Diseased Neo-Pagans / Witches on the Internet / Witchblr - SMT IRL, but with fatties

I'm not even sure I'd call it lucid dreaming but simply roleplaying or imagining things. It's not all that far off from LARPing. Most likely just insinuate themselves into the stories of their favorite fictional universes. Which apparently is going to remain to be Hogwarts for another few decades, at least it isn't the ASoIaF one.

It makes me genuinely sad to see that reality is so shitty that many would rather stay lost in a changeling fantasy, I know this isn't a new thing but for it to get so much support is incredibly unhealthy.
I don't think it's so much "Reality is so shitty" as much as it is "Reality is so unfair" and a refusal to accept that in defiance of real world logic and consequence- "It's unfair I was born male, so I'm going to mutilate my body and mind until I'm a beautiful anime girl". For most people, a part of growing up and maturing is an acceptance that life has consequences, that people outside of The Self are just as important, that sometimes things just suck and there's nothing to be done. In many ways, the purpose of religion is to explain and contextualize that information and remind the individual of their place and purpose in the universe. But by inverting religion into a kind of "Choose your own adventure" with customizable gods and swappable moralities ("I want Norse, but WOKE Norse and hot Loki with Kung Fu grip"), reality itself becomes inverted and the laws of nature warp to the will and needs of the individual.

CS Lewis argued that the human pursuit of magic was the search for a kind of cosmic cheat code, so that instead of going through decades of laborious self betterment, refinement, failure, and pain, the magician could make himself instantly grow and improve with the snap of his fingers. Roger Scruton theorized in his excellent musing on Harry Potter (found here- https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b091wf88) the series replaces the humility of prayer and religious ritual with the hubris of a spellcaster who simply bends the universe when it doesn't suit him. The Isekai genre is built on the idea that if only our protagonist lived in a world where their hoards of trival knowledge on nerd culture became useful, they would be just as successful and powerful as the people who shunned them in their old life. Many of the people documented on this thread are seeking for meaning and purpose in what they believe to be religion, but it has to be exclusively on their terms with minimal sacrifice and effort. When confronted by the implacable face of cosmic order, they are insisting that it is the universe who must change and when it doesn't, they have to escape to a place that will let them and/or come up with reasons why society is conspiring to defeat them. To quote the wisest philosopher of our age Phil Burnell "It's bugged! Nothing I could do, dood!".


TL;DR Escapism is cancer and I would not have sex it.
 
I don't think it's so much "Reality is so shitty" as much as it is "Reality is so unfair" and a refusal to accept that in defiance of real world logic and consequence- "It's unfair I was born male, so I'm going to mutilate my body and mind until I'm a beautiful anime girl". For most people, a part of growing up and maturing is an acceptance that life has consequences, that people outside of The Self are just as important, that sometimes things just suck and there's nothing to be done. In many ways, the purpose of religion is to explain and contextualize that information and remind the individual of their place and purpose in the universe. But by inverting religion into a kind of "Choose your own adventure" with customizable gods and swappable moralities ("I want Norse, but WOKE Norse and hot Loki with Kung Fu grip"), reality itself becomes inverted and the laws of nature warp to the will and needs of the individual.

CS Lewis argued that the human pursuit of magic was the search for a kind of cosmic cheat code, so that instead of going through decades of laborious self betterment, refinement, failure, and pain, the magician could make himself instantly grow and improve with the snap of his fingers. Roger Scruton theorized in his excellent musing on Harry Potter (found here- https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b091wf88) the series replaces the humility of prayer and religious ritual with the hubris of a spellcaster who simply bends the universe when it doesn't suit him. The Isekai genre is built on the idea that if only our protagonist lived in a world where their hoards of trival knowledge on nerd culture became useful, they would be just as successful and powerful as the people who shunned them in their old life. Many of the people documented on this thread are seeking for meaning and purpose in what they believe to be religion, but it has to be exclusively on their terms with minimal sacrifice and effort. When confronted by the implacable face of cosmic order, they are insisting that it is the universe who must change and when it doesn't, they have to escape to a place that will let them and/or come up with reasons why society is conspiring to defeat them. To quote the wisest philosopher of our age Phil Burnell "It's bugged! Nothing I could do, dood!".


