The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[Enjoy_the_Soylence]

Welp I'm 200 pages behind.....

Thanks for the recap links.

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

You think the national guard are loaded with live rounds this time

 

[NoWayBro]

I still don't see how Chauvin doesn't walk in the end. Even if the jury finds him guilty now he has enough appeal material to fill the grand canyon.

Call me a doomer, but I put Chauvin walking at 0%. There will either be a hung jury or he'll be found guilty, and I primarily think that due to America's current political and racial climate. A black man who has been framed as a saint and a pillar of the community after his death for months and months died while being arrested by a white cop. I do not believe the jurors will do their job properly and debate the evidence. I believe they will intimidate (either openly or veiled) their fellow jurors into a "guilty" verdict because a white man should not be found not guilty in the death of a black man. I have no faith in the system and expect several miscarriages of justice and rioting to take place.

 

[TFT-A9]

You think the national guard are loaded with live rounds this time

With Walz and Frey still kicking around to muck shit up? No.

 

[wholetthegodsout]

Are we assuming riots if it’s just the 3rd degree murder?

Are we at the stage of riots no matter what?

 

[Not Really Here]

Are we at the stage of riots no matter what?

We've been at that stage since the white hispanic capped Obama's son.

 

[TFT-A9]

Are we assuming riots if it’s just the 3rd degree murder?

Are we at the stage of riots no matter what?

Pretty sure there will be riots no matter what.

Would absolutely LOVE to be proven wrong.

 

[Garth]

Call me a doomer, but I put Chauvin walking at 0%. There will either be a hung jury or he'll be found guilty, and I primarily think that due to America's current political and racial climate. A black man who has been framed as a saint and a pillar of the community after his death for months and months died while being arrested by a white cop. I do not believe the jurors will do their job properly and debate the evidence. I believe they will intimidate (either openly or veiled) their fellow jurors into a "guilty" verdict because a white man should not be found not guilty in the death of a black man. I have no faith in the system and expect several miscarriages of justice and rioting to take place.

You could have simply voted

 

[LemmeSee]

You think the national guard are loaded with live rounds this time

lmao fuck no they won't be. Nobody wants another Kent State.

 

[MrJokerRager]

You think the national guard are loaded with live rounds this time

Only in 22LR probably lol.

lmao fuck no they won't be. Nobody wants another Kent State.

It anything happens, It will be like Waco where the media will whitewash the Biden Administration hard and blame white supremacy since majority of BLM rioters are white.

 

[Salubrious]

That's a possibility, but it's a little weird for state prosecutors going for the option that would leave no other enemy for BLM and antifaother than the state. beating a murder charge through a legal fuckup is going to make the prosecution look like clowns and everyone will start blaming the system.

Nothing gets a crowd angrier than a perceived miscarriage of justice, regardless of political leanings, so it's gonna be a category five chimpout. We might get a situation where rioters burn down the court house. Overall, this is the worst possible way this could end for everyone involved other than Chauvin, if he's not assassinated within a week.

Or maybe the prosecution and the Mick are retarded and fucked up royally. Either way, I'm unconvinced it's gonna go to mistrial cause of how volatile the situation is.

Oh, a mistrial is the best of both words.

Chauvin doesn't "beat" any of the charges. In fact, he has to go through the entire process again. The charges aren't dropped in a mistrial.

In the same vein, the MSM/CNN can claim that the judge delayed the mob's gratification because IT WAS SO OBVIOUS that the prosecution proved Chauvin was guilty, but a racist judge ruined their case.

 

[Meat Target]

lmao fuck no they won't be. Nobody wants another Kent State.

If anything, they'll kneel "in solidarity with the community". And such a Stunning and Brave image will go viral, as Russia and China lick their chops for war.

 

[Extreme Aneurysm]

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You could have simply voted

Jury votes for super death.

 

[MoeChotto]

That Lucas machine was supposed to simulate heart pumping, so I assume his blood would circulate (plus O2 if they hooked him up), but I’m pulling that out of the same organ as you.

If the argument for that isn't made in closing arguments, then the jury will never even consider it.

I don't know if accurate, but the judge in rare cases can set aside a jury verdict if there are allegations of misconduct and rule on the case himself. Prosecutorial misconduct can top that list for Cahill.

Judge Cahill has gone pretty far out of his way this entire case to constantly assure the prosecution that he doesn't believe there is any misconduct on their part nor does he believe there's anything being done in bad faith (ignoring the near-mistrial and potential Brady violations). Likelihood of this outcome is low.

Call me a doomer, but I put Chauvin walking at 0%. There will either be a hung jury or he'll be found guilty, and I primarily think that due to America's current political and racial climate. A black man who has been framed as a saint and a pillar of the community after his death for months and months died while being arrested by a white cop. I do not believe the jurors will do their job properly and debate the evidence. I believe they will intimidate (either openly or veiled) their fellow jurors into a "guilty" verdict because a white man should not be found not guilty in the death of a black man. I have no faith in the system and expect several miscarriages of justice and rioting to take place.

Go back and review pre-trial jury selection please I'm begging you.
Jurors who threaten other jurors like you suggest would definitely be found to be committing serious juror misconduct and that could overturn a conviction, cause a mistrial, and result in jailtime for any jurors involved. You would have to be retarded to seriously think that jurors intimidating each other like this and getting away with it is likely.

 

[Barbigny]

Don't know if I'm late to saying this, but people with CO poisoning can still have a normal reading on pulse oximetry. Doctors usually rely on patient history to make a diagnosis in the absence of direct measurement of carboxyhemoglobin.

