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[X Prime]

And while he is still prone to essays, he comes across as less dislikeable, there's often some kind of interesting nugget of information buried in his rants, AND he had the balls to admit he was wrong.

It's not even any of that. The problem with the current autist is that he comes off as whining while trying desperately to pretend he's not whining.

Say what you want about Drain Todger, but he didn't have that vibe.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

You seem like you have aids, if you ever get laid make sure to tell them first. You wouldn't want to go to jail right?

Also you really should read the story first, he went around pulling his mask down and coughing at people in the face saying he was going to give them covid while he was waiting for a test. I know you are pro aids and covid but it a bit of a bad look to not have read the story before hand.

He's doing the Lord's work of getting us to herd immunity naturally. Suck it pharma shill.

As much as I hate to reopen this bag of dicks...what the fuck now? (archive)

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Yes, as has been noted endlessly in this thread, in order to be qualified for Emergency Use Authorization there is to be no approved treatment for whatever illness the EUA'd treatment is being authorized for.

 

[Product Placement]

He's doing the Lord's work of getting us to herd immunity naturally. Suck it pharma shill.
Yes, as has been noted endlessly in this thread, in order to be qualified for Emergency Use Authorization there is to be no approved treatment for whatever illness the EUA'd treatment is being authorized for.

You seem a bit mad, did you miss your aids meds today?

Not sure why some of you here want to spread aids so much as well as covid, think you would want to keep that shit to your self.

 

[Bosmadden]

Good thing I didn't call for "forcing a vaccine by law," cuck.


My objection has nothing to do with the accuracy of VAERs and everything to do with the voluntary element. "Any reporting" is not over reporting. The Flu vaccine is not an irregular vaccine under scrutiny, these vaccines are, as antivaxers reiterate over and over again. You aren't alone in this scrutiny. Your belief that doctors are simply shutting their eyes and not documenting anything even though every fucker in this thread has a "MY doctor TOLD ME that HE didn't THINK the MASKS work!!!!" story is laughable, and the fact that you believe it means you're more susceptible to vague big bubble conspiracy theory propaganda than your average doc. Add to this the fact that the old and infirm who are more prone to death by all causes are being vaccinated first while the Flu is mainly given to the young due to the difference in threat profile, and it turns out the stats look fine.
I don't care if you "trust the experts," but pretending you have a sufficient depth of knowledge to contest the current prevailing thought with a very cursory understanding of the subject (in case VAERS) is actively harmful to your ability to argue the point or address reality. I am humoring you and trying to explain these concepts with only a moderate level of snark because I think you and many other people who never heard of VAERS before 2020 are legitimately confused underneath the anti-health paranoia, not because you have made coherent objections to anything I have said about it.

Reiterating facts does not make them when they do not in fact support your beliefs. The paper you cited that claims (which I agree with) does not claim that vaccines for all the many many reasons I described. So far as the bolded portion, no fucking clue! No one actually knows at the moment and no one who claims to has passed peer review.
Do you know which vaccines cause "hyper rare bleeding disorders" (extremely rarely)? It's AstraZeneca/JnJ, and in case you didn't notice,

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The pause is ending on JnJ, but a warning is being added that you are literally required to inform the patients of before vaccination by law, and doctors are being advised to restrict it to people who have a more favorable cost/benefit, i.e. not younger white women who aren't obese or immunocompromised.
This is obviously a testament to how the system TOTALLY ISN'T WORKING by doing its job, though, right?

No, I am not in favor of children being vaccinated based on present evidence. Your 4000 dead children number came out of your ass, but I don't think the impetus is strong enough regardless of if it's zero, one, or four thousand. Thank you for actually asking me instead of simply stating I do and being wrong, even if you added on your smug retarded projection anyway.


You seem very fixated on cock. Just saying.


