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Did you have any contact with the partner? Have they even disclosed anything about what how or why they think it happened? Or were they completely blindsided too? That's gotta be traumatic.
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I didn’t like or get along with that person when they were together, so I have made no attempt contacting them. As I understand it though they didn’t see it coming either and tried to go along with it for a while.
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A fools errand.
God knows i wouldn't be able to deal with the constant walking on eggshells.
Nothing is good enough for those people, they act like everyone is supposed to just play with their delusions and god forbid you try but slip up because it isn't normal.
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Yah, everyone knows that now of course. This was early into the recent trans craze though so it was new for all involved.
Most of my family has minimal contact at this point, it’s not worth the hassle and this person has successfully alienated a lot of people anyway. They lost most of their friend group as well.
You’re right of course, nothing except complete acceptance and buy in to the whole idea is good enough and often that doesn’t go far enough either. I wonder if they realize what everyone else really thinks, probably not though.
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found out a relative trooned out in the time I've been far far away from home for years. I know it's not because they're different or anything, but because their S.O is tumblr cultist who likely groomed them into trooning out. I have a couple relatives who agree, but we know intervening is not possible for the time being, and it hurts. Their S.O was never a good person, but seeing them groom my relative into transitioning confirmed it.
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No one too close to me has trooned out, thankfully, but I get sad whenever I see the social media updates of one woman I went to university with. We were never super close but we were in the same tiny department where we had a nice little friend group going on. We were also the only two lesbians and she was actually really proud and happy to be a lesbian - not in an in-your-face kind of way, you could just tell she was happy and comfortable with herself. She wasn't even all that butch, more of a tomboy and even then on the feminine side.
Well, I graduated and we quickly lost touch but a few years later she changes her name and comes out on Facebook as trans. A mere few months after that and she had a double mastectomy. She's been on T for several years now and honestly I am surprised at how little effect it has had. She still looks very much like a woman in her body and face except that here face has become much rounder, somehow. Maybe it's a low dose or something, because you usually see much greater effects in women.
Anyway, she got married to a woman and seems happy and I do hope that she is, but dude - you could have lived a perfectly happy lesbian life without fucking up your endocrine and reproductive system to not even convincingly pass in the end. It's a shame.
Well, I graduated and we quickly lost touch but a few years later she changes her name and comes out on Facebook as trans. A mere few months after that and she had a double mastectomy. She's been on T for several years now and honestly I am surprised at how little effect it has had. She still looks very much like a woman in her body and face except that here face has become much rounder, somehow. Maybe it's a low dose or something, because you usually see much greater effects in women.
Anyway, she got married to a woman and seems happy and I do hope that she is, but dude - you could have lived a perfectly happy lesbian life without fucking up your endocrine and reproductive system to not even convincingly pass in the end. It's a shame.
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I think gays and lesbians need to be more wary than most or as much as parents with kids who are really impressionable and have access to the internet. The LGs are already dipping their foot in the lefty sceptic tank, one day they'll run into a troon who will proceed to tell them they're actually a troon themselves and if they show a sign of disgust or disagreement they can more than likely say goodbye to their spot in the lefty circle unless they bend the knee and essentially forced to become one.
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I have changed my tactic and I think i have some important ideas on how to help talk potential victims down.
Avoid talking about AGP narcissism. Its too complicated and you have to explain too much. Anything that can immediately be labelled as transphobia and TERFdom.
Instead talk about the abuse of classes they already believe need to be protected: trans people, people with neurodiverse conditions, and people with mental health problems. And talk about the last class most reasonable people will agree need to be protected because they CANNOT protect themselves: children.
I'm starting discussions about children and lies with my friend and that is making inroads--how dangerous puberty blockers are to bone density, brain development, teenage menopause etc, and how many lies there are about being able to pick up where you left off. This is what the Kiera Bell lawsuit was all about. I don't know if Kiera herself would approve of it being used in quite this way but all I am doing is asking questions.
Also in the middle of compiling some reputable medical research atm. The problem with this misinformation being so widely spread is that you have to prove it IS misinformation first.
