The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[Fliddaroonie]

If he walks the Feds will step in and prosecute him for civil rights violations. Oh and they'd also make sure he'd be denied bail. See the Capitol protestors spending months in solitary on trespassing charges that don't carry custodial sentences even if they're found guilty. The process is the punishment.

There's zero chance of the Biden administration allowing this to slide.

The only hope for Chauvin is a hung jury and a mistrial. I think the chances of that are pretty remote. There will be riots going on in the city while the jury is deliberating, every single one of them will be very aware of what faces them should they not find him guilty of something. I think he'll be convicted of manslaughter, there will be a nationwide chimp out (but not as bad as if he'd been allowed to walk) and the Feds will step in and throw the book at him.

If by some miracle he does walk on these charges and the Fed prosecution he'll face a lifetime of looking over his shoulder with no prospect of employment or anything remotely resembling a normal life. The poor bastard, and all because some retard decided to swallow his stash.

Unlikely I know, but if he is cleared, and walks, and it's determined That Man died because he swallowed his stash, could he sue the estate of That Man (I refuse to say his name, fuck him, he's better dead) for lost earnings and trauma, hypothetically?

I know it's speculative, I'm just curious as to what sort of recourse Chauvin could have if he is cleared, that's all.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Is there a possibility that the judge will change his mind between now and Monday? It just seems like if this is a clear cut Brady violation there should be some recourse to challenge a judge just handwaving it away.



I worked in a nursing home for years and it we'd always have new people coming afraid to do CPR because it might hurt the frail patient. The often repeated line was "We can fix broken bones, we can't fix fucking dead, GET IN THERE."

Possible but who knows how likely. As has been said, this is probably a brady violation.

 

[Gehenna]

Possible but who knows how likely. As has been said, this is probably a brady violation.

It's not probably, it -is-. Blatantly so.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

It's not probably, it -is-. Blatantly so.

Of course, but this case is so goddamn hot that the judge might fear the aftermath.

 

[Gehenna]

Of course, but this case is so goddamn hot that the judge might fear the aftermath.

Doesn't matter if the judge is too afraid, the appeals courts would be absolutely livid at this.

 

[DumbDude42]

Doesn't matter if the judge is too afraid, the appeals courts would be absolutely livid at this.

what makes you think the appeals court judge will be any less afraid

 

[Gehenna]

what makes you think the appeals court judge will be any less afraid

Simple, they won't be from Minneapolis.

Any appeals court judges from it can simply recuse or pass it by without ever alerting anyone. And why the fuck -wouldn't- they?

 

[reinigen]

it makes more sense if you assume the prosecution doesnt know what it's doing and was so desperate to debunk that little bit of based rhodesian's testimony they brought back potato nigger who inadvertently contradicted himself and the brunt of their main argument

 

[aussiejinjo]

rhodesians never die

 

[ogmudbone]

Subjective ethics.

The same thing you base shit on.

Chauvin dindu nuffin.

 

[reinigen]

But we've already done analysis of what "really happened".
My opinion (and thread consensus?) was that even if the knee did it, only because of drugs/hypertension/covid was it a fatal restraint - therefore a reasonable risk. And a hostile crowd that even EMTs had to skirt around meant police doing any action was difficult. Similarly, there isn't much room for debate on the other side: a knee to the neck is clearly dangerous, not helping afterwards is still wrong, and Floyd didn't die from a pure OD. Anyone who says another stance will get mocked and/or censored, depending on where you are.
The only thing left, is well, to cope. Because BLM and racism* are both incredibly prominent, it makes sense that one would effect a jury decision. If I'm right about jury manipulation, then I was right (wow); and if I'm wrong, then I'm still right (of what "actually happened"). We can "cope and seethe white niggers" after a verdict is actually reached!
There's also a fairly large area of "we don't know"; which falls under innocent until proven guilty or mob rule's guilty until proven innocent. A potential knee on neck (bodycam footage only shows that he put the knee on back after paramedics arrived iirc), or the oxygen/CO levels of Floyd just as he died. In this case, it'll be decided on what the jury feels.

tldr: yeah it's a cope, give me autistic ratings

Also @MoeChetto because you've been saying the same thing earlier

*to anyone who believes in CRT of course

Someone on /pol/ put this list together. And it's (mostly) neutral on the facts.