Now think long and hard about all of the faggots in this thread who keep pretending I am, and whether or not their hot takes on 'rona are based on some legitimate belief or just pure cope.
Airing my laundry again, I would have preferred extremely strict foreign travel restrictions in January/February/April 2020 pending the ability to rapidly test the population, and then thorough ("free," voluntary) mass testing efforts to identify hotspots, and to encourage targeted local, county-level restrictions voluntarily enacted by county-level government that addresses a specific spike instead of these statewide ones that just drag on forever and only modestly stifle spread.
Lockdown worked for China in a very limited sense, but it cost them their already limited liberty and thousands of lives aside from COVID, and the US has applied this bizarre half-way voluntary lockdown that people keep calling a "lockdown" when it's really just the feds glaring at you if you go outside, instead of picking something more appropriate for a free country. It's the dumbest possible approach.
You don't have to believe in some asinine "it's all made up!!!! just a flu bro!!!!" conspiracy theory to hold these views. They're perfectly justifiable based on the same facts everyone else on the planet is using, except maybe the WHO, who probably still doesn't think it's a pandemic.


I will happily admit I am wrong when one of you catches me on an honest mistake, instead of just making shit up you think I said because you can't. I'm here to learn, this is a COVID discussion thread, even if it's mostly just a tardhaven these days in practice.
Edit: I'll even offer one up free of charge, probably the closest anyone got was the callout on EUA vs FDA approval. I'm personally way too used to dealing with breakthrough therapy/accelerated approval, so when I talk about FDA approval I'm used to meaning "being approved by the FDA," not a full "FDA approval," which I can understand being confusing especially in this context. What I was trying to emphasize was that EUA still undergo thorough review of known facts before approval by the FDA, and have ongoing monitoring at the strictest level by the FDA, not that it was a full "FDA approval." It's a really weak thing to hit me with, let alone to attempt to discredit everything else I've said like a petulant child, but I probably should watch out on how I represent that particular bit of language. I'm not a medical writer and have no interest in becoming one and this is why, it's hard stuff.

So far all I've learned is that even of KF, some people will believe literally anything someone claiming to be an accomplished PhD says without checking their sources or receipts. That is to say, unless the paper is written by a credible expert in a credible paper and disagrees with the idea vaccines are cancer-killing turbo AIDS death engines, then it's part of THE PLAN.
Several times now I've had people @ me with papers that disagree with their own claims, and they quit talking about the subject whenever I pointed it out. Those people didn't have the balls to admit shit, thank you very much.
I've also learned that people hate to read on a website with OPs the length of small books. But only when the thing they'd have to read undermines their entire worldview, because they made hating vaccines & distrusting medicine into a personality. Who knew?

It's a relief that you're at last dropping the objective expert commentator bullshit and revealing the hidden autist.

BTW if you're going to power level it won't end well for you. We're all fucking retards on here throwing shit at each other.

Add to this the fact that the old and infirm who are more prone to death by all causes are being vaccinated first while the Flu is mainly given to the young due to the difference in threat profile, and it turns out the stats look fine.

The reported mortality and serious side effect rate of the Covid vaccines are 100 times greater than the seasonal flu vaccine. Thems the facts and we're noticing you aren't denying. Your explanation for this massive disparity is a) anti vax doctors are over reporting to the CDC, you know this because it's 'obvious'. Oh and b) because the flu vaccine is given to young people and the coof shots are given to old people. Am I summarizing your assertions fairly? 70% of adults over 65 got the flu shot last year compared to 38% for those aged 18-49. You can go look that up on the CDC website.

But well done you've actually answered one question, no you're not in favor of vaccinating children. At least you're not a complete psychopath.

 

[Homegrown Homophobia]

The well off and middle classes of the developing world being unhealthy, eating complete garbage and not having a fit culture is no joke.

I remember going to Seoul and being aghast at all of the obesity and beetus I was seeing in Chinese and SE Asian tourists waddling around. And don't get me started about some of the Saudi tourist families I saw.

Japan seems to be getting worse with coronapanic - at least from what I can tell on Yahoo! JAPAN. In pics of people in public outdoors, they're always wearing "face masks". The cartoon mascots of the site wear "face masks". And there's always at least one story in the top headlines about the "pandemic", like "new cases".