I want my friend to wonder why are all these reputable hospitals and organisations so insistently concealing the medical truth about what puberty blockers do to a healthy body. Even if puberty blockers are the right choice, WHY are they blocking vulnerable trans kids and parents of trans kids from making informed medical choices and simply advocating it wholeheartedly? Why not say "your questioning trans son will be happier for now while he has more time to make up his mind, but he will lose bone density and brain development issues... and if he decides he isn't trans after all there is a risk of teenage menopause preventing him from having a full healthy life as a young woman. it is a really good idea to go through some intense therapy first to make sure this is the absolute best option."
I want her to ask why are we advocating treating essentially severe body dysmorphia with surgery instead of therapy? If I am convinced i can't be happy in society without HHH boobs and a 2inch waist, I would be sent to serious therapy and DENIED surgery. So why are we doing things backwards here.
If trans mental health is so important, why is research into mental health outcomes in post-op patients being refused funding.
I'm not planning on giving her answers to these questions. I'm not fully sure, myself. But I just want her to see that the motives here are not pure as the driven snow, and directly contrary to the Something else is going on, we don't know what it is but there is something going on that throws all the positivity of the trans movement into question.
Even if she never changes her mind fully, even if she never acknowledges AGP men are a huge threat to women's rights, or the abuses of autistic people being convinced they're trans, or Big Pharma's massive investment in having initially healthy patients for life... I don't need that. I just need her to doubt enough not to drink the kool aid.
As much as it is human nature to want our loved one's to think exactly like us, i believe the key to success here is that we don't need people to convert to our side. We just need them to be resistant to converting to the no-questions-asked, pro-trans agenda. We don't need them to be anti-trans activists. We just need them to be the quiet majority who believe the rabid trans activists are crazy.
We need to give them the information, show them the facts, show them the scale on which truth is being suppressed, then step back and let them ask themselves these hard questions. Don't push it. It's human nature to resist when being pushed.
The added bonus is that because the facts speak for themselves, we don't have to do the hard arguing. We just have to make sure these facts are available.
I'd like to discuss how if we start arguing that kids can consent to changes to their genitals, it's only a short step to arguing kids can consent to sex. But I hate using the thin edge of the Wedge argument when something else will do, it sounds paranoid even when it's demonstrably true that pedo advocates are trying to advance this.
All I need to do is show her where truth is being suppressed and then let her do the rest. She doesn't have to believe every bad thing about trans movements ever for me to have saved her from it.
Avoid talking about AGP narcissism. Its too complicated and you have to explain too much. Anything that can immediately be labelled as transphobia and TERFdom.
Instead talk about the abuse of classes they already believe need to be protected: trans people, people with neurodiverse conditions, and people with mental health problems. And talk about the last class most reasonable people will agree need to be protected because they CANNOT protect themselves: children.
I'm starting discussions about children and lies with my friend and that is making inroads--how dangerous puberty blockers are to bone density, brain development, teenage menopause etc, and how many lies there are about being able to pick up where you left off. This is what the Kiera Bell lawsuit was all about. I don't know if Kiera herself would approve of it being used in quite this way but all I am doing is asking questions.
Also in the middle of compiling some reputable medical research atm. The problem with this misinformation being so widely spread is that you have to prove it IS misinformation first.
I want my friend to wonder why are all these reputable hospitals and organisations so insistently concealing the medical truth about what puberty blockers do to a healthy body. Even if puberty blockers are the right choice, WHY are they blocking vulnerable trans kids and parents of trans kids from making informed medical choices and simply advocating it wholeheartedly? Why not say "your questioning trans son will be happier for now while he has more time to make up his mind, but he will lose bone density and brain development issues... and if he decides he isn't trans after all there is a risk of teenage menopause preventing him from having a full healthy life as a young woman. it is a really good idea to go through some intense therapy first to make sure this is the absolute best option."
I want her to ask why are we advocating treating essentially severe body dysmorphia with surgery instead of therapy? If I am convinced i can't be happy in society without HHH boobs and a 2inch waist, I would be sent to serious therapy and DENIED surgery. So why are we doing things backwards here.
