Opinion Section 230 Isn't The Problem, Payment Networks Are


Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is one of the most important pieces of legislation in American history. Passed into law in 1996, it has overseen the entirety of the consumer Internet’s development. Its premise is simple: Internet service providers and platform operators are not responsible for civil damages that result from user-generated content that they host or manage. These protections are why the United States is the first choice for hosting any digital service. Without them, the entire world would suffer a less free Internet.

I have operated a controversial website called the Kiwi Farms for 8 years and was featured in ZeroHedge in 2019 after telling New Zealand police I would not be surrendering my user’s information to them. My website thrives and doubles in size each year, primarily thanks to Section 230. I can allow my users to say almost anything they want without having to worry about being sued for what they say. Without these essential protections, I would not be able to host in the United States.

Unfortunately, Section 230 has been defamed as the reason Facebook, Twitter, Google, et al behave the way they do. This is not true. These businesses censor because they have personal motivations to do so. More importantly, they have financial motivations to do so.

I hope to convince a reasonable person that:

1. Payment networks must be regulated to give fair access.
2. Section 230 is essential and modifying it harms online speech.
3. Big tech does not need Section 230, but you do.
4. You should learn how to use cryptocurrencies right now.

The payment networks are more powerful than big tech.
Without the consent of all four major payment networks to stay in business, even mighty tech giants are vulnerable to lose billions of dollars in revenue. The various agreements enforced by the four major payment networks (MasterCard, Visa, Amex, and Discover) impose rules that any business wanting to exist in the digital economy must obey. Not all these rules are written.

The big payment networks like to stay out of the public eye. They avoid attention by using blacklists which they claim only banks can add to, but which they manage and share. You also never deal with the payment network directly. An eCommerce site passes your credit card information to a “payment gateway”, which is plugged into a “payment processor”, and that payment processor handles communications with the payment networks. Each of these are usually different companies. When you get banned from processing payments, you are told so by your payment gateway or payment processor, but the decision can come from much higher up. If it were, you’d be lucky to find out.

Consider a company like Patreon. They are an online crowdfunding service which handles donations from many supporters to many online content creators. Patreon has its own rules, uses Stripe as a payment gateway and payment processor, agrees to Stripe’s terms of service, and then Stripe coordinates with all major payment networks which each have their own set of agreements. That means every creator on Patreon must obey six different sets of rules. If the gateway were its own company, it would be seven. It is no wonder so many people get banned, as only the most tepid and inoffensive content creators could hope to meet so many different standards!

Patreon must keep Stripe happy to stay in business, and Stripe must keep all four payment networks happy to stay in business. If any one of MasterCard, Visa, Amex, or Discover pass a rule, then it affects the entire downstream ecosystem. If Discover (5% of the market) says an industry or behavior is prohibited, then Stripe must enforce that rule on all the merchants on their service (even merchants who do not process Discover). If Discover were to cut ties with Stripe, then Stripe would lose at least 5% of their transactions over night and any merchants who do want to process Discover cards. That is a large and dramatic blow to any company operating on small margins.

I do not claim it is MasterCard’s fault that Twitter banned Trump. I am sure Twitter makes many stupid decisions all on its own. The problem is that these rules—how they are enforced, the secrecy in which they are enforced, and unappealable finality of these decisions—stifle competition. Startups like Gab quickly find themselves told they are not allowed to make money. This problem has never existed before on the scale that it does now.

This phenomenon transcends the type of startup. All alt-tech is trodden upon equally. Patreon competitor New Project 2 was first banned from a payment processor at the demand of Discover, then after finding a new payment processor was put on MATCH (the MasterCard blocklist), prohibiting the company from ever finding another payment processor. If Dick Masterson (the owner of NP2) made a new company to try and get around MATCH for the purpose of continuing NP2, he would very likely find his person on that blocklist directly, ending all his businesses at once.