I don't think I'd be surprised if the Olympics are postponed yet again - or cancelled - because of this endless BS.

It must suck so much to live there with such a conforming culture and have to put up with this mask bullshit. From what I've heard though Japan does have a pretty vocal and sizable anti-mask contingent.

 

[Autopsy]

It's not even any of that. The problem with the current autist is that he comes off as whining while trying desperately to pretend he's not whining.

The problem at the moment is that I am absolutely openly whining, specifically about being forced to reiterate what I do and don't believe because certain people have their heads so far up their asses they can't read what I wrote.
It's good to know that I'm coming across that way, though, I'll try to dial it back a bit if I get any more questions/responses to address.

Yes, as has been noted endlessly in this thread, in order to be qualified for Emergency Use Authorization there is to be no approved treatment for whatever illness the EUA'd treatment is being authorized for.

This is correct, and the FDA not granting EUA to some of the older drugs that have shown good results for prophylaxis and treatment is incredibly gay and has set things back tremendously, even if doctors are still using many of those drugs off-label.
The vaccines are generally considered to have a different indication from pharmacological prophylaxis, since you don't need to take them constantly for them to work, and they're biologics at the root, not small drugs. Approval of HCQ as prophylaxis would have zero impact on EUA for the vaccines. HCQ actually got EUA, which was revoked when they decided the outcomes data wasn't good enough to justify it. Studies have been pretty inconsistent and none of the ones involved used Zinc, which IMO has more potential as a monotherapy than HCQ does even, but we don't really know yet. Here's the clinical trial to watch along with a few other much smaller trials pending results like this one.

IAm I summarizing your assertions fairly?

But well done you've actually answered one question, no you're not in favor of vaccinating children. At least you're not a complete psychopath.

"No," which is why I'm not going to address your interpretation of your incorrect version of my assessment. You can try again if you want, I'm not twisting your arm.
You've only asked me one question, now two, and I've answered both. I like doing that, it's easy, means I have to write less, and usually productive.
The idea that I am an "objective expert commentator" is entirely your own assertion, and it takes zero medical knowledge to address a lot of antivax claims and misrepresentations, regardless of my personal foundation. Pretty much everyone here is an autist first and foremost, this is KF.

 

[Bosmadden]

The well off and middle classes of the developing world being unhealthy, eating complete garbage and not having a fit culture is no joke.

I remember going to Seoul and being aghast at all of the obesity and beetus I was seeing in Chinese and SE Asian tourists waddling around. And don't get me started about some of the Saudi tourist families I saw.



It must suck so much to live there with such a conforming culture and have to put up with this mask bullshit. From what I've heard though Japan does have a pretty vocal and sizable anti-mask contingent.

If we learn anything from this shit show it's that being obese is WAY WAY worse for your health than we thought, it wrecks the human immune system. Even an innocuous novel common cold bug is knocking over fatties left and right. You would think our medical experts and politicians would be focusing on fixing our fucked up dietary habits, but nah lets spend billions in shooting people up with experimental gene therapies instead,

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

You seem a bit mad, did you miss your aids meds today?

Not sure why some of you here want to spread aids so much as well as covid, think you would want to keep that shit to your self.

I don't know why you're obsessed with poz loads. You sound like the kind of fag who stands near people who are coughing and ejaculates in your pants.

 

[Bosmadden]

The problem at the moment is that I am absolutely openly whining, specifically about being forced to reiterate what I do and don't believe because certain people have their heads so far up their asses they can't read what I wrote.
It's good to know that I'm coming across that way, though, I'll try to dial it back a bit if I get any more questions/responses to address.