If trans mental health is so important, why is research into mental health outcomes in post-op patients being refused funding.
I'm not planning on giving her answers to these questions. I'm not fully sure, myself. But I just want her to see that the motives here are not pure as the driven snow, and directly contrary to the Something else is going on, we don't know what it is but there is something going on that throws all the positivity of the trans movement into question.
Even if she never changes her mind fully, even if she never acknowledges AGP men are a huge threat to women's rights, or the abuses of autistic people being convinced they're trans, or Big Pharma's massive investment in having initially healthy patients for life... I don't need that. I just need her to doubt enough not to drink the kool aid.
As much as it is human nature to want our loved one's to think exactly like us, i believe the key to success here is that we don't need people to convert to our side. We just need them to be resistant to converting to the no-questions-asked, pro-trans agenda. We don't need them to be anti-trans activists. We just need them to be the quiet majority who believe the rabid trans activists are crazy.
We need to give them the information, show them the facts, show them the scale on which truth is being suppressed, then step back and let them ask themselves these hard questions. Don't push it. It's human nature to resist when being pushed.
The added bonus is that because the facts speak for themselves, we don't have to do the hard arguing. We just have to make sure these facts are available.
I'd like to discuss how if we start arguing that kids can consent to changes to their genitals, it's only a short step to arguing kids can consent to sex. But I hate using the thin edge of the Wedge argument when something else will do, it sounds paranoid even when it's demonstrably true that pedo advocates are trying to advance this.
All I need to do is show her where truth is being suppressed and then let her do the rest. She doesn't have to believe every bad thing about trans movements ever for me to have saved her from it.
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I knew several people back in high school who transitioned.-- only one was my friend though. I'll try to keep it pretty vague. We were close friends in high school. She was pretty unstable and had an abusive home life. I remember she'd constantly go through different phases to try to find her identity. We ended up losing touch, but then I saw her again, and was shocked by her appearance. She went on T, which completely changed her voice and gave her facial hair. The trans thing became her entire identity, and she wasn't the same person anymore.
Looking back, she wasn't the greatest friend, but I understand that she had a messed up life. I still worry about her from time to time.
Looking back, she wasn't the greatest friend, but I understand that she had a messed up life. I still worry about her from time to time.
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The “NB” I know stormed out of the room in a huff when I tried to call him out on his bullshit - he was explaining his identity to my friends who are out of the loop when it comes to this madness, didn’t catch all of the conversation but he mentioned something about how he doesn’t conform to gender stereotypes and also he’s autistic and has a slew of other mental disorders that make it hard for him to deal. I feel for ya with the mental disorders, bud, that sucks and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, but tons of people don’t follow stereotypes, but neither do they identify as non binary, and now the otherwise clueless people in my circles are getting brainwashed by a greasy soy boy who thinks wearing eyeshadow and jewellery makes him a “she/they, queer gremlin disaster”.
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Why are they always so infuriatingly fucking twee?
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I left home when I was 19 and didn't keep in touch with my little brother all that much, I saw him maybe once a year from then on. We were never especially close anyway.
He failed his GCSEs a year later, then went into further education to try again lasting few months before quitting. Our mother was too inept to do anything, he would stay up all night playing on his PC, then refuse to go to school in the mornings. You'd think she would have realised that screaming hysterically at him was a losing tactic after it didn't work the first dozen times, but no.
After that he was diagnosed with autism and depression and moved into council housing. As far as I know, he spends all day playing MMOs. He also became a brony, which is just... ugh.
This year I noticed he'd changed his name on Facebook to one of the pony's names. I questioned it with both my parents, and he now "wants to identify as a girl". Neither seem to know what to make of it, and nor do I really.
He has very little online presence that I can find. I don't know if he's matured over the years, or fallen down the troon rabbit hole.
I've not asked him about it either way. Don't feel like kicking that hornet's nest. But if I knew now what I did when I was 19, I would have been a better older brother to him.
