War Gun control is a lost cause. Come despair with me.

Gun control is a lost cause. Come despair with me.​

Ross K. Baker
Fri, April 23, 2021, 12:00 AM·4 min read
Let’s start with the fact that there are enough guns in this country so that every man, woman and child could have one. Add to that a couple of Supreme Court decisions that enshrine gun ownership alongside freedom of speech and freedom of assembly as constitutionally hallowed rights. On top of that is the fact that even such modest efforts at the state level to limiting access to guns to people deemed dangerous to themselves have proved ineffective. No better example of this is the fact that the Indiana "red flag" lawdesigned to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people only temporarily delayed the killer of eight people in Indianapolis from getting his hands on the weapon used to take their lives. Gun control advocacy stands high in the ranks of lost causes and futile campaigns alongside legitimating polygamy and scrapping the national anthem for something more singable.
The brief flicker of hope that somehow the financial problems of the National Rifle Association, and the profligate spending of members’ dues by one its top executives, might stifle the effectiveness of the opposition to even the most modest efforts to control firearms or reduce their lethality became an iridescent dream — and seemed to prove that the organization itself was never much of a factor in blocking gun-control legislation.
What kills such efforts in Congress, even in the wake of the unspeakable slaughter of the innocents at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, is the recognition in the minds of politicians that there are voters in their states and districts who are Second Amendment absolutists, whether they be the kind of people who shoot at targets for practice or those who might shoot at people because of malice or derangement.

States' gun laws​

So strong is the constituency for firearms ownership in Congress that a law is on the books immunizing gun manufacturers and sellers from lawsuits arising out of the use of their products for mass shootings and mayhem on smaller scale. It is the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act that became effective in 2005.
The response of the gun industry has been, from a business standpoint, quite rational: Sellers give the consumers what they demand. The only limit is that they cannot manufacture or sell fully automatic machine guns.
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Guns on Feb. 5, 2013, in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
As we have seen in the case of Indiana’s modest efforts to keep firearms out of the hands of potentially dangerous people, enforcement is easily circumvented, and even the strictest state laws are at the mercy of the lax or nonexistent limits on gun ownership in adjacent states.
My own state of New Jersey with some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the nation is located adjacent to Pennsylvania, a state with few limits on who can get access to a gun. Worse, perhaps, is the fact that Interstate 95 runs up the spine of the state and has been referred to as “the iron highway” for the brisk traffic in guns being brought into New Jersey from states to the south.
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The once plausible argument that gun ownership was somehow connected to membership in state militias was cast aside by a Supreme Court dominated by “originalists” who developed historical amnesia about the Founding Fathers' dread of standing armies and preference for “a well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,” and declared that the only operative phrase in the Second Amendment was “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

No way to stop it​

This interpretation of the amendment might, to some extent, be influencing the longest shot of all: the enlargement of the Supreme Court to redress the imbalance in the number of justices that endows conservatives with a solid voting majority. Congress can indeed enlarge the court, but that would take a statute that would require a supermajority of 60 votes, which is not currently available. It is doubtful, moreover, that even all 50 Democratic and independent senators would approve the enlargement.
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And this is where things stand: Daily, weekly, monthly massacres of sizable numbers of victims enabled by a patchwork of ineffective, indifferently enforced state laws, and the awesomely destructive firepower of many of the weapons used in these assaults.
Unbalanced, vengeful or politically motivated assailants armed, in many cases, with charismatic weapons patterned on those used by the military will continue to inflict death and grievous injury on innocent people. There is, effectively, no way to stop it.
Ross K. Baker is a distinguished professor of political science at Rutgers University and a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors. Follow him on Twitter: @Rosbake1
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The problem is with the "doxxing" of the Rittenhouse donors. Even though people posted anonymously, the hacking and leaking of that information revealed email addresses. Sadly, boomers have never heard of protonmail, and considering this was the same time as the Dems pushing that Minnesota Bail Fund thing, Republicans/right wingers should be able to donate to somebody's bail, right?

