copers might be right that the ending was changed last minute for one reason or another, because it just doesn't line up with any of the characters developments, and is just terribly written. The decline started in the last 15 chapters or so, but it really fell off a cliff at the end in particular. Either Iseyama had no idea how he intended to end it (which contradicts him drawing one of the last panels in 2018, which felt very out of place in the final chapter I might add), or he had to make changes late in the story. Any of the minimal foreshadowing for poor decisions at the end appeared in the last 15 chapters or so, and contradicts everything before it, its just trash. For a series that had excellent character interactions at its peek, its really just pathetic how out of character almost everyone acts at the end. I think the worm is a great example or how shit was added in last minute. Its an explanation for titans that doesn't even need to exist at all, and the way its just written off leaves you with more questions than if they never explained it at all. I would've been more satisfied with "Ymir just had titan powers and passed it down", than "Ymir met a super worm in a pond and passed that down" with no explanation for what the fuck the worm is in the first place.
Game of Thrones at least has the cope that the novels technically aren't over, even if Martin will never finish them. This is definitively the ending for AoT, and its much worse off for it. However, it feels very similar to GoT for me where its a show that is absolutely phenomenal at its peak, but I can't recommend it to people the way I would before its conclusion because it just sours the entire experience overall. A true shame.
The people I see praising it are the type of people that will praise anything. They're the type of people that would watch paint dry and insist it was good if they had decided they like it before. The lowest common denominator that will take any part of a story as long as its a brand they like, even if its betrayed everything that made it good in the first place.
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The Last of Us 2, and Mass Effect 3, also come to mind.
Would those same praisers be the same kind of people that would also love TLOU2?
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I mean not really everyone since people have praised it but pointed out their own issues with it, heck I liked it (moreso found it okay) but there were issues. Not everyone who likes something is a brain dead idiot and people can see a work of fiction or really anything differently from how you see it. Are there idiots blindly praising Attack on Titan's ending because they never found faults prior or for dumb reasons? Sure there are, people can also not like the ending and they don't need to be a fanboy of Eren (like most of the people who hate it) to hate it.
I'm saying this not to defend anything, but more that I find this whole grandstanding on how people who have different opinions than you being slobbering soy-guzzling bugmen to be extremely autistic.
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I'm mainly referring the the types of people claiming its a masterpiece and such. If you think its okay and have issues that fine, though I personally disagree. I don't think this was a story where it was difficult to have a good ending, there was plenty of good setup, and many directions it could've been taken that would've worked well. There's just too much that felt poorly executed, and often with little reason.
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Oh yeah I have seen those so I can get your point, and it doesn't help that there is a Anituber making a pretentious 2 hour video about how Attack on Titan is the deepest work of fiction.
Like I personally was just along for the ride and think there could've been some things to fix the ending and there were some major issues with the story (I'll discuss in another post probably), so the ending sort of brought at least one of those issues to the forefront (that issue being Founder Ymir) and it was annoying.
But as for fanbase stuff, I think Attack on Titan will still be talked about since the ending was a bit open ended and it's a very divisive ending that is a love or hate sort of situation. If the anime is faithful to the manga then it will stay that way as well (unless the anime shits the bed or adds some original scenes to expand on it that fans complained about with the manga currently). Still find /a/'s meltdown over the ending to be the most hilarious thing I've seen all week especially with their new copes.