He failed his GCSEs a year later, then went into further education to try again lasting few months before quitting. Our mother was too inept to do anything, he would stay up all night playing on his PC, then refuse to go to school in the mornings. You'd think she would have realised that screaming hysterically at him was a losing tactic after it didn't work the first dozen times, but no.
After that he was diagnosed with autism and depression and moved into council housing. As far as I know, he spends all day playing MMOs. He also became a brony, which is just... ugh.
This year I noticed he'd changed his name on Facebook to one of the pony's names. I questioned it with both my parents, and he now "wants to identify as a girl". Neither seem to know what to make of it, and nor do I really.
He has very little online presence that I can find. I don't know if he's matured over the years, or fallen down the troon rabbit hole.
I've not asked him about it either way. Don't feel like kicking that hornet's nest. But if I knew now what I did when I was 19, I would have been a better older brother to him.
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Here's a story about a close childhood friend who has thankfully moved past this period of his life and is doing much better these days. I hung out with him a lot as a kid because we had similar taste in music and video games and we'd stay up all night talking about our favorite DnB bands. Nice dude but he has a lot of problems at home, his dad was a Jehovahs witness and when we were 13 his parents got a divorce. After this he moved across the country and we didn't talk as often but he kept in better contact with a lot of our other mutual friends.
Around 2 years later I saw some people trash talking his new (and first) girlfriend in a group chat and later learned he had recently started identifying as female and using a different name, his friends were concerned but cautiously supportive but it didn't matter because he cut contact with almost all of us soon after. Maybe 3 years later they broke up and he started making some seriously concerning posts on Facebook, we hadn't spoken in years at this point but I was worried he was going to off himself so I messaged him asking if he wanted to chat but he never responded. I was dealing with my own shit at the time so all I could do was put it out of my mind and hope for the best.
An entire year later he got back to me and told everything, We would talk a lot about his issues at home when we were younger and he fully admitted transgenderism was a form of escapism for him where he felt he could leave his old fucked up life behind and start over again. He was also struggling with his sexuality and feeling an attraction towards men and this was a way for him to avoid confronting that aspect of himself. I'd say this is the conversation that "peak transed" me because beforehand I didn't know that people would use trooning out as a "fix" for other issues in their life and had assumed everyone who did it was True and Honest.
He told me he had been identifying as male again for the last 6 months and asked if I would help with telling our other friends about it. Still not sure why he went to me about this but I'd guess its because we weren't as close so he felt less embarrassed about it. The other guys were more than happy to talk with him again and the initial awkwardness was gone pretty quickly. One other thing of note was that in private I saw a lot of these friends talking about how trooning out was something his girlfriend at the time pressured him into or at least encouraged but he never spoke about that to me, I wouldn't doubt it because she seemed to be a pretty unhinged individual and he was living with her and her parents throughout the entirety of this trans phase.
I'm glad my friend got out of it, so many other aren't as lucky. This whole thing is just a vague memory at the back of my mind now but seeing some stuff in the Tranny Sideshow thread today made me remember it. There is no easy way to deal with friends or loved ones who get trapped by this but please don't cut them off, if you do you will lose them forever in one way or another.
Around 2 years later I saw some people trash talking his new (and first) girlfriend in a group chat and later learned he had recently started identifying as female and using a different name, his friends were concerned but cautiously supportive but it didn't matter because he cut contact with almost all of us soon after. Maybe 3 years later they broke up and he started making some seriously concerning posts on Facebook, we hadn't spoken in years at this point but I was worried he was going to off himself so I messaged him asking if he wanted to chat but he never responded. I was dealing with my own shit at the time so all I could do was put it out of my mind and hope for the best.
An entire year later he got back to me and told everything, We would talk a lot about his issues at home when we were younger and he fully admitted transgenderism was a form of escapism for him where he felt he could leave his old fucked up life behind and start over again. He was also struggling with his sexuality and feeling an attraction towards men and this was a way for him to avoid confronting that aspect of himself. I'd say this is the conversation that "peak transed" me because beforehand I didn't know that people would use trooning out as a "fix" for other issues in their life and had assumed everyone who did it was True and Honest.