TL;DR Escapism is cancer and I would not have sex it.
Yeah, I mean it's tough to hear things like this:

And believe that anybody in the first world has it that shitty.

Some people got problems, sure, but some of these pagans sound like their only issue is that their will to power is frustrated. Reality is not a corporation, you are not a customer of it that gets to take their business elsewhere if they're unhappy.

Pray the serenity prayer to your diety of choice and nut up already.

"Have you ever heard of some fellows who first came over to this country? You know what they found? They found a howling wilderness, with summers too hot and winters freezing, and they also found some unpleasant little characters who painted their faces. Do you think these pioneers filled out form number X6277 and sent in a report saying the Indians were a little unreasonable? Did they have insurance for their old age, for their crops, for their homes? They did not! They looked at the land, and the forest, and the rivers. They looked at their wives, their kids and their houses, and then they looked up at the sky and they said, “Thanks, God, we’ll take it from here.”" -john Wayne, without reservations
 
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Get laid.

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TWO CUPS OF COFFEE?!?!?! Wow, he must be really angry!

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Fortunately, that's my kink.

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It means you're nasty.

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I'd just try chopping off my tits with my magickal athame dedicated to Aphrodite. What's the worst that could go wrong?

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I think I know why he left.

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If you liked it then why are you calling it rape?

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What does lucifer like to listen to then?

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Yes.

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Look at the art used to honor gods in ancient greece, now look at this.

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Lololol even pagan groups laugh at godspouses.

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Trump is actually the greek god of the ocean confirmed?

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This is so disrespectful. Imagine dying, getting cremated, and then your ashes being mixed with period blood in a jar.

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Turn into a swan?

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I swear, "witches" are the most angry, unpleasant people ever.

 
I swear, "witches" are the most angry, unpleasant people ever.
Pulling @PunchCat's quote out because it's relevant:
CS Lewis argued that the human pursuit of magic was the search for a kind of cosmic cheat code, so that instead of going through decades of laborious self betterment, refinement, failure, and pain, the magician could make himself instantly grow and improve with the snap of his fingers.
Some examples of this same mentality, while we're on the subject:
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Yes, but what did it cost? They never think about that part.
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So they're literally admitting that they worship demons. This is why I wholeheartedly believe that St Boniface had exactly the right idea about paganism.
That one is at least honest that they worship demons. The others do to they just don't know it yet. All that deity kissing and shit makes it kinda obvious that a demon is just using their naivety to get what they want. They really do need Jesus.
 
> no homophobia

Let me just point out that the Saxons drowned gays in bogs. Do they not count as pagan?

Eh, that one's a bit of a misconception.

They only drowned gays in bogs if they either A. Neglected their duties to father an heir or B. bottomed to someone of a lower social caste.

Both Christian historians and Norse pagan wignats tend to wildly misinterpret a lot of that. Often intentionally in the case of wignats.

As long as you could tough it out and fuck your wife enough to sire a son and you didn't bottom to any thralls, you could be gay in the old Germanic societies.

The only ancient societies that had anything close to our modern concept of gayness would be the Jews (which is where we get these taboos and concepts from) and the Ancient Egyptians.

That one is at least honest that they worship demons. The others do to they just don't know it yet. All that deity kissing and shit makes it kinda obvious that a demon is just using their naivety to get what they want. They really do need Jesus.

I'm not even a pagan but that is some Jack Chick-tier Protestant redneck hillbilly cringe.
 
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That one is at least honest that they worship demons. The others do to they just don't know it yet. All that deity kissing and shit makes it kinda obvious that a demon is just using their naivety to get what they want. They really do need Jesus.
No, they're just lonely and need mental help. If I was a demon I wouldn't even accept them as worshippers because period blood isn't that valuable a resource.
 
