Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[SaidNoOneEver]

"No big deal." In some demos of society if a girl wasn't knocked up (and married) by 17 people began to wonder if she was barren. It was far more scandalous that Chaplin knocked her up out of wed lock back then than her being 16.

The federal age of consent was raised to 17 in 1885.

 

[Newman's Own]

The federal age of consent was raised to 17 in 1885.

Unless they were married. That's part of the reason so many peoples great and great great grandmothers were married at 15 or 16.

It was common in Europe and America. Chaplin's crime wasn't sleeping with underage girls. His crime was not marrying them first.

Times have changed since then. The consent laws have lower ages but the social stigma has gotten more intense.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

Bit of a CreatorGo update: Zener and Oswald failed, Raptor and Glyn succeeded. Raptor is actually an interesting case, as according to an update a single “charitable soul” covered the literal hundreds needed to take it to 100% at the last minute or so.

However, my focus here isn’t on either of those. My focus is on LURE, and what might be the worst campaign reward in all of CG.

See, the main LURE book is self-described as “Eyes Wide Shut meets Saw”, so at bare minimum there’s some kind of torture porn going on. However, LURE itself is not the only book available as part of this campaign.

There are two other rewards that you can get both physically and digitally. The first?

Now, as fucking stupid as this is, it’s still completely sane compared to the other book, that I feel the need to restate is actually available as a physical printed reward:

Yes, the author of LURE has taken the dick pics that she gets on social media, and has decided that printing them out and shipping them as a reward to people who back her torture porn comic IGG was a good idea. In other words, someone in CG is quite literally selling dick pics, albeit not their own.

 

[FROG]

If you fight the Frog you're out of the CG crowd. CG is about loyalty. Until it's not.

Probably don't fight with me then.

CG works when people make contacts and network with other indie professionals and creators for purposes of promotion. Loyalty is valued, because the network requires people to donate their time and extend their energy to help promote others. It's nice to know your fellow creators have your back. And not with a knife.

 

[Newman's Own]

Probably don't fight with me then.

Who's fighting you Ethan? I just left CG when it became a fan club for you. I'm not a fan if you hadn't noticed. Now I shit post about how pathetic you and your spergy obsequious fan club (@TheCosmicWarrior @Nasser123) are on an obscure doxing site.

That's not fighting champ. Is that why you come here?

And they all have a knife. Especially you.

 

[BlueKnight]

Who's fighting you Ethan? I just left CG when it became a fan club for you. I'm not a fan if you hadn't noticed. Now I shit post about how pathetic you and your spergy obsequious fan club (@TheCosmicWarrior @Nasser123) are on an obscure doxing site.

That's not fighting champ. Is that why you come here?

And they all have a knife. Especially you.

People seem to forget this very basic rule:

You don't have to be a fan of the 800 lb gorilla (Frog).
But you also don't have to be an antagonistic asshole.

Personally I'm a fan though.

 

[Newman's Own]

People seem to forget this very basic rule:

You don't have to be a fan of the 800 lb gorilla (Frog).
But you also don't have to be an antagonistic asshole.

Personally I'm a fan though.

CG stopped being something other than an Ethan fanclub years ago now. His fans don't see that but from the outside looking in it's pretty obvious. People who stopped supporting Ethan or spoke up about what they didn't like were branded "anti-CG" by Ethan, Warcampaign and his other followers. Now WarCampaign are called anti-CG by many because they left the fan club or betrayed the "Caesar".

There is one common denominator. If you're with Ethan your in if your not you're out.

That seems like a fan club to me. It's why I'm out. That and I've realized how embarrassing it is.

 

[Rupin]

The federal age of consent was raised to 17 in 1885.

CG stopped being something other than an Ethan fanclub years ago now. His fans don't see that but from the outside looking in it's pretty obvious. People who stopped supporting Ethan or spoke up about what they didn't like were branded "anti-CG" by Ethan, Warcampaign and his other followers. Now WarCampaign are called anti-CG by many because they left the fan club or betrayed the "Caesar".

There is one common denominator. If you're with Ethan your in if your not you're out.

That seems like a fan club to me. It's why I'm out. That and I've realized how embarrassing it is.

it also didn’t help that the anti cgers were embarrassing themselves every step of the way to the point where they started infighting.

And in reality it wasn’t an anti CG club but, rather an anti Ethan club. You don’t have to like Ethan or be in his good graces to be CG. You just have to know how to market yourself, be responsible for the completion of your product and keep your customers happy. Granted you most likely won’t make as much money as Ethan or any of his inner circle do but, you can cut your own nice little slice of the pie like Sweetcast and JDA did.