He told me he had been identifying as male again for the last 6 months and asked if I would help with telling our other friends about it. Still not sure why he went to me about this but I'd guess its because we weren't as close so he felt less embarrassed about it. The other guys were more than happy to talk with him again and the initial awkwardness was gone pretty quickly. One other thing of note was that in private I saw a lot of these friends talking about how trooning out was something his girlfriend at the time pressured him into or at least encouraged but he never spoke about that to me, I wouldn't doubt it because she seemed to be a pretty unhinged individual and he was living with her and her parents throughout the entirety of this trans phase.
I'm glad my friend got out of it, so many other aren't as lucky. This whole thing is just a vague memory at the back of my mind now but seeing some stuff in the Tranny Sideshow thread today made me remember it. There is no easy way to deal with friends or loved ones who get trapped by this but please don't cut them off, if you do you will lose them forever in one way or another.
Kornula
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I stopped walking on eggshells 30 years ago. I stopped gtiving a complete fuck as to how people reacted to my ideas. If they like them, I keep engaging in a conversation. If they start screaming and yelling at me.. I walk away at that point. They obviously don't want to hear any opposing view point.
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Not someone I was super close to, but when I was around 14, there was this girl who lived about an hour away from me, and we would meet up to go to anime conventions. Reasonably cute, she had a bit of a moon face, but she had nice red hair and was in good shape. The redhead's parents were going through a somewhat contentious divorce during the years we hung out most frequently, and she was sexually active younger than any of the other "nerd" girls I knew. She was straight, but experimented with one of her female friends at one point; this friend was an actual lesbian as far as I could tell, and I think the relationship didn't work out because she wasn't happy with being a straight girl's "experiment." Coincidentally, I ran into that ex again years later because we went to the same college, and we became acquainted. By that point, Redhead had already trooned out and the two of them cut contact.
Redhead was a hardcore Tumblrina before and after trooning. At around 16, she was big into the fictionkin/neopronouns stuff, and was a big-time fujoshi. She unironically had "fae" pronouns for a while. Then she decided she was agender and started going by Ren or something like that. That lasted for about a year, and around the time she entered college she changed her name to Oliver. She moved to Canada for college and majored in some type of visual art. She got a mastectomy at some point around that time, and has a little bit of sad Aiden chin stubble going on. I haven't talked to her in years, but from her Twitter it looks like she still cosplays female characters almost exclusively, and I think she's married to another FTM now.
A lot of the cosplayers in that little clique trooned out, but "Oliver" was the only one I was truly friends with. I was very loosely acquainted with another one, "Matt" (we were mutuals on social media and would run into each other at cons as well.) She "passes" better than Redhead does, but not by much. It's been a long time since I've seen her in person, but she was a petite little latina girl with curly hair. Like Redhead, she was and continues to be a big fujoshi, and has been singularly obsessed with the same obscure fictional couple for like eight years. Her facial her looks... less disgusting than it does on most FTMs, but still kind of dumpy. I honestly thought she was trans the first time I met her because she had short hair and only cosplayed male characters, but she went by "she/they" for a few years before trooning out. I should note as well that neither of these FTMs were ugly as girls; just a little plain because they never wore makeup.
The female equivalent to the "incel to troon" pipeline would definitely be "fujoshi to Aiden." Fujoshis are often shy, homely, straight women who for whatever reason are intimidated by a perceived power imbalance in heterosexual relationships. Just like incels, they think life as the opposite sex is "easy mode," and want to be soft uwu gay bois. Throw in the SJW retardation that was inescapable on Tumblr and Twitter at the time, and you've got a recipe for Aidens.
Two of my brother's friends are MTFs, but that's a story for another post.
