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[KooksandFreaks]

compassion (subjective).

i think that we should allow trans people to be considered their preferred gender/refer to them that way if they genuinely put in effort & assimilate, but our current systems for judging that suck. AGPs shouldnt be considered trans, they should be considered a paraphilia. if it looks like a woman, behaves entirely like a woman, it basically is a woman. same with FTMs, they dont get to be women in baggy clothes & to call it a day

I dunno. We’ve already seen way too much infringement on protections and accommodations meant for women and girls. Ultimately, I can’t help but feeling there is a deep and rotten core of misogyny behind the whole trans rights movement.

Maybe the best way forward is to say that some guys like to wear dresses rather than some women have penises. Biological sex and “gender identity” are two very different things.

 

[AprilRains]

compassion (subjective).

i think that we should allow trans people to be considered their preferred gender/refer to them that way if they genuinely put in effort & assimilate, but our current systems for judging that suck. AGPs shouldnt be considered trans, they should be considered a paraphilia. if it looks like a woman, behaves entirely like a woman, it basically is a woman. same with FTMs, they dont get to be women in baggy clothes & to call it a day

one day in and already posting cringe

 

[Boys Club Rhetoric]

Yes, that is the acceptably edgy response to go with, but something you and many of the other emotionally charged posters here seem to be missing the point of is the fact that this is the real world.

Would you rather:

a.) have the pedo tranny get released from prison into a halfway house, which typically have pretty poor oversight despite (or perhaps being due to) being run by the local government, most of which are centered in the midst of cities where they will be surrounded by children

or

b.) have the pedo tranny go to the Tranch in the middle of the desert where the only people they are surrounded by are other degenerate trannies in a dilapidated and depressing garbage heap where they do not have immediate access to children

At the Tranch many more eyes will be on the situation and their movements by virtue of its interest to the forum whereas if they go to a halfway house or elsewhere they are more likely to get memory holed as they become less relevant until one day popping up in a media footnote as having gone back to prison.

I really don't understand what many of you are not understanding here or why thinking that it would be better for them to go to the Tranch where we can keep an eye on them is controversial.

I get what you're saying here, but it's foolish to think they couldn't still do irreparable damage from the Tranch with an internet connection.

One needs look no further than at how Kevin exults in cracking so many eggs for an example of how they're already doing damage to people.

And sure, we're keeping an eye on them, and are appropriately horrified. But look how many people flock to their defense, because they're "just an UwU queer commune incapable of doing anything wrong because they were brave and stunning enough to lop off their dicks, and Kiwi Farmers are horrible Nazi's". They grifted 100k just by pretending some evil people with guns were after them; they won't forget that success anytime soon.

Better they have some official oversight than none at all

 

[White Devil]

one day in and already posting cringe

I've noticed every troon and troon apologist that posts in the Kevin thread always reveal their faggotry within a few posts.

 

[Semiprofessional Sperg]

one day in and already posting cringe

The Pipeline to being a shitlord
>Join famous internet "trolling" site Kiwi Farms
>Go to the very popular tranch thread
>Defend trannies, say they can pass as women
>Get called a faggot, receive meanrates and puzzlepieces

 

[TerminalTryHard]

The Pipeline to being a shitlord
>Join famous internet "trolling" site Kiwi Farms
>Go to the very popular tranch thread
>Defend trannies, say they can pass as women
>Get called a faggot, receive meanrates and puzzlepieces

If you remove the tranch and defending trannies ones this pretty much just describes everyone's experience on the farms.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

compassion (subjective).

i think that we should allow trans people to be considered their preferred gender/refer to them that way if they genuinely put in effort & assimilate, but our current systems for judging that suck. AGPs shouldnt be considered trans, they should be considered a paraphilia. if it looks like a woman, behaves entirely like a woman, it basically is a woman. same with FTMs, they dont get to be women in baggy clothes & to call it a day

A trans woman is a trans woman with emphasis placed on that they are in a state of TRANSition, never to realize their fantasized potential in becoming a woman because they will always be a TRANS WOMAN.

They do not look like woman, they do not behave entirely (or close to) like woman and basically will never be a woman.

 

[Law]

if it looks like a woman, behaves entirely like a woman, it basically is a woman. same with FTMs, they dont get to be women in baggy clothes & to call it a day

Any behavior a man does is male behavior because it's a man doing it. A man grows his hair long? Still a man. A man changes his name? Still a man.
Any behavior a woman does is female behavior because it's a woman doing it. A woman shaves her head? Still a woman. A woman wears baggy clothes? Still a woman.

Behaving in a way that's considered unusual for your sex doesn't magically change you to the opposite sex.
Normies will respect your pronouns out of pity and politeness, or just cause they're afraid that you'll destroy their Gamestop in a fit of autistic fury if you don't get called "ma'am", but that's it. You're still the sex you were born as. You can never escape it, no matter how much plastic surgery you get or how many pronoun pins you put on your jean jacket.