 

[Miniluv]

i remember when Adam was showing the page layout for his mermaid book and it had the same four panel layout as his College of the Dead 2 book. Billy Tucci tried to give him some good advice on how to layout the page properly by showing an example of his own and the advice just went right over Adam’s head.

Adam is overall a nice guy and not a total faggot like Micah, so it wouldn't be right to remove him. His projects are ABSOLUTE TRASH though. Margins aside. I've said it before, but how the fuck does someone who has "been in comics" for decades not know how a comic page should be laid out?I even remember him clapping back at people who criticized College of the Dead 2 for the margin issues by just pointing out that he has been a publisher for a long time and knows what he's doing. But then he needs Ethan and based Billy Tucci to give him a fucking tutorial on page layouts for Mermaids.

Went back and checked out Post's IGG campaigns and I'm just kind of amazed at how bad his books look. The "making of" Mermaids book still shows the shitty, boring layouts he originally envisioned for the comic, looking much like static storyboards instead of a flowing, dynamic comic story. It took actual artists schooling him on the basics to make that thing look somewhat presentable. I know Michael Derrick is a whiny bitch, but I'd much rather read that Greyskale book than the fucking Mermaid shit. Frog may think Greyskale isn't even middle tier stuff but it's a damn sight better looking than this thing he lets Adam shill on his channel.

Putting aside the layouts, the art is amateur hour and the subject matter seems rather fruity for the EVS audience. Even Frog's magic touch couldn't get this crud to $13k. Ethan's blessing is a powerful thing when it comes to getting a book funded but even the most ardent paypig has to have some expectation of quality. Wart the Wizard got pushed to $17k which is a feat that took the combined efforts of Frog shilling, e-thottery, and simp bucks because the book was just really terrible and there was no way around it.

Adam's refrain of "I've been a publisher a long time" got me curious as I had never heard of the guy despite decades of reading and collecting comics, so I wanted to see what his credentials are. ComicVine shows his name attached to these titles:

Spoiler

These indie porn comics are the shield Adam uses to deflect genuine criticism. How dare you tell the editor of "Secret Files: Erotic Experiments" how to lay out a comic book page!

Between his awful projects and having the personality of dry toast, I honestly wonder if he has incriminating photos of EVS somewhere. I mean, he seems like a nice, friendly dude but is that enough to get a regular spot at the cool kids table? He doesn't meet the Malin Standard of 3k subs, his content gets shit for views, and he doesn't really seem to know what he's doing on a basic level. How this stuff is considered even mid-tier indie fare is beyond me.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Who's fighting you Ethan? I just left CG when it became a fan club for you. I'm not a fan if you hadn't noticed. Now I shit post about how pathetic you and your spergy obsequious fan club (@TheCosmicWarrior @Nasser123) are on an obscure doxing site.

That's not fighting champ. Is that why you come here?

And they all have a knife. Especially you.

"Who's fighting you Ethan"?

Meanwhile, you're on your 250th bitchy, spurned fanboy response to one of his posts.

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

"Who's fighting you Ethan"?

Meanwhile, you're on your 250th bitchy, spurned fanboy response to one of his posts.

Not sure what’s worse - bitchy, spurned fanboy responses or being bonded to EVS’s sigmoid colon at a genetic & molecular level, Starscream’s Cape.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Not sure what’s worse - bitchy, spurned fanboy responses or being bonded to EVS’s sigmoid colon at a genetic & molecular level, Starscream’s Cape.

Well there it is, I've angered someone who's been on the board for a whole month.

What can I do to make it up to you?

 

[Newman's Own]

Granted you most likely won’t make as much money as Ethan or any of his inner circle do but, you can cut your own nice little slice of the pie like Sweetcast and JDA did.

Sweetcast was always part of Scivergate and JDA was persona non grata in the club until recently. JDA needed to be accepted back into Ethan's good graces to see his recent surge in crowd fund money.

You're making my point for me.

"Who's fighting you Ethan"?

Meanwhile, you're on your 250th bitchy, spurned fanboy response to one of his posts.

I'd have to have been a fan to feel spurned Cape. I enjoyed some of Ethan's shows for a short time but grew bored pretty quickly and only ever caught up on drama streams after a while. (the skip ahead button and 2x speed helped a lot) I've never been impressed with his art. I was never a fan.

This is your 250th post bitching about me fanboy. At least daddy gives you head pats for it though right?