• he had severe heart disease
• he had an enlarged heart
• he had 75% to 90% occlusion of his three major coronary arteries
• he had hypertension
• he had a previously recorded blood pressure of 216/160
• he had a tumor (extra-adrenal paraganglioma) associated with hypertension, tachycardia, strokes, and heart attacks
• he had COVID
• he was a smoker
• he ODed several months earlier, "mama" (his girlfriend) took him to hospital, where he stayed for five days
• he had allegedly been clean since, implying a lowered tolerance to drugs
• he was nodding off/passed out when police arrived at his car
• he was in the car with his personal drug dealer(s)
• he had a suspicious white substance in his mouth
• he was saying he couldn't breathe before he was restrained
• he called out for "mama" during his arrest, the same person who helped him during his previous OD
• he complained that his stomach hurt, the same thing he told "mama" during his previous OD
• the knee on the back of the neck is a technique used by the MPD
• the knee is used to restrain a subject with a suspected case of "excited delirium" until EMS arrives
• the knee did not occlude both (or even one) of Floyd's carotid arteries
• the knee did not constrict Floyd's airway
• the hobble was not used to avoid delaying medical care
• EMS was called early but was late
• the hostile crowd prevented medical care at the scene
• he had a blood oxygen saturation of 98% at the hospital
• the autopsy revealed no abrasions, bruising, hematomas, or fractured bones in the shoulder and neck area
• he had a cocktail of drugs in his system, including fentanyl (depressant) and methamphetamine (stimulant/vasoconstrictor)
• he had a statistically lethal amount of fentanyl in his system
• he swallowed drugs and complained about not being able to breathe during his 2019 arrest
• fentanyl/methamphetamine pills (speedballs) were found in the back of the squad car, containing Floyd's DNA, pills were also found in the SUV

About the only thing I think you could contend here is who he was calling for when yelling "mama". But seriously.

More and more all I can think about is Jordan Peterson talking about ideological possession. How can you discount all of this and say "No, it had to be the knee." It makes me sad to think people are so unable to turn their brains on and break from the emotion and ideology and see what's going on.

 

[gaystoner]

Someone on /pol/ put this list together. And it's (mostly) neutral on the facts.

• he had severe heart disease
• he had an enlarged heart
• he had 75% to 90% occlusion of his three major coronary arteries

When the Chicago doctor said "Well Those things make the heart stronger because it has to work harder"

 

[TFT-A9]

When the Chicago doctor said "Well Those things make the heart stronger because it has to work harder"

"if you get shot a few times with .22 rounds you can build a resistance to high-velocity lead injections"

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

"if you get shot a few times with .22 rounds you can build a resistance to high-velocity lead injections"

Is that why bullets don't stop me?

 

[FunPosting101]

For what it's worth, I'm still on team REEEEEEEE! myself. It's the only outcome practically guaranteed to happen. Hell, it's already happening if you check some of the responses to the trial on various social media platforms.

 

[God of Nothing]

For what it's worth, I'm still on team REEEEEEEE! myself. It's the only outcome practically guaranteed to happen. Hell, it's already happening if you check some of the responses to the trial on various social media platforms.

All I've seen is massive cope that Chauvin did kill the big niggerman and not the dozen or so shit wrong in his body.

 

[pearlslam]

More and more all I can think about is Jordan Peterson talking about ideological possession. How can you discount all of this and say "No, it had to be the knee." It makes me sad to think people are so unable to turn their brains on and break from the emotion and ideology and see what's going on.

Any sane man wouldn't. They (any Democrap) basically made George Floyd a god because "white cop killed the niggerman" and absolutely refuse to look at contributing factors (such as the ones listed in your post). If anything, Chauvin probably didn't even realize that the squad car was running when he put him into that restraint. That is (at best) negligence, and unfortunately for the state, they overcharged him like they would any other perp and now he is going to walk.

 

[FunPosting101]

All I've seen is massive cope that Chauvin did kill the big niggerman and not the dozen or so shit wrong in his body.

I'd argue that's a form of reeeee'ing, but that's probably hair-splitting. The main thing is that no matter the outcome of this trial, people are going to be pissed the fuck off and a lot of people already are.

 

[CEO of Pickles]

For what it's worth, I'm still on team REEEEEEEE! myself. It's the only outcome practically guaranteed to happen. Hell, it's already happening if you check some of the responses to the trial on various social media platforms.

Team Not Guilty Enough (for the mob) all the way for me. I may be for wanting a mistrial (with no retry because of misconduct by prosecution) or not guilty verdict. I may also be pessimistic for having a gut feeling that the current socio-political post-Trayvon Martin racial climate in the US has guaranteed Chauvin won't have any chance of walking without major consequences. However, with another summer coming closer, riots will start again for one reason or another. It will be labeled differently (fiery but peaceful protest, celebration march, etc.), but it will still consist of the same unemployed, vindictive, violent individuals. I'm not going to go full tinfoil hat autism, but it is really convenient how an 80IQ white female officer in Minnesota killed a young black male near the end of a high profile Minnesota trial with a heavy narrative of racial tensions.

 

[aussiejinjo]

the average retard calling for chauvin's head on a silver platter has absolutely no understanding of the concepts of reasonable doubt and presumption of innocence as well

they believe there has to be some absolute certainty that the kneedidntdoit for chauvin to walk

in their pea brains chauvin has to prove hes innocent, the prosecution doesnt have to prove that hes guilty

on top of that he has to prove he is innocent to some near 100% certainty, anything other than that is unacceptable against their preconcieved conception of floyd's demise

in reality, the prosecution has to show that chauvin's kneedidit to about a 90% level of certainty, which is pretty much impossible given the circumstances of the case

any reasonable person looking at the facts surrounding floyd's death would arrive at the same conclusion dr. fowler did, that this is a undetermined cause of death, and it is nearly impossible to extricate whether the knee played any role at all from the myriad of other factors present in floyd's body

which leads me back to the conclusion i came to when this first happened last year in may: that this is a bullshit case that should never have gone to trial