Thank g_d I still have this.

 

[TheClappening]

I don't know if I'll put money on the mistrial theory, but if it does happen it would get pushed back a few months for retrial, right?

Rackets mentioned that Rittenhouse's trial starts November. Can you imagine the shitshow if Chauvin and Rittenhouse both had their trials around the same time and both walked?

 

[NoWayBro]

Jurors who threaten other jurors like you suggest would definitely be found to be committing serious juror misconduct and that could overturn a conviction, cause a mistrial, and result in jailtime for any jurors involved.

That's why I said "call me a doomer". I fully believe the system doesn't work nowadays and juror intimidation will be outwardly punished, if only lightly, but tacitly allowed and encouraged (if you do it for the "right" reasons).

 

[Pizza Munch]

Summary with archives of each day now that defense and prosecution rest

Opening Statements and Start of Prosecution's Case
Day 1: Opening statements. State calls 911 dispatcher, Alicia Oiler (works at Speedway grocery store), Donald Williams (MMA witness),
Day 1 Recap [archive]

Day 2: State continues with Williams. State calls 4 minor (under 1 witnesses, Genevieve Hansen (firefighter bitch),
Day 2 Recap [archive]

Day 3: State continues with Hansen. State calls Christopher Martin (cup foods clerk), Richard Belfry (witness), Charles McMillian (witness heard speaking to Floyd in video), Jeff Rugel (Minneapolis police Lt)
Day 3 Recap [archive]

Day 4: State calls Courteney Ross (Floyd's girlfriend), Seth Bravender (EMT), Derek Smith (EMT), Jeremy Norton (Minneapolis fire dept Capt), David Pleoger (retired MPD sergeant)
Day 4 Recap [archive]

Day 5: State calls John Edwards (MPD sergeant), Richard Zimmerman (MPD homicide lieutenant),
Day 5 Recap [archive]

Day 6: State calls Dr. Bradford Wankhede Langenfeld (Dr. who declared Floyd dead), Madaria Arradondo (MPD police chief), Katie Blackwell (Commander MPD training),
Day 6 Recap [archive]

Day 7: State calls Ker Yang (MPD sargeant and crisis intervention training coordinator), Johnny Mercil (MPD lieutenant and use-of-force trainer), Nicole Mackenzie (MPD officer and medical support coordinator), Jody Stiger (LAPD sargeant and expert witness)
Day 7 Recap [archive]

Day 8: State continues with Stiger. State calls BCA Special Agent Reyerson (BCA case lead on Floyd case), BCA Forensic Agent Mackenzie Anderson (processed crime scene and vehicles including the Floyd DNA), BCA Forensic Scientist Breahna Giles (did chemical analysis of the recovered drugs), and Susan Mieth (private industry chemist)
Day 8 Recap [archive]

Day 9: State calls Dr. Martin Tobin (physician in pulmonary and critical care medicine in Chicago), Daniel Isenschmit (forensic toxicologist, NMS labs), Dr. William Smock (emergency medical physician)
Day 9 Recap [archive]

Day 10: State calls Dr. Lindsey Thomas (forensic pathologist and state expert witness) and Dr. Andrew Baker (Hennepin County ME who conducted autopsy on Floyd)
Day 10 Recap [archive]

Day 11: State calls Dr. Jonathan Rich (cardiologist), Philonise Floyd (Floyd's brother), and Seth Stoughton (law professor)
Day 11 Recap [archive]

Prosecution Rests, Defense Starts Case
Day 12: Defense calls Barry Brodd (use-of-force expert witness), Peter Chang (Parks officer, present at scene), Shawanda Hill (Floyd's ex and witness), Scott Creighton (retired MPD officer who arrested Floyd in 2019), Michelle Moseng (retired EMT who was present at 2019 arrest), and Nicole MacKenzie (MPD medical training coordinator)
Day 12 Recap [archive]

Day 13: Defense calls Dr. David Fowler (forensic pathologist and defense expert witness)
Day 13 Recap [archive]

Defense Rests, Prosecution Gets Rebuttal
Day 14: State recalls Tobin in rebuttal
Day 14 Recap [archive]

 

[Salubrious]

Go back and review pre-trial jury selection please I'm begging you.
Jurors who threaten other jurors like you suggest would definitely be found to be committing serious juror misconduct and that could overturn a conviction, cause a mistrial, and result in jailtime for any jurors involved. You would have to be retarded to seriously think that jurors intimidating each other like this and getting away with it is likely.

I don't think it will be jurors intimidating each other, but I agree with the basic statement that the jury is intimidated.

This jury is not sequestored right now. In fact, I think at least one of them lives in Brooklyn Center.

These jurors will get to watch the Daunte Wright "peaceful protests" all weekend. Some living only a stone's throw away.

I think it will be nearly impossible to prove that the jurors weren't at least thinking that "if I vote innocent then the rioters will come after me." The juror's information is already out there. I promise you that at least several Kiwis alone could figure out at least 6 of the jurors if they wanted to; the NYT published a whole lot of details in just one of their articles.

Chauvin Jury: A Range of Views on Race and Policing

The jurors bring to the table a range of views about race and policing, some forged by long life experience and some formed after the death of George Floyd.

www.nytimes.com

 

[murdered meat bag]

That's why I said "call me a doomer". I fully believe the system doesn't work nowadays and juror intimidation will be outwardly punished, if only lightly, but tacitly allowed and encouraged (if you do it for the "right" reasons).

all someone has to do is out a juror and let the mob hound them forever.