These blocklists, and the risk management factors which decide who goes on them, are “trade secrets” and you cannot even sue to figure out why you were added to them. New Project 2 was blacklisted for “Violation of Standards”, which prohibits it from even using so-called high-risk processors. Nobody knows what “Violation of Standards” means. Dick only found some details of New Project 2’s blacklisting because he called the banks and annoyed the right people for days until they reluctantly admitted who was actually at fault. Payment networks claim they do not add merchants to the blacklists, and that only partner banks can, but they will call these banks and tell them to do it on their behalf, and the banks are not in any position to refuse.

PayPal has not been mentioned so far, but rest assured they are one of the most egregious and will drop you first. BitChute, a video platform competing with YouTube, was banned from PayPal. ZeroHedge itself is banned from using PayPal. To this day, because of my association with the Kiwi Farms, I cannot use the Uber app to get a taxi because Uber uses PayPal to process credit cards and I am banned from PayPal.

Before we regulate the Internet, why don’t we try to regulate the payment networks?
Give the market a fair chance at competing with tech giants by enforcing fair access to credit and debit card processing!

The Office of the Comptroller of Currency proposed new regulation which would require banks (and the services they run, including payment networks) to stop industry blacklisting and require specific examples of risk to ban a merchant from processing cards. It was called Fair Access to Financial Services (OCC-2020-0042-0001).

These “fair access” rules were finalized on January 14th, 2021. They were set to take effect on April 1st. Placing this on April Fool’s Day was a bit too prescient, because the Chairman immediately resigned after passing this rule, and the fair access rule was formally put on an indefinite pause on January 28th, 2021 – one week after Biden assumed office.

This rule was politicized as a way for Republicans to force poor, innocent multinational trillion dollar banking institutions to do business with ‘evil’ industries like oil drilling and the NRA. The Chairman of the OCC made note that it should be an act of congress to regulate those industries, not unilaterally enforced by nameless risk management committees behind closed doors.

It is unlikely that payment network regulation will find bipartisan support. The payment networks do a good job of picking their targets. Controversial but left-leaning organizations like Nation of Islam appear to have no issue processing cards, despite their virulent antisemitism rivaling anything found on Gab. Perhaps if Planned Parenthood suddenly needed cash upfront to perform abortions things would change. Until then, free speech will be clustered alongside weapons and Alaskan oil prospecting as an industry that is safe to punch down at.

So, if bankers are above regulation for now, why not regulate social media?

We have already amended Section 230 and it sucked.
There are holes poked into Section 230 protections already. When Section 230 was first passed in 1996, Congress effectively legalized piracy. Platforms were immunized even from copyright infringement damages. So, if pirates could stay anonymous, there was no one to sue for distributing copies of movies.

To patch the piracy loophole, in 1998, we passed the DMCA. This act created the process for the copyright takedown system that is infamous on websites like YouTube. Rights Holders can now take down copyrighted content and sue the services directly if they refuse to comply. Unfortunately, the process created is so sloppy and awful it is a continuous nightmare for a host like me (and everyone on YouTube) to deal with.

For one, there is no recourse for flagrant or malicious DMCA takedowns. There is no requirement that the person sending the DMCA prove they own the copyright, to have a copyright ID, to be an attorney, or anything to that effect. I routinely receive copyright complaints that I must take seriously for content they don’t even own. OnlyFans (a Grand Cayman company) makes it clear in their Terms of Service that they do not own the content they host. Despite that, OnlyFans routinely sends me DMCA takedown notices for their 3rd party content through a man out of California who is not an attorney. This is a total farce, and there is nothing I can do. I still must reply with a counter notice, but they never take it to court and I never even hear back. I have no legal recourse against this abuse.

This will be everything online if further loopholes were carved into Section 230. Imagine if defamation was handled the same way the copyright system is. Random trolls could issue takedowns for your Tweets and Facebook posts. You would have to send a legal counter notice with your real name and address to the troll to reinstate your messages. There would be no validations in place. Your speech would be at the mercy of the whims of insane people online.

