Community Lolitas - 1000% more backstabbing than you'd expect.

It's funny because the Lolita community has a serious hatred for girls using it as fetish gear for their "daddies" or whatever - in basically every SP you can find people upset at the perception it's giving the world on Lolita fashion and how it's turning their passion into a kink.

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People chimp out about ageplayers a lot. They worry that the general public thinks lolitas are ageplaying furry fetishists and judges them based on that. In reality most of the public has no clue what either thing is so it's just pointless in-fighting.
Awhile back, there was one girl who would spam every.single.behind-the-bows post with multiple secrets calling lolitas ageplayers. This girl would post 100+ unique secrets every week with no other content than "LOLITAS ARE AGEPLAYERS" across different pictures with slightly different wording. This went beyond trolling, into a girl who had a real complex for some unknown reason. People quit responding, but she kept chugging along, and behind-the-bows had to change their posting rules because the moderators were spending too much time on this one girl's shit.

Another fun short story, there was a lolita who brought her pet cockroach to a meetup and let it crawl all over her dress and someone made a secret about it. Predictably the SJWs (there is a huge SJW lolita contigent) responded with "that's problematic because people can be allergic to cockroaches" while more reasonable people pointed out it's gross, creepy and a problem for the cafe the meet was at.
 
Wow, I didn't realize it was based on Jap fashion.
Like being into anime, I don't think being into lolita fashion automatically makes one a weeb - especially since it's based on Western clothing.

But yeah, like others have asked before - what is it about frilly dresses and lace that's so damn drama-inducing with some people?
 
Another fun recent event was the Anime Matsuri disaster. This could honestly be its own thread (albeit a short one)
So for some context, Japan has a program called Kawaii Ambassador. I don't think it's strictly for lolitas, but lolitas usually qualify more than other groups. Basically a really famous lolita model in Japan (Misako) who is like Japan's official spokesperson for this kind of thing appoints certain people in each country to be that country's Kawaii Ambassadors.
See, this is why we need to nuke Japan again. They're exporting this crap in revenge for us winning WW2. They're trying to turn us into a bunch of cat ear wearing, anime watching, weird ass porn watching wimps who dress up in these pervy ass costumes and act like freaks in public.
 
Like being into anime, I don't think being into lolita fashion automatically makes one a weeb - especially since it's based on Western clothing.
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It could just as easily be seen as based off of meiji era clothing (itself based off of western clothing), probably moreso than actual victorian fashion
 
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It could just as easily be seen as based off of meiji era clothing (itself based off of western clothing), probably moreso than actual victorian fashion

Tbh I went off the Wikipedia. The male equivalent (if not "brolita") is "dandy", so while there are probably parts of the fandom that err towards Meiji era stuff, the majority of it (style-wise) is from Victorian era (or what they perceive to be from then). It definitely originated from Victorian era but someone who actually dresses in the style (we have a few in this thread) is better suited to answer this fully, I think.
 
Mean Girls in Victorian clothing basically (and to some extent the Victorian era lifestyle, which was ridiculously restrictive).

It doesn't surprise me that it is mostly girls who are in their teens and twenties (at least until 25) that say mean shit. I wonder if there are women in their 30s and 40s pulling this bullshit.

One of my favorite things about nerd hobbies is witnessing the reaction of the fat histrionic alpha nerd girl of the group when an unexpected hotter girl shows up. So much salt crops die for miles.


"She's a stupid vacuous slut who flirts with dumb guys and has diseases! Arghhhh!" --- xXxChocoboSexyKitten1989 (not an actual person)

As someone who used to indulge in WoW, I can't count all the times girls pulled that crap with me.
 
Mean Girls in Victorian clothing basically (and to some extent the Victorian era lifestyle, which was ridiculously restrictive).

It doesn't surprise me that it is mostly girls who are in their teens and twenties (at least until 25) that say mean shit. I wonder if there are women in their 30s and 40s pulling this bullshit.



As someone who used to indulge in WoW, I can't count all the times girls pulled that crap with me.

There are a lot of horrid secrets bitching out women who wear Lolita past thirty. It's seen as really desperate and pathetic, like someone trying to recapture their youth once it's already gone. Honestly, the thing with the Lolita fandom is that unless you fit this incredibly narrow and subjective definition of what they think the ideal Lolita is (very thin, pale skin, feminine, pretty, young, can afford expensive brand, is very knowledgeable on Lolita fashion, has been in the fandom for an extended period of time, can co-ordinate outfits very well, etc) then you're gonna get the shit ripped out of you.

Honestly, people look at these girls and think of them as naive and weak, but they're more brutal and generally have a much thicker skin than I do, or even most people do. It's a really brutal fandom, so those who can stick it out in public places like BtB and cgl are naturally selected to be generally bitchy - because they have to be, otherwise they would have left a long time ago.
 
There are a lot of horrid secrets bitching out women who wear Lolita past thirty. It's seen as really desperate and pathetic, like someone trying to recapture their youth once it's already gone. Honestly, the thing with the Lolita fandom is that unless you fit this incredibly narrow and subjective definition of what they think the ideal Lolita is (very thin, pale skin, feminine, pretty, young, can afford expensive brand, is very knowledgeable on Lolita fashion, has been in the fandom for an extended period of time, can co-ordinate outfits very well, etc) then you're gonna get the shit ripped out of you.

Honestly, people look at these girls and think of them as naive and weak, but they're more brutal and generally have a much thicker skin than I do, or even most people do. It's a really brutal fandom, so those who can stick it out in public places like BtB and cgl are naturally selected to be generally bitchy - because they have to be, otherwise they would have left a long time ago.

It's hard to fathom why some middle-aged women have to act like immature high schoolers to fit in. It's fine to go out drinking and to party, but it's a different story when you are ragging on younger girls for stupid things.

Honestly, the Lolita community reminds me of some raid teams in WoW I used to be on. If you don't have the right gear, the right DPS, the right strategy, you're fucked.
 
It's hard to fathom why some middle-aged women have to act like immature high schoolers to fit in. It's fine to go out drinking and to party, but it's a different story when you are ragging on younger girls for stupid things.

Honestly, the Lolita community reminds me of some raid teams in WoW I used to be on. If you have the right gear, the right DPS, the right strategy, you will be emotionally fucked.

I see a lot of people here putting it down to general female bitchiness, and while I'm not disagreeing that women generally fight more with words and underhanded tactics like public shaming, gossip etc - the idea of a fandom that's incredibly specific about what is "correct" and rejecting harshly everyone that deviates slightly is very common among both genders, it's just the medium and form that differs.

This community is probably the great example that it is BECAUSE of the 4chan influence and crossover that's led to more blatant call-outs, accusing others of being lolcows or w-eens/itas, feeding off drama, dank memes, etc.

A very specific fandom + anonymity leading to animosity = perfect conditions.
 
They drop the term "lolcow" - the previous poster who talked about the connection with 4chan flowing into the Lolita fandom is correct. We're more alike than we'd think. Lolcowception?
Several years ago, /cgl/ used to be a female lolcow observation board, with lolcow threads being arguably more active than threads actually about cosplay or EGL. Pixyteri was the favorite topic and was anointed the queen of /cgl/, while a number of PULL lolcows like Venus Angelic and Dakota were also covered. After things went a bit too far with a lolcow called Luvmonkeys, moot shut down the lolcow aspect of the board. Those oldfags have a lot in common with kiwis, though I think the closest comparison I could offer is PULL.
 
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