WRONG. Now we have journoscum going to people's houses for "their side in this crime story", or people getting fired.
Wonder how you'd manage to fix that. Such a mystery.
 
Wonder how you'd manage to fix that. Such a mystery.
It was already "fixed" when the journo in question was doxxed within 20 minutes and cried that "he and the police thought it safest if he stopped tweeting and hid like a little bitch"

Journos think they're untouchable until someone does some "investigative reporting" on them and they fold up and run because the have no spines.

Remember they are all so terrified of the imaginary right wing death squads they keep insisting actually exsist, that if they think they're in that particular boogeyman crosshairs they'll shit themselves.
 
The problem is with the "doxxing" of the Rittenhouse donors. Even though people posted anonymously, the hacking and leaking of that information revealed email addresses. Sadly, boomers have never heard of protonmail, and considering this was the same time as the Dems pushing that Minnesota Bail Fund thing, Republicans/right wingers should be able to donate to somebody's bail, right?

WRONG. Now we have journoscum going to people's houses for "their side in this crime story", or people getting fired.

I do think there could be a sort of "self defense" fund established, but who can run it without dipping in? Dems don't care if their organizers dip in because they accept the grift and the money laundering (see BLM).
Hence non partisan approach.
Take Floyd. He did a crime with a firearm and a pregnant lady. According to my the idea listed he'd get help beatong the legal system. Its stupid and over the top insane but thats what the left (and trump) did. They ask and push for a very extreme, very irrational and over the top surreal position. Then they get something lesser then that. Its called hi balling and it works. Making unreasonable demands is a power play in it self.

The reasoning beyond this crack head idea is the state exists as a mediator and regulator of unsanctioned violence. Erase its ability to do this, force people to fend for them selves and the state gets erased.

Plus doxing. I doubt a journalist would find it wise to mess with a legal advocacy group who repeals any laws concerning violence and gets along with everyone from anti fa, hell's angels, Aryan brotherhood and so forth because of said efforts to repeal such laws.

As for corruption?
That depends where the money comes from. If the money comes from finding ways to funnel resources from government agencies and large corporations (such as google) the same way consultants weasel money out of both then corruption isnt an issue but part of the plan to get the collapse to happen faster.

Its a crack head idea but its an idea to deal with clown world. Whatever. Im just rambling. I just think how extreme the elites have become warrants ideas such as I just posted (no matter how dumb they are)
 
Looking at the picture in the article, I've realized that I don't have any knives attached to any of my guns.

I'm going to be fixing that real soon.
Nah, you gotta go that extra mile, so that when everyone has knives on their guns you're already ahead of the curve
Slap these babies on your pic rails and you can hack and dismember rather then stab.
 

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I was listening to an interview on CBC some years back about American gun culture, the NRA and where the modern American gun culture originated from. The answer might surprise you, it was during the Civil War when the Union Army needed conscripts that they realized Americans in the North needed some rifle practice so they looked to gun clubs and militias in Canada for ideas and in a surprising way borrowed from the frontier town gun culture in Canada to help foster an interest in shooting. The thing about Canada and other commonwealth nations is that our laws derive from the crown and founding legal documents like Magna Carta. So going all the way back to the Middle Ages there have been laws prohibiting the carrying of swords unless you are part of the army or a town militia.

In any case gun culture was encouraged, rifle clubs became more popular and more conscripts were familiarized with their firearms. The next part is even more interesting, the largest pitched battle after the US Civil War was the battle for Blair Mountain when a coal miner’s strike was brutally suppressed by the coal barons with their hired goons who went as far as to massacre the families of coal miners. The coal miners picked up their guns and fought back. In this armed struggle the eight hour day, weekend and unions were won through the rifle and it became a part of American working class power. I’ll have to find the specific interview if I can to post it here because it is very interesting. When I had learned this history I had a lot more respect for the issue of gun control in the United States. Personally I think fully automatic military grade weapons and concealable handguns should be prohibited and guns should be limited to semi-automatic weapons to be used primarily for hunting and the shooting range. Although knowing the history of armed working class struggle and how the rights of workers were won puts gun rights into an interesting perspective. There is a chilling quote from Mao, “power comes from the barrel of a gun.” It’s a simple truth but ideally in a democratic system you shouldn’t need a gun to lobby the government and robber barons when you have representatives and a legal process.