I truly hate you all.

Except Starscream's Cape.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

I'd have to have been a fan to feel spurned Cape. I enjoyed some of Ethan's shows for a short time but grew bored pretty quickly and only ever caught up on drama streams after a while. (the skip ahead button and 2x speed helped a lot) I've never been impressed with his art. I was never a fan.

This thread is supposed to be about Comicsgate. It's nice to have the biggest personality in it as a participant in the thread to give insight. There's a handful of others here too. When the latest war campaign drama unfolds or Smiller does something dumb, we occasionally get some amusing info. We even get some technical behind the scenes on CG crowd funding in general.

But nobody, and I mean nobody is here to read about your personal Comicsgate adventure you fucking faggot.

 

[Pilule Noire]

I don't want to 'fight' with Frog by questioning his assertions, causing him to throw swears and sulk, so I won't @ him or quote-reply him, but I do just want to remind youngsters on here that he has no education, has never read a full page of a word-book his whole life, and therefore we must take his assertions with a pinch of salt.

Specifically I question his idea of a promotional co-operative creator network being the foundation of CG. I think the promotion aspect is important, not the co-operative aspect.

We've seen how enemies of CG (Tim Lim) have done just as well, if not better than co-operative CG stalwarts like Adam Post. What could the reason be?

I've not read either of them, but as far as I can tell, the reason for their respective numbers is that one creator is shit at comics and the other creator is good at comics.

I think as much as we like to attribute Cecil and Malin's numbers to Frog's promotion, it can't really be denied that their products look like good products, which no doubt helped their numbers along with Frog's energetic promotional drives.

Now let's say Wenger's Aldrake had gotten the same treatment, either the Adam Post 'kinda snuck in there' approach or the full-throated 'War on SJW' promo efforts that Frog made for Cecil and Malin on his show.

Would Aldrake be sitting at $100K right now?

(Should Aldrake be sitting at $100K right now? I bet @Wenger thinks so!)

A further example is Ya Boi Zack, who is raising great numbers on some (imo) pretty crap-looking comics, without participating in any 'co-operative network' activity. I mean, looking at his high-profile Expendables: Go To Hell project, he never even did one video with Chuck Dixon and Graham Nolan, his co-writer and artist, who are both on Youtube too. They never did one video together! Yet they still raised hundred of thousands.

Now it's certainly nice for the creators to have a big loving, hugbox network, blowing smoke up each other's butts about how great they are - but isn't that what Liam and Micah do?

Isn't that just exactly what Liam and Micah do?

I don't think that necessarily sells comics. I think only two things are needed:

- A good product
- People to know about the good product

If you lack either then you are more likely to fail. If you have both, then the whole thing becomes easy.

But this whole 'co-operative network' of creators all being nice to each other is pointless as far as I can tell.

Ironically that kind of networking would only have a purpose if they were planning to form a hated conglomerate entity, the Image-style Derrickcorp that they disgustedly condemned the other night.

In practice, that creator-networking is only good when there's real talent being showcased, good product. Anything less is just a waste of everyone's time. And lying about shit comics being good only damages your own credibility.

I'm not so sure about the style of promotion I see from Malin, Dillard, Simeti and others, where it's more like a formal interview. I think that can work, but it almost becomes too deferential (that means 'respectful' Frog, save you looking it up) leading to a more boring, unentertaining 'infomercial' style of content.

It would be better if we had more bold customers, to put these coddled creators in their place. A hard customer, a rough customer, like the Hut perhaps. Or even a little less rough, like velvety-voiced Well Read. Either way is good, as long as they aren't gay about it.

It's not happened in CG because Frog is more of a Big Gay Al than a Simon Cowell.

And that's also the big problem with the CG/anti-CG divide, it's just two rival sets of simps. I like what F Off Well Read is doing with his reviews because I want to see these creators really challenged, instead of being pimped out like ugly heifers at a backwater brothel. Well Read did a smart thing by looking at the books themselves, circumventing all the stupid social niceties involved in a 'creator network'.

Perhaps we'll see another proof of my point with the forthcoming RIPPAVERSE:

Eric July has done the build-your-platform bit, he's done the hone-your-craft bit, and he's about to do the launch-a-good-product bit. He likely won't need to get involved in any gay social network to succeed.

 

[Rupin]

Sweetcast was always part of Scivergate and JDA was persona non grata in the club until recently. JDA needed to be accepted back into Ethan's good graces to see his recent surge in crowd fund money.

You're making my point for me.