In this environment where platforms could be held liable for things said on their websites, only the richest of them could afford survival. I am currently dealing with two lawsuits. They are completely baseless, insane ramblings from insane people, but they will still cost a lot of money to deal with. There is no way to get fees from them because they have nothing to take. Without Section 230, I would lose a layer of protection enabling me to deal with these lawsuits for much less than it would if we had to take it to trial. It would destroy the site, especially since I cannot charge cards normally to generate consistent revenue to fund my defenses with.

President Trump and people in general seem desperate just for revenge. The rabble directed towards Section 230 is out of anger. “If only this blow were delivered and 230 were repealed,” they think, “Twitter would be plunged into financial ruin overnight.” Maybe a Samson Option is what we need?

Unfortunately, it is not so simple. Twitter would adapt and become more censorious to reduce its civil liabilities. All US search engines would have their results curated by anyone willing to complain about defamation—including, and perhaps especially, by public figures with something to hide. The smaller and less profitable sites hosted out of the US (Gab, Parler, 4chan, 8kun, Kiwi Farms, Encyclopedia Dramatica, thousands of small, federated services and communities) would either be destroyed outright, forced go private, or driven out of the United States. It would be a total disaster for the little guys.

Jack Posobiec made a comment recently that Justice Clarence Thomas had ruled Section 230 was unconstitutional. This is not true. The opinion he cited as ‘sauce’ was not case law, but rather an opinion in the strictest sense. Thomas did not even claim Section 230 was unconstitutional. This misinformation was seen hundreds of thousands of times and further defamed the public perception of a law we rely on to even conduct these conversations about Section 230 online.

So, if we can’t regulate the banks and Section 230 is actually good, what can we do?
What Clarence Thomas actually suggested was that we might have to regulate the supermassive tech companies as ‘common carriers’ or utilities. Regulating only the largest social media networks could work. You can either be a monopoly, or you can be unregulated, you cannot be both. I maintain that regulating payment networks first would be ideal, but that will not happen.

There is some hope that FedNow, an atrociously named US answer to SEPA, could offer some relief to this payment network bottleneck on speech. I am not optimistic for it, but it is good for more people to know it is supposedly in development.

Cryptocurrencies bypass the payment network bottleneck now.
The more people who know how to transact in cryptocurrency, the freer the Internet will be. Sites like buybitcoinworldwide.com (not an affiliate url) contain simple guides on how to get into the ecosystem regardless of your country. You do not have to invest any money in. Just learn how crypto works, how to get it, and how to send it. That knowledge cannot be taken away from you—and it might prove useful, sooner rather than later.
 
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What is the point of the pseudonym author name when just under it you tell them who wrote it? Why not just give credit to the penned author when they aren't afraid to give their name? I knew the Office of the Comptroller of Currency passing regulation, that favors everyone, was going to be too good to be true.

There are a lot of similarities with the $15 minimum wage and amending 230 and the masses don't question why big corps are pushing for both. With 230, big corps can finally roll out their hyper strict bots that they've developed, and the smaller sites parish because they don't have such tools. $15 minimum wage cripples smaller businesses and they will ultimately parish, but big corps can hold out and will recoup their loses when there aren't any competitors anymore.
 
Cryptocurrencies bypass the payment network bottleneck now.
The more people who know how to transact in cryptocurrency, the freer the Internet will be. Sites like buybitcoinworldwide.com (not an affiliate url) contain simple guides on how to get into the ecosystem regardless of your country. You do not have to invest any money in. Just learn how crypto works, how to get it, and how to send it. That knowledge cannot be taken away from you—and it might prove useful, sooner rather than later.
Ok feel free to call me retarded, but how exactly will crypto save people? People needed to join shit like coinbase to give you crypto as mining isn't viable anymore, they joined, sent you bitcoin and got banned. Given joining requires an ID due to KYC, it's likely the ban is permanent and the exchange could always inform other exchanges as everything is tied to your ID. It seems like it's easy to cut people off, just like payment processors.
You could argue people can set up single use wallets, but bitcoin is tracable and it's not exactly hard to figure out who owns the new wallet that recieved $50, that passed on $50 to you. I think tumblers make it harder to trace, but not impossible.