This is correct, and the FDA not granting EUA to some of the older drugs that have shown good results for prophylaxis and treatment is incredibly gay and has set things back tremendously, even if doctors are still using many of those drugs off-label.
The vaccines are generally considered to have a different indication from pharmacological prophylaxis, since you don't need to take them constantly for them to work, and they're biologics at the root, not small drugs. Approval of HCQ as prophylaxis would have zero impact on EUA for the vaccines. HCQ actually got EUA, which was revoked when they decided the outcomes data wasn't good enough to justify it. Studies have been pretty inconsistent and none of the ones involved used Zinc, which IMO has more potential as a monotherapy than HCQ does even, but we don't really know yet. Here's the clinical trial to watch along with a few other much smaller trials pending results like this one.


"No," which is why I'm not going to address your interpretation of your incorrect version of my assessment. You can try again if you want, I'm not twisting your arm.
You've only asked me one question, now two, and I've answered both. I like doing that, it's easy, means I have to write less, and usually productive.
The idea that I am an "objective expert commentator" is entirely your own assertion, and it takes zero medical knowledge to address a lot of antivax claims and misrepresentations, regardless of my personal foundation. Pretty much everyone here is an autist first and foremost, this is KF.

Oh you sweet gullible sperg, literally no one on here thinks you're an expert on anything except autistically googling.

You will now link to studies proving that anti vax doctors are over reporting Covid vaccine side effects. And you will also back your assertion that it was mainly young people who got the flu shot last year. These are two 'facts' that you've literally pulled out off your ass.

Again the numbers, as reported, show that the Covid vaccines carry a hundred times greater risk of death and/or serious side effects than the flu vaccine.

Japan seems to be getting worse with coronapanic - at least from what I can tell on Yahoo! JAPAN. In pics of people in public outdoors, they're always wearing "face masks". The cartoon mascots of the site wear "face masks". And there's always at least one story in the top headlines about the "pandemic", like "new cases".

I don't think I'd be surprised if the Olympics are postponed yet again - or cancelled - because of this endless BS.

They won't be stopped because of the coof. They're not allowing foreign tourists to attend the games and the athletes will be tested and cordoned off. I'm more worried about American athletes making embarrassing scenes in front of the Chinks and Nips. Taking BLM knees for the social media likes. For that reason alone I think we should boycott.

 

[JosephStalin]

The well off and middle classes of the developing world being unhealthy, eating complete garbage and not having a fit culture is no joke.

I remember going to Seoul and being aghast at all of the obesity and beetus I was seeing in Chinese and SE Asian tourists waddling around. And don't get me started about some of the Saudi tourist families I saw.



It must suck so much to live there with such a conforming culture and have to put up with this mask bullshit. From what I've heard though Japan does have a pretty vocal and sizable anti-mask contingent.

When in Korea during the mid-70's and early 80's, almost never saw a fat Korean. Incomes were still pretty low, overall.

 

[Autopsy]

You will now link to studies proving that anti vax doctors are over reporting Covid vaccine side effects. And you will also back your assertion that it was mainly young people who got the flu shot last year. These are two 'facts' that you've literally pulled out off your ass.

Fuck off, you're not my dad.
You've thrown in "anti vax" doctors and "over reporting" into your interpretation of my take, no, the claim is that docs and patients have underreported personal health outcomes relative to the population standards you would expect to see in the past (i.e every week 100 people throw a clot regardless of vaccination status, every week 50 of those people are vaccinated, only 1 of those 50 people bother to put it in VAERS which indicates a lower than normal rate of clotting for vaccinated people if taken seriously), which is a well-documented phenomenon.
The claim is rather that they've stopped underreporting now. Pro-vaccine doctors have more reasons to add info on experimental vaccines to VAERS than anyone else. There's more than enough reason to think that public interest is turning under-reporting into over-reporting (not by docs, but specifically random ass people with the V-safe app), but I still have zero interest in demonstrating why I believe so if you're going to argue about it in bad faith. Protip: alleging that the entire medical system is conspiring to kill babies and maim Americans as the basis for your objections is bad faith.
You're also back to claiming that VAERS data is causal, which is actually backtracking from your more accurate conclusion that "trends" are what matter.