Redhead was a hardcore Tumblrina before and after trooning. At around 16, she was big into the fictionkin/neopronouns stuff, and was a big-time fujoshi. She unironically had "fae" pronouns for a while. Then she decided she was agender and started going by Ren or something like that. That lasted for about a year, and around the time she entered college she changed her name to Oliver. She moved to Canada for college and majored in some type of visual art. She got a mastectomy at some point around that time, and has a little bit of sad Aiden chin stubble going on. I haven't talked to her in years, but from her Twitter it looks like she still cosplays female characters almost exclusively, and I think she's married to another FTM now.
A lot of the cosplayers in that little clique trooned out, but "Oliver" was the only one I was truly friends with. I was very loosely acquainted with another one, "Matt" (we were mutuals on social media and would run into each other at cons as well.) She "passes" better than Redhead does, but not by much. It's been a long time since I've seen her in person, but she was a petite little latina girl with curly hair. Like Redhead, she was and continues to be a big fujoshi, and has been singularly obsessed with the same obscure fictional couple for like eight years. Her facial her looks... less disgusting than it does on most FTMs, but still kind of dumpy. I honestly thought she was trans the first time I met her because she had short hair and only cosplayed male characters, but she went by "she/they" for a few years before trooning out. I should note as well that neither of these FTMs were ugly as girls; just a little plain because they never wore makeup.
The female equivalent to the "incel to troon" pipeline would definitely be "fujoshi to Aiden." Fujoshis are often shy, homely, straight women who for whatever reason are intimidated by a perceived power imbalance in heterosexual relationships. Just like incels, they think life as the opposite sex is "easy mode," and want to be soft uwu gay bois. Throw in the SJW retardation that was inescapable on Tumblr and Twitter at the time, and you've got a recipe for Aidens.
Two of my brother's friends are MTFs, but that's a story for another post.
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Man, I saved up a bunch of quotes, inserted them in a post and promptly crashed it. Bollocks.
Can’t be arsed to go find them again, soz.
Re: estrogen making men more volatile/prone to anger and that feeling counterintuitive... I’ve been posting on another thread about dogs and how their behaviour is both nature and nurture combined (aggression is not purely a matter of how they are raised, it can be in their breeding of a result of being in pain, for example). I’m a firm believer in reminding ourselves that we are just mammals, big brained, complicated mammals, for sure, but still mammals. Reading this thread and the dog thread in tandem today and, well, incoming spergery ...
In dogs (especially male dogs) there is this pervasive idea that castration will fix a lot of behaviour issues, and it can work, but it’s dependent on what is the root of those behavioural issues.
What is rarely talked about is that in some dogs, perhaps in lots of dogs, castration can actually cause aggression, this kind of aggression is usually described as fear based aggression.
Extract from https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/new-research-does-neutering-help-with-aggression/
Some of the negative behaviors found in neutered male dogs in the study included:
Why does this happen? Well, it’s broadly accepted that it’s caused by the reduction in circulating testosterone (which is what MtF troons induce in themselves, either with blockers (GnRHa drugs) anti androgens, or via abnormally high levels of oestrogen (via E mono therapy)
Quote from here: https://www.theveterinarynurse.com/...hs-commonly-associated-with-neutering-in-dogs
(my bold)
I don’t think it’s a big leap to assume that those MtF troons who already have low self confidence and/or social anxiety and choose to artificially suppress their testosterone via chemical or surgical castration will experience a similar rise in fear based aggression.
Male sex offenders have been treated with pretty much all the same drugs that are currently used in MtF transition, their use is pretty controversial because even when successful at killing off the libido, they either do nothing about the aggression or make it worse. This is why a male offender shouldn’t be able to use a cock chop as an entry ticket to a female prison, he’ll still be an aggressive sex offender, he’ll just be a) even angrier and b) more inventive in his pervery, now that he can‘t be a standard rapist (wannabe rapists with erectile dysfunction often resort to using objects for penetration, as any true crime fan knows).
I’ve posted a little of my personal battle against troonery in the bad SRS/ gender quacks thread but a quick recap is
Can’t be arsed to go find them again, soz.