Pulling @PunchCat's quote out because it's relevant:

Some examples of this same mentality, while we're on the subject:
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Can someone explain to me how this is any different to Joel Osteen and ”the power of ’I am’”?
They only drowned gays in bogs if they... bottomed to someone of a lower social caste.
That's basically how it worked in Rome, too. It was alright for a senator to penetrate slaves, but not the other way round. Cases in point; Catullus 16 goes on at length about the two guys Catullus is insulting being catamites (ie bottoms) and half the reason Elagabalus' degeneracy was seen as different from any of the other emperors' was because he wanted to be penetrated.
I'm not even a pagan but that is some Jack Chick-tier Protestant redneck hillbilly cringe.
I'm surprised to learn that I'm a Prod now.
 
Can someone explain to me how this is any different to Joel Osteen and ”the power of ’I am’”?

That's basically how it worked in Rome, too. It was alright for a senator to penetrate slaves, but not the other way round. Cases in point; Catullus 16 goes on at length about the two guys Catullus is insulting being catamites (ie bottoms) and half the reason Elagabalus' degeneracy was seen as different from any of the other emperors' was because he wanted to be penetrated.

I'm surprised to learn that I'm a Prod now.

Exactly.

In most pagan societies with the possible exception of Ancient Egypt, the general view was less "gay or straight" and more "top or bottom" heavily informed by one's social standing.

The Wiccans don't seem to get that since they follow a feminist occult religion that was the product of a 20th Century democratic society
 
Can someone explain to me how this is any different to Joel Osteen and ”the power of ’I am’”?

It isn't. Like all modern "power of positive thinking" stuff, both what these "witches" are talking about, and what the megachurch pastors are preaching, is a debased form of the 19th century New Thought movement. And not in a vague or indirect way: New Thought was an integral part of the teachings of a wide variety of American occult organizations over the years before winding up as a part of the base message of the New Age movement, whence it exploded all over the crystals-and-yoga end of the culture. In parallel with this, it influenced a whole variety of Protestant churches of various degrees of kookiness, eventually finding its way, in highly dilute form, into the prosperity gospel of Osteen and the like.

Neither neo-pagans nor Christians want to admit it, but their intellectual history in North America is deeply intertwined.
 
Can someone explain to me how this is any different to Joel Osteen and ”the power of ’I am’”?
@Captain Hastings Official already covered the actual answer, but I'll see if I can grab some practical examples for this thread later. Some might get dumped in the neopagan general, though, since some of this is general irl tomfoolery.
 
Ok, an update. I dumped some videos regarding the offline Christian "debate" about "manifestation", but here's some stuff from reddit about being a "Christian Witch" and using the "law of attraction" for your magickal purposes.
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Breaking the tumblr and TikTok stuff out due to the media limit.
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And the flipside


 
"These are an inconsistent people"
"I note what you say about guiding our patient's reading and taking care that he sees a good deal of his materialist friend. But are you not being a trifle naïf? It sounds as if you supposed that argument was the way to keep him out of the Enemy's clutches. That might have been so if he had lived a few centuries earlier. At that time the humans still knew pretty well when a thing was proved and when it was not; and if it was proved they really believed it. They still connected thinking with doing and were prepared to alter their way of life as the result of a chain of reasoning. But what with the weekly press and other such weapons we have largely altered that. Your man has been accustomed, ever since he was a boy, to have a dozen incompatible philosophies dancing about together inside his head. He doesn't think of doctrines as primarily "true" or "false", but as "academic" or "practical", "outworn" or "contemporary", "conventional" or "ruthless". Jargon, not argument, is your best ally in keeping him from the Church. Don't waste time trying to make him think that materialism is true! Make him think it is strong, or stark, or courageous—that it is the philosophy of the future. That's the sort of thing he cares about." - Screwtape
 
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Ok, an update. I dumped some videos regarding the offline Christian "debate" about "manifestation", but here's some stuff from reddit about being a "Christian Witch" and using the "law of attraction" for your magickal purposes.
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If prayer and spells are one in the same why not just pray to God if you're a Christian instead of casting spells? You already know Jesus isn't okay with witchcraft so why cling to it? And I feel like it should be obvious why he would because I doubt they pray to God as much as they do witchcraft which was probably partially why he's against it.
 
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