Edit: I just found this on the subject saying coal companies recently were seeking to erase the site of the largest civil uprising in US history. It’s amazing that in 1920’s America black workers, white workers and immigrant workers stood side by side to face down the coal barons. People said the working conditions and company store was basically another form of slavery. This kind of event should be taught in schools as a pivotal moment in American history and never forgotten.

Few Canadians are aware that the first sport to receive federal funding in their fair and peaceful land, almost as soon as Canada became Canada, was rifle shooting. In 1867, the British North America Act created Canada; in 1868, motivated by the need to defend peace, order, and good government, Canada became a nation of riflemen through a Militia Act that created a 40,000-man active militia.

The federal government was soon funding the newborn Dominion of Canada Rifle Association to the tune of $10,000 a year. Ottawa also provided rifles to all active militia members, bought and rented rifle ranges for the Rifle Association, funded rifle competitions, and provided a supply of cheap ammunition. National defence was an urgent matter. Everyone still remembered the Fenian raids. With all that money behind them, Canadian shooters were soon winning medals in international rifle matches, and in 1871 at Wimbledon — a venue then known for rifle shooting, and not for tennis — took prizes in all events they entered.

“In England, and more especially in Canada, the policy of providing ranges of sufficient extent for long-range rifle practice, has developed a large and formidable force for national defence,” remarked an 1872 editorial in the New York Times. “Canada today has 45,000 trained marksmen among her volunteers, England 150,000, while the United States has none.”

The Times even agreed that there was some merit to the common public view of the New York National Guard as a force “terrible only in the eyes of boys and young women; and whose chief victories are won on the floors of ballrooms.” This was the best-organized state militia in the United States, yet its members suffered “lamentable ignorance in the proper use of their weapons,” and were they to come up against Canada’s crack shots … well, America could hardly pretend that losing would not matter, which is one of several ways in which warfare differs from Olympic hockey.

In 1871, dismayed by the poor shooting they had seen among Union recruits in the Civil War, and sharing the popular view that individual marksmanship would settle the fate of nations, Gen. George Wingate and Col. William C. Church followed the example set by Canada and Britain and founded the National Rifle Association to “promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis.” For help, they turned to the experts. The NRA sent emissaries to Canada, Germany, and England to confer with expert marksmen and military thinkers, and Canadian rifle shooters were soon helping to instruct the NRA’s members. In 1872, when the NRA started building the first rifle range in the United States at Creedmoor on Long Island, they enlisted the assistance of their Canadian counterparts. Even when it comes to the NRA, we can blame Canada.
 
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It’s a simple truth but ideally in a democratic system you shouldn’t need a gun to lobby the government and robber barons when you have representatives and a legal process.
The old saying goes "Soap box, Ballot box, Jury box, Ammo(cartridge) box, use in that order"
The idea is that the 2A and guns are the final redress when the other 3 have failed.

Unfortunately the soapbox is being censored and unpopular opinions are being silenced.

Peiople are starting to belive the Ballot box is being stuffed by bad actors and people are losing trust in the system.

We're at the jury box phase, and while trump insured a right leaning SCOTUS for a while, if biden packs the courts he deligitimizes the jury box.

Where does that leave us?
 
I was listening to an interview on CBC some years back about American gun culture, the NRA and where the modern American gun culture originated from. The answer might surprise you, it was during the Civil War when the Union Army needed conscripts that they realized Americans in the North needed some rifle practice so they looked to gun clubs and militias in Canada for ideas and in a surprising way borrowed from the frontier town gun culture in Canada to help foster an interest in shooting. The thing about Canada and other commonwealth nations is that our laws derive from the crown and founding legal documents like Magna Carta. So going all the way back to the Middle Ages there have been laws prohibiting the carrying of swords unless you are part of the army or a town militia.