While I really shouldn't, I will at least throw you a bone on the age distribution of vaccinations, because I think you just didn't take the point the right way. 69.8% of 65+ers are estimated to have received Flu shots from 2019-2020 based on distribution, while 81.3% of 65+ers have had at least one dose.
Relative quantity of elderly taking COVID vax vs Flu is 1.16:1, and they are the major contributor to fatality reports by medical staff specifically. I imagine the numbers becomes more stark if you break down categories at the 50+ level instead of 65+, but this wasn't my claim to justify in the first place (I picked it up after another lad mentioned it), and I think this is more than enough to demonstrate it's not totally unfounded.

e:

Could have just left it after that first line. Sad.

I can't help it, I really do want to inform and not just shit on retards or these posts would be so much goddamn shorter.

 

[X Prime]

Could have just left it after that first line. Sad.

 

[Product Placement]

I don't know why you're obsessed with poz loads. You sound like the kind of fag who stands near people who are coughing and ejaculates in your pants.

You are projecting again, I know you got who upset when I call that out before and I mean why else did you reply to my anti knowingly spreading diseases post in the way you did, if it didn't hit too close to home for you. But get some help your bug chasing fetish isn't normal and giving your diseases to unaware people is a crime, so stop doing that.

I didn't think knowingly spreading diseases would be something so many here would be for.

 

[Smug Cat]

And while he is still prone to essays, he comes across as less dislikeable, there's often some kind of interesting nugget of information buried in his rants, AND he had the balls to admit he was wrong.

This dood makes me positively nostalgic for Drain Todger. Todger may be an autist but he came across as way more earnest and less masturbatory. Trying to be smarter rather than trying to seem smarter, y'know? Props to Fanatical Pragmatist for his/her superhuman patience actually engaging with this guy.

If we learn anything from this shit show it's that being obese is WAY WAY worse for your health than we thought, it wrecks the human immune system. Even an innocuous novel common cold bug is knocking over fatties left and right. You would think our medical experts and politicians would be focusing on fixing our fucked up dietary habits, but nah lets spend billions in shooting people up with experimental gene therapies instead,

Honestly we already knew how bad obesity was for your health. The medical establishment has been screaming about it for years, saying it's about on par with smoking and causes X number preventable deaths a year etc. That this virus is dropping fatties like flies isn't surprising at all to me.

Our medical experts have been beating this drum already, but our politicians will never try to fix this due to extreme lobbying by various agricultural groups and food companies who make money hand over fist selling soda and big macs to deathfats. There was an unfortunately very successful push a couple decades ago by the agricultural industry to get the political bigwigs, including those putting out dietary recommendations and regulations and such, to demonize fat and lionize sugar and generally put out recommendations that are antithetical to public health but amazing for lining pocketbooks. It's sort of OT and all, but I think this has a lot to do with the current obesity crisis in America.

 

[knobslobbin]

And while he is still prone to essays, he comes across as less dislikeable, there's often some kind of interesting nugget of information buried in his rants, AND he had the balls to admit he was wrong.

Yep, I looked over his postings in other threads and he doesn't seem to be the typical left wing troll. Probably just one of those types that doesn't realize how arrogant and smug they come across. He has good nuggets of info to contribute, but they are wrapped in so much verbosity and athiest neckbeard levels of grandioseness that you wonder if you're smelling butt crack at an MTG competition while reading it.

Didn't just come here to shit on random kiwis I happen to disagree with today. Was out getting a coffee and a bacon+egg bowl at my favorite local gas station and sat next to a guy chatting with a couple next to him. Even though I'm in a red state, it is still refreshing to hear other people completely not believe any of the bullshit about corona and talking about how they're fucking over it. Dude is focusing on building out a car and staying sane, and shared an anecdote about his ex-wife's mother who was perfectly healthy at 62 and died 2 days after a vaccine. How serendipitous that after Anatomy went off on his speil about how VAERS data is useless, manipulated, and any conspiracy nuts that dare mention its name are clearly crazy, to hear random ppl in a gas station deli of all places also mention VAERS data and to hear the story behind one of those statistics. Doesn't prove shit, but thought I'd share since I'm mostly here to vent and not let a crazy world convince me that my sanity is wrong somehow.