Re: estrogen making men more volatile/prone to anger and that feeling counterintuitive... I’ve been posting on another thread about dogs and how their behaviour is both nature and nurture combined (aggression is not purely a matter of how they are raised, it can be in their breeding of a result of being in pain, for example). I’m a firm believer in reminding ourselves that we are just mammals, big brained, complicated mammals, for sure, but still mammals. Reading this thread and the dog thread in tandem today and, well, incoming spergery ...
In dogs (especially male dogs) there is this pervasive idea that castration will fix a lot of behaviour issues, and it can work, but it’s dependent on what is the root of those behavioural issues.
What is rarely talked about is that in some dogs, perhaps in lots of dogs, castration can actually cause aggression, this kind of aggression is usually described as fear based aggression.
Extract from https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/new-research-does-neutering-help-with-aggression/
Some of the negative behaviors found in neutered male dogs in the study included:
- Rather than reduced aggression, the neutered male dogs in the study were found more likely to show aggression when strangers such as delivery workers were near the home, when the dog was approached by an unknown female dog and when small animals entered the yard.
- The study also found that the behaviors were worse in dogs that were neutered earlier.
- The neutered dogs also demonstrated more fear-based behaviors like reactions to loud noises and new situations.
- Intact dogs were less likely to eat feces – either their own or another dog’s. They were also less likely to roll in feces or other smelly things.
- Intact dogs were also less likely to bark persistently when they became alarmed.
- Intact dogs were less likely to mount objects, furniture or people.
- Intact dogs were also less likely to chase animals.
Why does this happen? Well, it’s broadly accepted that it’s caused by the reduction in circulating testosterone (which is what MtF troons induce in themselves, either with blockers (GnRHa drugs) anti androgens, or via abnormally high levels of oestrogen (via E mono therapy)
Quote from here: https://www.theveterinarynurse.com/...hs-commonly-associated-with-neutering-in-dogs
(my bold)
Increasing fearfulness
Circulating testosterone is associated with increased self confidence and reduced fearfulness (Terburg and van Honk, 2013) so castration can potentially increase fearfulness, especially in dogs that are already nervous.I don’t think it’s a big leap to assume that those MtF troons who already have low self confidence and/or social anxiety and choose to artificially suppress their testosterone via chemical or surgical castration will experience a similar rise in fear based aggression.
Male sex offenders have been treated with pretty much all the same drugs that are currently used in MtF transition, their use is pretty controversial because even when successful at killing off the libido, they either do nothing about the aggression or make it worse. This is why a male offender shouldn’t be able to use a cock chop as an entry ticket to a female prison, he’ll still be an aggressive sex offender, he’ll just be a) even angrier and b) more inventive in his pervery, now that he can‘t be a standard rapist (wannabe rapists with erectile dysfunction often resort to using objects for penetration, as any true crime fan knows).
I’ve posted a little of my personal battle against troonery in the bad SRS/ gender quacks thread but a quick recap is
I’ve always been around MtF troons and didn’t really care about them much beyond finding them a bit vacuous (the HSTS types) and a bit repulsive (the AGP types), it was always obviously a sexually motivated thing (for the HSTS it’s a sexual survival strategy, they love masculine, straight-seeming men and the combo of being at the bottom of the gay hierarchy and fancying the types of men at the top make troonery an almost logical game plan, eg ladyboys and their western equivalent, Blaire White types) and the AGPs were just knicker-wanking crossdressers, chasing their own fetish dragon until throwing their lives away over it as a midlife crisis. The handful of FtMs I’ve known were the megabutch lesbian equivalents of the HSTS types, always mistaken for men anyway so kind of easier just to roll with it and find yourself a femmelesbian, settle down and play out a public pseudoheterosexual lifestyle reverting to lesbianism in the bedroom - this all chimes with the pre Blanchard theory about transsexualism - that it’s a inverse form of sexual orientation (which is why the original naming had the ‘sexual’ suffix, not because you are changing sex, but because you are either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or transsexual, transsexuals having the sexual orientation/behaviour/motivations more typical of the opposite sex)
This was, of course, the olden times, when all the in-group language was different. MtFs divided themselves into TS/TV (TS are the ones that were originally called ‘true scum’ but like ‘terf’ that’s lost all meaning due to over use) and ‘cis’ wasn’t a thing (instead it was TG - Trans Girls and GG - Genetic Girls or RG - Real Girls). I don’t really know why but I’ve always ended up in social groups with perverts and degenerates, despite being pretty ‘vanilla’. I guess I give off vibes that get me erroneously invited to perverts dinner parties or something? I’ve never really cared what people do in their own homes/private sex clubs as long as it’s truly consensual (although the older I get the more I understand that what looks and feels like ‘consent’ might really be grooming or maladaptive responses to past trauma or whatever). Still, I’ve always been quite nonplussed and unshockable and not really bothered by other people’s weird shit, you do you, boo, just clean up properly after.