In any case gun culture was encouraged, rifle clubs became more popular and more conscripts were familiarized with their firearms. The next part is even more interesting, the largest pitched battle after the US Civil War was the battle for Blair Mountain when a coal miner’s strike was brutally suppressed by the coal barons with their hired goons who went as far as to massacre the families of coal miners. The coal miners picked up their guns and fought back. In this armed struggle the eight hour day, weekend and unions were won through the rifle and it became a part of American working class power. I’ll have to find the specific interview if I can to post it here because it is very interesting. When I had learned this history I had a lot more respect for the issue of gun control in the United States. Personally I think fully automatic military grade weapons and concealable handguns should be prohibited and guns should be limited to semi-automatic weapons to be used primarily for hunting and the shooting range. Although knowing the history of armed working class struggle and how the rights of workers were won puts gun rights into an interesting perspective. There is a chilling quote from Mao, “power comes from the barrel of a gun.” It’s a simple truth but ideally in a democratic system you shouldn’t need a gun to lobby the government and robber barons when you have representatives and a legal process.

Edit: I just found this on the subject saying coal companies to this day are seeking to erase the site of the largest civil uprising in US history. It’s amazing that in 1920’s America black workers, white workers and immigrant workers stood side by side to face down the coal barons. People said the working conditions and company store was basically another form of slavery. This kind of event should be taught in schools as a pivotal moment in American history.
You should have told us in advance we're supposed to read this whole thing in Elmer Fudd's voice.
 
You should have told us in advance we're supposed to read this whole thing in Elmer Fudd's voice.
Oh I get it lol. I guess my own biases are different from where I’m at and what the debate is in my own country. I forgot there is a rule called the grandfather clause so if you have any vintage firearms as family heirlooms you can own those. I got to shoot some rounds off a Luger and Walther P38 once. A distant relative in WWII took them off of some surrendering Germans in Holland. It feels good to shoot guns I’m not going to lie. Luger is inaccurate as fuck but the Walther was amazing. Shooting clay pigeons is also very satisfying. There were was some biker gang that got busted recently and I thought it was interesting they were caught carrying a vintage Walther P38
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Also, something something shall not be infringed, something something, "How do we get guns into the hands of the other 11?" This soyfag's salty sweet tears are delicious, especially when he finally realizes the NRA was just a windmill and not a giant after all. You can see the gears slowly turn as he realizes that people actually care about gun rights here in the USA, and it isn't because of any edict from up high to do so.
Seeing that brought a rather peculiar smile to my lips as well.... "Wait, you mean people actually bought guns of their own accord?! It wasn't just a political thing? "
 
Oh I get it lol. I guess my own biases are different from where I’m at and what the debate is in my own country. I forgot there is a rule called the grandfather clause so if you have any vintage firearms as family heirlooms you can own those. I got to shoot some rounds off a Luger and Walther P38 once. A distant relative in WWII took them off of some surrendering Germans in Holland. It feels good to shoot guns I’m not going to lie. Luger is inaccurate as fuck but the Walther was amazing. Shooting clay pigeons is also very satisfying. There were was some biker gang that got busted recently and I thought it was interesting they were caught carrying a vintage Walther P38View attachment 2118058

That's likely a Walther P1, a post-war version of the P38 with an alloy frame instead of the steel frame used on WWII P38s and a few other changes to make manufacturing simpler. Genuine P38s go for hefty prices, but the P1s can be had for much lower prices due to them being manufactured in larger numbers than the P38.
 
Guns are fine as long as niggers are selling them lol. They keep moving the goalposts.
I have mixed feelings. One hand it then admitting gun control is a lost cause. On the other hand its them trying to control the market via sponsoring loyaltist owned shops (backed by tax payer money) to squeeze non goverment sponsored shops out of bussiness
 
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