/vent

Nice weather today, heading out for a walk. Enjoy your Sunday kiwis.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

You are projecting again, I know you got who upset when I call that out before and I mean why else did you reply to my anti knowingly spreading diseases post in the way you did, if it didn't hit too close to home for you. But get some help your bug chasing fetish isn't normal and giving your diseases to unaware people is a crime, so stop doing that.

You went from knowingly spreading disease to poz loads. You're a coomer and it's funny to mock you.

I didn't think knowingly spreading diseases would be something so many here would be for.

"The sane position is that anyone with a cold has to be welded into their house or they are criminals."
-You, an intellectual

 

[Vince McMahon]

Hey now, didn't Drain Todger actually metamorphose into a productive member of the forums with actually interesting and readable posts?

He still longposts like a bitch.

 

[Autopsy]

VAERS data is useless, manipulated, and any conspiracy nuts that dare mention its name are clearly crazy, to hear random ppl in a gas station deli of all places also mention VAERS data and to hear the story behind one of those statistics. Doesn't prove shit, but thought I'd share since I'm mostly here to vent and not let a crazy world convince me that my sanity is wrong somehow.

VAERS data isn't useless, manipulated (mostly, it is susceptible to manipulation), and it should be talked about. My problem is how lazy it's being talked about, particularly by people who want to create fear. You have to click through multiple disclaimers to even get to VAERS data (see attachments) so it can't really be an accident; all eyes are on VAERS and overwhelmingly health researchers, regulators, and doctors CURRENTLY think the vaccines not already on pause are fine and the data is not unusual, even if that could change at any time.
Why does random essential oil website #99 see a problem right now and not them? Is the essential oil website run by Einstein, or are all those healthcare professionals EVIL and BAD? I wanna know.
e: The last batch of data in the Wonder search is from April 16th, by the way, it's been well over a week and no one's sounded alarm bells.

 

[Product Placement]

You went from knowingly spreading disease to poz loads. You're a coomer and it's funny to mock you.


"The sane position is that anyone with a cold has to be welded into their house or they are criminals."
-You, an intellectual

So you are trying to mock me, by getting aids and other diseases to try and spread them to "own me", em you really aren't the brightest are you, Yeah I do think those that knowingly spread aids and covid should be locked up, that does seem pretty sane to me. thankfully most counties have laws about knowingly spreading diseases which you will be are against.

some good reading for you, maybe it will help you get over your fetish

Public health 2: Criminal liability for spreading disease - PubMed

Last month's article considered the role of the law in preventing the spread of infectious disease in cases such as tuberculosis and SARS where isolation, quarantine and treatment are effective in controlling the outbreak. Other forms of infectious disease that district nurses encounter--such as...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Is It a Crime to Intentionally Get Someone Sick?

A person’s intentional or reckless behavior that spreads an infectious disease such as COVID-19 can face criminal charges.

www.nolo.com

 

[Return of the Freaker]

So you are trying to mock me, by getting aids and other diseases to try and spread them to "own me", em you really aren't the brightest are you, Yeah I do think those that knowingly spread aids and covid should be locked up, that does seem pretty sane to me. thankfully most counties have laws about knowingly spreading diseases which you will be are against.

some good reading for you, maybe it will help you get over your fetish

Public health 2: Criminal liability for spreading disease - PubMed

Last month's article considered the role of the law in preventing the spread of infectious disease in cases such as tuberculosis and SARS where isolation, quarantine and treatment are effective in controlling the outbreak. Other forms of infectious disease that district nurses encounter--such as...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Is It a Crime to Intentionally Get Someone Sick?

A person’s intentional or reckless behavior that spreads an infectious disease such as COVID-19 can face criminal charges.

www.nolo.com

Lol California says it's OK to be Poz. Go and spread your strains, brah! Get with the times you loadphobic bigot!