 

[AnOminous]

farming is NOT a Fleisher cartoon where everything is happy and content to the point of dancing around

If this shit is a Fleischer cartoon it's Swing You Sinners.

I couldn't be further from a farm-dweller, yet prior knowledge of female anatomy and a minute on Google were all it took to learn how best to preventatitvely address this problem.

Lmao imagine any male incel troon, ever, knowing anything at all about female anatomy.

Would you rather:

I'd rather c) stay in prison where he is. And luckily thanks to his illegal behavior that's probably where he'll be, maybe a few years more than he was already going to be there.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Ray Blanchard’s extensive studies into men who want to be women classifies them into two basic groups: uber gay men who adopt feminine personas in order to attract other men and autogynephiles who are often heterosexual and derive sexual satisfaction purely from the acts of cross-dressing and transitioning.

I knew traps were gay!

compassion (subjective).

i think that we should allow trans people to be considered their preferred gender/refer to them that way if they genuinely put in effort & assimilate, but our current systems for judging that suck. AGPs shouldnt be considered trans, they should be considered a paraphilia. if it looks like a woman, behaves entirely like a woman, it basically is a woman. same with FTMs, they dont get to be women in baggy clothes & to call it a day

Effort is also subjective. What defines enough? Slapping on some lipstick and a wig? Prancing around in high heels? Hormone therapy and surgery? What defines assimilation? Acting like an anime schoolgirl? Taking classes? There is no objective standard for being transgender. There is no standard for what is "enough."

Effort also doesn't make me a woman either. I can wear a wig and a dress and growl "It's Ma'am!" but that in no way makes me a woman. Even if I blew thousands of dollars on surgery like Bruce Jenner, that still doesn't make me a woman. My Chromosomes are still XY, my skeletal structure is still male, my brain structure is still male, I still have a prostate, etc. Hell, male and female psychology is completely different.

Transgenderism is ultimately human hubris. It is a giant "fuck you" to nature (or God if you prefer) by altering the very foundation of your identity. It is humans flouting the laws of nature (and potentially social mores) for their own gain.

 

[KooksandFreaks]

Effort is also subjective. What defines enough? Slapping on some lipstick and a wig? Prancing around in high heels? Hormone therapy and surgery? What defines assimilation? Acting like an anime schoolgirl? Taking classes? There is no objective standard for being transgender. There is no standard for what is "enough."

That is pretty much the core question, isn’t it, SSC? Been struggling with the idea that maybe several years of living as the opposite sex and radical genital surgery is “enough.” Your post has decided me that it’s not.

The only thing that makes me a woman is my female body. That’s it. Has nothing to do with my sexual preferences, pronouns or the way I dress. I’ll never know what it’s like to be a man, even if I took testosterone everyday, grew a beard and had a fake penis installed.

What bothers me most is the way the medical establishment is promoting the idea that it’s possible for human beings to change sex, especially where children are concerned. Hopefully, the quack doctors who exploit mental illness rather than treat it find themselves discredited and debunked in the not-too-distant future.

 

[Captain Fitzbattleaxe]

compassion (subjective).

i think that we should allow trans people to be considered their preferred gender/refer to them that way if they genuinely put in effort & assimilate, but our current systems for judging that suck. AGPs shouldnt be considered trans, they should be considered a paraphilia. if it looks like a woman, behaves entirely like a woman, it basically is a woman. same with FTMs, they dont get to be women in baggy clothes & to call it a day

Should we respect a person's indetity as Napoleon if he put enough effort into his delusions? No, obviously not. And yet he's just as much Napoleon as any transwoman is a woman.

 

[5574]

Should we respect a person's indetity as Napoleon if he put enough effort into his delusions? No, obviously not. And yet he's just as much Napoleon as any transwoman is a woman.

i disagree with your comparison. in my view, gender identity & biological sex are separate things that are very much linked/connected to eachother. therefore, it's multiple things. the level of validity you give to sex vs gender depends on your community; people here on KF obviously think it's all about biological sex
i think that the concept of "female" is a made up invention; the concept of "vagina + estrogen" isn't - this applies to perception because if a trans female passes IRL without any problem, then nobody will notice she's trans. gender identity influences the appearance you choose to have. we have a labeling difference here because we're both describing "vagina + estrogen", but you call it female & i call it AFAB/literally vagina + estrogen
therefore, with my system of seeing things, AGPs don't count as transgender because the gender part of their mind isn't "female", it's "male". however, if i used your system, then i would think of AGPs as trans. i think that trans people are a separate class since their deal is about their gender identity, not their sexuality/paraphilias; AGPs + HSTSs are some type of weird males

it might also be down to personal experience, because 90% of the trans people i've been friends with don't exhibit AGP or HSTS symptoms/behaviors/feelings. it seems like their gender is disconnected entirely from their sexuality & that their identity isn't determined by their sexuality or in order to justify their sexuality. i see that a lot of people on KF have lots of experiences with AGP/HSTS types, so perhaps i'd think different if my experiences were different/more in line with KF people

 

[Miss Misery]

Should we respect a person's indetity as Napoleon if he put enough effort into his delusions? No, obviously not. And yet he's just as much Napoleon as any transwoman is a woman.