I'd have to have been a fan to feel spurned Cape. I enjoyed some of Ethan's shows for a short time but grew bored pretty quickly and only ever caught up on drama streams after a while. (the skip ahead button and 2x speed helped a lot) I've never been impressed with his art. I was never a fan.

This is your 250th post bitching about me fanboy. At least daddy gives you head pats for it though right?

Sweetcast has been making moves on his own for awhile with very little help from Ethan. He barely appears on Ethan’s channel. He is friendly with Ethan and that’s a plus but, he really doesn’t need him.
As for JDA, most of Ethan’s fans don’t even like him. Ethan keeps JDA at arm’s length and never really promotes his campaigns. JDA never appears on Ethan’s streams. The only time they interact is on here, twitter or one of Nasser’s streams. Deus Vault made it’s money with no help from Ethan at all.

Sweetcast produces good looking books that people like and JDA finally found himself a decent artist to help create a book that people would actually want to buy.

How is that proving your point?

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Sweetcast has been making moves on his own for awhile with very little help from Ethan. He barely appears on Ethan’s channel. He is friendly with Ethan and that’s a plus but, he really doesn’t need him.
As for JDA, most of Ethan’s fans don’t even like him. Ethan keeps JDA at arm’s length and never really promotes his campaigns. JDA never appears on Ethan’s streams. The only time they interact is on here, twitter or one of Nasser’s streams. Deus Vault made it’s money with no help from Ethan at all.

Sweetcast produces good looking books that people like and JDA finally found himself a decent artist to help create a book that people would actually want to buy.

How is that proving your point?

I think there was some pretty bad blood for a while between EVS and JDA. Might take a while for both to get over it, but hopefully they do. It seems John has learned the Aubrey Sitterson lesson. Why go out of your way to antagonize fans when it's easier to be cordial to everyone. And you're right, Deus Vault looks pretty good. He may not get all of CG but he's getting some just by not being a foe.

Sweetcast seems like a good guy but his stuff holds no appeal for me.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I think there was some pretty bad blood for a while between EVS and JDA. Might take a while for both to get over it, but hopefully they do.

They both talked out their beef on my stream a few months ago, and everything's been great since.

 

[Newman's Own]

The only time they interact is on here, twitter or one of Nasser’s streams. Deus Vault made it’s money with no help from Ethan at all.

Sweetcast produces good looking books that people like and JDA finally found himself a decent artist to help create a book that people would actually want to buy.

How is that proving your point?

I'll try to make this as simple and clear as possible.

Ethan calls someone a white supremacist and says he's in league with problematic crypto-Nazi 14 words dude and suddenly his crowd funders are making way less because he's lost the Ethan loyalists.

He kisses enough ass to be welcomed back but not promoted and the fact he was just welcomed back is enough for a substantial jump in sales (even before Deus Vault with shit art).

Basically it's the same with Nasser who publicly declared he was done with comics until Ethan welcomed him back.

His numbers went up, no promotion from Ethan necessary.

Clint would also lose a massive amount of support if Ethan decided to publicly make him persona non grata. He might not lose as much as JDA or Nasser because his product isn't as shit as theirs has been but he'd still lose and it would still hurt.

If you fight with the Frog he can hurt your bottom line because his fan club believes whatever he says.

Apparently JDA isn't a racist anymore and Nasser isn't an evil prick out to destroy TUG or whatever YellowFlash ranted anymore. Because daddy says so.

CG is a fan club and the people who think for themselves in it are few and far between.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I'll try to make this as simple and clear as possible.

Ethan calls someone a white supremacist and says he's in league with problematic crypto-Nazi 14 words dude and suddenly his crowd funders are making way less because he's lost the Ethan loyalists.

He kisses enough ass to be welcomed back but not promoted and the fact he was just welcomed back is enough for a substantial jump in sales (even before Deus Vault with shit art).

Basically it's the same with Nasser who publicly declared he was done with comics until Ethan welcomed him back.

His numbers went up, no promotion from Ethan necessary.

Clint would also lose a massive amount of support if Ethan decided to publicly make him persona non grata. He might not lose as much as JDA or Nasser because his product isn't as shit as theirs has been but he'd still lose and it would still hurt.

If you fight with the Frog he can hurt your bottom line because his fan club believes whatever he says.

Apparently JDA isn't a racist anymore and Nasser isn't an evil prick out to destroy TUG or whatever YellowFlash ranted anymore. Because daddy says so.

CG is a fan club and the people who think for themselves in it are few and far between.

You mad bro?