Most places still don't accept crypto as a form of currency. Bitcoin is like gold, sure it's liquid and you can trade it for goods/services with a few people. But generally you need to turn it into fiat before being able to access most goods/services. How is bitcoin turned into fiat? Use an ATM which demands an ID or sell it to other people which requires a bank account or paypal. You may say you don't want fiat, but again you can't buy groceries with bitcoin.
IMO crypto looks just as regulated as fiat. Sure you can get your monero anonymously, but you can't actually use it to pay rent, buy food, etc.

I hope things get better for you with the payment processors, but I am still not sold on crypto being viable as a currency. People only really seem to use it as an investment. Sorry to blackpill.
 
I hope things get better for you with the payment processors, but I am still not sold on crypto being viable as a currency. People only really seem to use it as an investment. Sorry to blackpill.
Crypto can and frequently is used without any exchange, just like cash. For many normies it's the most convenient way, but in Ukraine I paid rent selling Bitcoin to a woman in an office building guarded by a guy with grenades.
 
Crypto can and frequently is used without any exchange, just like cash. For many normies it's the most convenient way, but in Ukraine I paid rent selling Bitcoin to a woman in an office building guarded by a guy with grenades.
Ok, but what about electricity, food and water?
Pretty cool to hear that Ukraine uses it as a currency through, was that the only country you saw it used more as a currency? In the UK I have only ever seen it in the context of an investment. Maybe London is different, but it's still very niche and impractical in my region.
 
Good, now get on some livestreams to increase the audience more.
there are plenty of more serious livestreams out there and it would be fascinating to have you and some not stupid host speaking about this.
 
Crypto can and frequently is used without any exchange, just like cash. For many normies it's the most convenient way, but in Ukraine I paid rent selling Bitcoin to a woman in an office building guarded by a guy with grenades.
With how much Bitcoin has spiked in price in the last year, have you ever looked at how much you gave would be priced today? Pretty based for an old (assuming) woman to take Bitcoin as payment; she has good foresight.
 
Not to mention, abolishing 230 obliterates competition from the market, as Big Tech can afford fines and lawsuits and has a large enough userbase that censoring and banning to avoid lawsuits and criminal charges doesn't hurt their bottom line significantly. Small upstarts can't deal with any of this. There's a reason why we haven't heard any faggots from Silicon Valley fighting to save 230. Getting rid of it will only make their lives easier.

Null, how wise is it to simply buy crypto as an investment and let it rise and fall over decades instead of actively using it for transactions? How likely is it to be collapsed by the government like they're trying to do with Odysee?
 
That was your first mistake.
What did Trump say that you believed?
Orange man said it was bad. Expecting more than that was your second mistake.
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Lol at anyone who is stupid enough to trust Vox Day with his retarded payment processor, he will do what he always does: make a big deal out of his "brand new idea," get pounded in the ass by the actual professionals, and then take the money and run away with it.

I am also loling at Jack Posobiec crapping the bed on Section 230 but he's also a proud Slavnigger so we can't expect him to be intelligent. Oh well.

Part of the anger around 230 is that it isn't enforced, which is a big problem with the law in general. If 230 was enforced then many of these problems would simply disappear because Silicon Valley would be scared shitless. But you know how that goes.

Sooner or later someone's going to get up in the morning with the intent to fuck Twitter and Facebook and all the others. At that point Section 230 simply won't matter. I question if it matters even now since so many places simply flout it. But oh well.

