The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[AmazingEagle]

sorry guys, been out the loop for a while. Was there an incident where the prosecution brought in an absolute joke of a ghetto witness, similar to the fat landwhale Rachel Jeantel?

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What is that haircut?

 

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What is that haircut?

 

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What is that haircut?

A bald sheboon wearing a really bad wig.

I don't know much about it, but apparently sheboons will literally climb over each other's dead bodies to collect hair for "weaves" and other forms of wig. It's some sort of weird, weird situation.

 

[AmazingEagle]

A bald sheboon wearing a really bad wig.

I don't know much about it, but apparently sheboons will literally climb over each other's dead bodies to collect hair for "weaves" and other forms of wig. It's some sort of weird, weird situation.

I might sound extreme but there needs to be a haircut code for people before they enter a courtroom.

 

[BLEACHED.COM]

I might sound extreme but there needs to be a haircut code for people before they enter a courtroom.

That's racist.

 

[MoeChotto]

A bald sheboon wearing a really bad wig.

I don't know much about it, but apparently sheboons will literally climb over each other's dead bodies to collect hair for "weaves" and other forms of wig. It's some sort of weird, weird situation.

Weaves are more important than gas or food

 

[God of Nothing]

That's racist.

It's for health and safety. Nigger hair is some dirty shit with all those hair styles forbidding baths.

 

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Nigger hair is some dirty shit with all those hair styles forbidding baths.

News flash: bald niggers don't bathe either.

 

[God of Nothing]

News flash: bald niggers don't bathe either.

They were a public health risk without the hair anyway.

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

 

[AnOminous]

I'm not familiar with that case can I get a tldr

The Second Amendment protects an individual right, which is a fundamental right, and impliedly, restrictions on it are subject to strict scrutiny. A state cannot simply ban guns entirely. It has to justify it. The restriction must concern a compelling government interest (public safety generally counts), but it must be narrowly tailored to that goal. They can't just cite public safety and then do something ridiculous.

They are the two biggest gun rights cases in the history of the Supreme Court. The reason there are two of them basically saying the same thing is Heller was in D.C., which isn't technically a state, but almost a colony of the federal government. McDonald was in Chicago, and reiterated Heller's finding but applied it to the States as well.

 

[Unassuming Local Guy]

How would that affect the blood level if he was dead? Don't you actually have to be alive for the lungs to transport oxygen to the blood?

Red blood cells don't actually use oxygen because they barely qualify as living cells, so once the whole system shuts down it all kind of freezes in time for a bit. A RBC will only lose its bound oxygen if it exchanges it with tissue (does not happen after death) or if it's sufficiently damaged (at which point O2 cannot be measured). This is an extremely esoteric field and I'm far from an expert, but that's what I understand.

However, it also depends on what organ shuts down when. If the lungs shut down well before the heart, as would be expected in case of opiate overdose, O2 levels will drop extremely rapidly because the heart keeps circulating the blood. The blood continues to oxygenate the body as best it can, but that does not last long.

If an average person in good health (average spo2 99%+) holds their breath, they can expect to lose .1-.2% of their blood oxygen per second. George Floyd was a very, very unhealthy man, but even if he wasn't, if his respiration failed just 30 seconds before his heart stopped his oxygen saturation would theoretically rest at 94-97% postmortem, which is about the level you'd expect to see in someone who's just spent the last few minutes thrashing around. So oximetry would be totally useless.

You could theoretically - very theoretically - attempt to figure out when he stopped breathing relative to when his heart stopped, but there are so many variables involved that it'd be closer to divination than science. I wouldn't trust any opinion based purely on postmortem oximetry.

EDIT: If his spo2 really measured 98% when the EMTs picked him up, that's really incredibly damning. There's absolutely no way, full stop, that someone who was just choked for 9 minutes would have that good of a reading. No way.

 

[AnOminous]

However, it also depends on what organ shuts down when. If the lungs shut down well before the heart, as would be expected in case of opiate overdose, O2 levels will drop extremely rapidly because the heart keeps circulating the blood. The blood continues to oxygenate the body as best it can, but that does not last long.

Well I'm not a medical expert but wouldn't that mean his heart stopped first? Chauvin wasn't kneeling on his heart.

 

[TitusOvid]

Here's a good analysis of the evidence:

The Derek Chauvin Trial: Why Is an Acquittal Likely

Read a law enforcement expert's opinion on why Derek Chauvin will likely be acquitted.

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I particularly find this part compelling:

Speaking is a function of exhaling the air in the lungs over the vocal cords, which then vibrate creating sounds from the larynx. It might be possible for someone to say they “can’t breath” once or twice with air they already have in their lungs. Yet, not 27 times as is being reported. That clearly requires a person to be able to breathe.

 

[MoeChotto]

Well I'm not a medical expert but wouldn't that mean his heart stopped first? Chauvin wasn't kneeling on his heart.

Don't you remember last week's testimony? Chauvin's knee was teleporting. It could very well have teleported into his chest cavity and crushed his gigantic heart.

 

[Unassuming Local Guy]

Well I'm not a medical expert but wouldn't that mean his heart stopped first? Chauvin wasn't kneeling on his heart.

Almost certainly. Given his reading of 98% (assuming it was a postmortem reading, I don't actually know), I'd say there's a zero chance he stopped breathing more than 20 seconds before his heart stopped. And a pretty close to zero chance his heart didn't stop first.

Actually given the cocktail of drugs in his system and how agitated he was, 98 is shockingly high. There must have been some mechanism by which a great deal of air could reach his lungs every time he inhaled.

I know I just shit all over using O2 levels to create a timeline, but this is kind of the reverse of that. And I'm also not going to try to be more specific because it's not possible.

 

[AmazingEagle]

The Second Amendment protects an individual right, which is a fundamental right, and impliedly, restrictions on it are subject to strict scrutiny. A state cannot simply ban guns entirely. It has to justify it. The restriction must concern a compelling government interest (public safety generally counts), but it must be narrowly tailored to that goal. They can't just cite public safety and then do something ridiculous.

They are the two biggest gun rights cases in the history of the Supreme Court. The reason there are two of them basically saying the same thing is Heller was in D.C., which isn't technically a state, but almost a colony of the federal government. McDonald was in Chicago, and reiterated Heller's finding but applied it to the States as well.

Hell, I think more people in the US should join Gun Owners of America and Firearms Policy Coalition because they've done more to protect gun rights and the 2nd Amendment than the NRA.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

sorry guys, been out the loop for a while. Was there an incident where the prosecution brought in an absolute joke of a ghetto witness, similar to the fat landwhale Rachel Jeantel?

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You know how there's a cow on the Elmer's Glue label?

This is why there's a gorilla on the Gorilla Glue label.

I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

 

[Unassuming Local Guy]

Actually, all this talk makes me wonder. I haven't been following this case because in my opinion it's 100% all natural kangaroo and watching it would be like watching the world's most boring children play make believe, but I am curious. Are they (or, I suppose, were they) still trying to argue that Floyd was suffocated? Because medically speaking that's actually very easy to rule out. There are numerous indicators of asphyxiation, the lack of which would rule it out. I'm sure this has been brought up by the defense, yes? Hypercapnia, blood pH, that sort of thing?

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

Hell, I think more people in the US should join Gun Owners of America and Firearms Policy Coalition because they've done more to protect gun rights and the 2nd Amendment than the NRA.

I'm a member of both the NRA and GOA. The GOA is much better from a philosophical standpoint but honestly, for all its faults the NRA has still done a lot of good. There's a reason why liberals fume over it.