I dunno, it kinda worked for Emperor Norton...

 

[Zaryiu2]

He's already on it.
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Predator: No

What the everloving fuck?

But... HOW?! I just returned to this thread and holy shit things so much more horrifying than they already were!

 

[Lovecraft's Cat]

i disagree with your comparison. in my view, gender identity & biological sex are separate things that are very much linked/connected to eachother. therefore, it's multiple things. the level of validity you give to sex vs gender depends on your community; people here on KF obviously think it's all about biological sex
i think that the concept of "female" is a made up invention; the concept of "vagina + estrogen" isn't - this applies to perception because if a trans female passes IRL without any problem, then nobody will notice she's trans. gender identity influences the appearance you choose to have. we have a labeling difference here because we're both describing "vagina + estrogen", but you call it female & i call it AFAB/literally vagina + estrogen
therefore, with my system of seeing things, AGPs don't count as transgender because the gender part of their mind isn't "female", it's "male". however, if i used your system, then i would think of AGPs as trans. i think that trans people are a separate class since their deal is about their gender identity, not their sexuality/paraphilias; AGPs + HSTSs are some type of weird males

it might also be down to personal experience, because 90% of the trans people i've been friends with don't exhibit AGP or HSTS symptoms/behaviors/feelings. it seems like their gender is disconnected entirely from their sexuality & that their identity isn't determined by their sexuality or in order to justify their sexuality. i see that a lot of people on KF have lots of experiences with AGP/HSTS types, so perhaps i'd think different if my experiences were different/more in line with KF people

WHAT THE SHIT DID YOU SAY TO ME!!!!

 

[5574]

WHAT THE SHIT DID YOU SAY TO ME!!!!
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[Captain Fitzbattleaxe]

i disagree with your comparison. in my view, gender identity & biological sex are separate things that are very much linked/connected to eachother. therefore, it's multiple things. the level of validity you give to sex vs gender depends on your community; people here on KF obviously think it's all about biological sex
i think that the concept of "female" is a made up invention; the concept of "vagina + estrogen" isn't - this applies to perception because if a trans female passes IRL without any problem, then nobody will notice she's trans. gender identity influences the appearance you choose to have. we have a labeling difference here because we're both describing "vagina + estrogen", but you call it female & i call it AFAB/literally vagina + estrogen
therefore, with my system of seeing things, AGPs don't count as transgender because the gender part of their mind isn't "female", it's "male". however, if i used your system, then i would think of AGPs as trans. i think that trans people are a separate class since their deal is about their gender identity, not their sexuality/paraphilias; AGPs + HSTSs are some type of weird males

it might also be down to personal experience, because 90% of the trans people i've been friends with don't exhibit AGP or HSTS symptoms/behaviors/feelings. it seems like their gender is disconnected entirely from their sexuality & that their identity isn't determined by their sexuality or in order to justify their sexuality. i see that a lot of people on KF have lots of experiences with AGP/HSTS types, so perhaps i'd think different if my experiences were different/more in line with KF people

I still don't see the difference between a guy claiming to be Napoleon and a man who claim to be a woman. The first one sees himself as Napoleon just as much the latter sees himself as a woman. If the first one got surgery to look exactly as Napoleon, acted the same way as Napoleon did and only wore clothes that Napoleon would you treat him the way you'd treat the actual Napoleon? Would you give him the benefits that Napoleon would have had during his life?

 

[5574]

I still don't see the difference between a guy claiming to be Napoleon and a man who claim to be a woman. The first one sees himself as Napoleon just as much the latter sees himself as a woman. If the first one got surgery to look exactly as Napoleon, acted the same way as Napoleon did and only wore clothes that Napoleon would you treat him the way you'd treat the actual Napoleon? Would you give him the benefits that Napoleon would have had during his life?

the problem with your comparison is that it only works if gender & sex were the same thing or were a unified object. but i disagree that they're unified, so it falls apart in my way of seeing things. if i agreed they were one in the same, i would agree with your point. but i disagree that gender = sex, so i disagree with your point

with that said, even if gender = sex, i don't think AGPs apply to that because they clearly don't truly believe they're women for the sake of having an identity. they tell themselves that to justify their perverted sexuality so that they have an excuse to be sex pests. however, when talking about non-AGPs & non-HSTSs, i think it would be a half napoleon rather than no napoleon since the gender identity lines up, which is half for half in the napoleon example. the other half would be the biological sex part

 

[SIGSEGV]

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>that font rendering
Unironically kill yourself.