Decent article Null.
 
With how much Bitcoin has spiked in price in the last year, have you ever looked at how much you gave would be priced today? Pretty based for an old (assuming) woman to take Bitcoin as payment; she has good foresight.
Oh I'd be incredibly wealthy if I could have held. The 100 ETH I bought for $1ea would be over $200,000 today. The problem is that I've had to spend it to support myself those years.

I'll probably never be seriously wealthy thanks to crypto, but I will hopefully have enough for my limited aspirations.
 
Part of the anger around 230 is that it isn't enforced, which is a big problem with the law in general. If 230 was enforced then many of these problems would simply disappear because Silicon Valley would be scared shitless. But you know how that goes.
This is a retard idea you picked up from Trump being a retard. The language regarding 'good faith' removal is so broad that it can and does apply to all actions taken.
 
I've worked for several cryptocurrency exchanges as tech lead since 2017.
One company who got me on after their initial seed cap. round allowed me to take part in all the lawyer meetings of filing for a license to operate as a basic exchange in Liechtenstein. The FMA (SEC of Liechtenstein) is very service-minded compared to other countries because of their goal to become a "cryptocurrency capital", but even then, that's not even the hardest part.

Because you have to front your own cash flow with PSP's for 7 days (aka net7), you're limited by your own reserves in how much you can sell a week, and even then, you're subjected to outrageous processing fees, that do not, like any other HRP business (porn/guns/etc.), diminish over time until you're near the 1.45% where every other business sits.

They will try to handicap you at every turn unless you bend to their will. We once had million stuck for 180 days "pending investigation".

They don't want crypto to work, and they fear mass adoption, and it makes sense. If you're VISA/MasterCard/Discover, and you control the basic medium for exchange of services, the last thing you'd want to do is support the phasing out of your own power, and yet, I never find any serious critique of central banking. It's so blackpilling, and no one understands because you sound like a crazy person if you try to describe the immense power banks have. One startup I worked at had the CFO quit because he got laughed out of several banks for wanting to start an account that aided a crypto exchange, even with several million euros in backing.
 
This is a retard idea you picked up from Trump being a retard. The language regarding 'good faith' removal is so broad that it can and does apply to all actions taken.
Hard to say IMO, because we've never seen 230 enforced. There's the law and then there's how the law is actually enforced, hence precedent.
 
i almost forgot to add: really good article @Null, but don't forget that Dan Ivandjiiski is a butthurt trader earning millions from aggregating controversial financial articles, and not a saint.

Your article had like 2-3 ads depending on what device I open it on.
 
What is the point of the pseudonym author name when just under it you tell them who wrote it?
I'm guessing so that it doesn't get immediately ripped down by the people who compulsively search various permutations of the words "joshua connor moon" and "null" every day to see if he's setup anything that they can attempt to rip down.

Guy has people who are obsessed with him because they can't stand the notion that the internet is both public and isn't their safe space.
 
A lot of people want to attack Trump for doing nothing. The reality of the situation in the white house was very different. Trump was an outsider who knew nothing of the political establishment. When he got in he hired people who didn't want anything to do with a conservative populist agenda. You saw in 2019, when he hired and fired the right people, things were getting done. That's when the ban on critical theory went into affect, that's when hundreds of miles of border wall started getting built, when he passed the moratorium on work visas.

It's not that Trump wanted to do nothing, as we saw in the book Fire and Fury (the most accurate depiction of Trump's administration), his administration was paralyzed by incompetence. We know Trump is a competent leader, everyone around him wasn't. The next time he gets into office he'll secure the internet and payment processors.
 
Hard to say IMO, because we've never seen 230 enforced. There's the law and then there's how the law is actually enforced, hence precedent.
You literally have no idea what the meaning of the words are that you're saying. There is nothing to enforce. There's nothing to try and enforce. It's a law issuing protections. It is not a statute to seek penalties under.
 
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