It was knowing the sexual motivations behind troonery and generally accepting them that made me go ‘hold the fuck on a minute’ when legions of tween and teen girls suddenly started ‘coming out’ and puff pieces about ‘trans kids’ started appearing on mainstream and prime time.
It just didn’t make any sense to me, and seemed obvious that whatever it was they were experiencing it wasn’t the same as the old TS/TV/ButchlesbianFtM phenomenon. I’d already begun falling through the Mumsnet terve radicalisation portal when ROGD arrived in our immediate social circle via a 13 year old nerdy girl (possibly undiagnosed high functioning autist) but it’s my worries and desire to protect her that has turned me into a walking, talking, tranny encyclopaedia. She’s not my kid, so I have to try and help her mum whilst appearing neutral enough not to alienate her. It’s pretty hard on her whole family and it’s breaking her parents hearts, who just want her to be healthy and happy. The influence is coming from online, but also from peers and from dickhead adults in school and in LGBT orgs. ‘Coming out’ has made her totally fucking miserable, she’s about as happy as Ellen/Elliot Page looks in photos. Thankfully her parents are holding the line against any sort of physical intervention and won’t play the pronoun powergame either, however it’s clearly not good for a kid ‘s psychological health to be living a split identity with teachers (!) calling them one name and affirming their cross sex delusions and parents doing the opposite. Luckily this is taking place on Terf Island so there is less fear about resisting this than there would be in say, Canada.
This place has really helped me understand the modern day INCEL/autist variation on the old AGPs (they come out A LOT earlier these days, which is probably good in terms of minimising the numbers of future transwidows and mentally scarred children of transitioners but also probably pretty awful in terms post transition happiness/physical health. I really worry about the adolescent boys who are being groomed into really early surgical intervention by middle aged and older AGPs who have thoroughly enjoyed their own dick and balls for decades) and the whatever the fuck it is that’s happening to girls - I suspect the Aidens are as different to the Gaydens as the old TS were different to the TVs. There is definitely some cross over between FTM and MTF motivations and behaviours and some common traits between the older trannies and the current ones, but the internet/pro troon media propaganda/online avatars/role play games/cross sex cosplay has caused some weird warps and sped the whole thing up.
I do think it will implode (there is too much conflict between new nonbinary propaganda and classic troonism propaganda and the inevitable purity spiral will damage all of it) but in the meantime, I want to prevent as many kids as possible from fucking their future health up, and one of the most effective ways to put them off is to just point at the absolute worst horrors from the older, uglier tranny population and let them reach their own conclusions.
No point in arguing on Twitter, documenting, disseminating and engaging with actual legal mechanisms (government consultations, contacting representatives, engaging in or fundraising for ‘lawfare’ etc) is much more effective.
This was, of course, the olden times, when all the in-group language was different. MtFs divided themselves into TS/TV (TS are the ones that were originally called ‘true scum’ but like ‘terf’ that’s lost all meaning due to over use) and ‘cis’ wasn’t a thing (instead it was TG - Trans Girls and GG - Genetic Girls or RG - Real Girls). I don’t really know why but I’ve always ended up in social groups with perverts and degenerates, despite being pretty ‘vanilla’. I guess I give off vibes that get me erroneously invited to perverts dinner parties or something? I’ve never really cared what people do in their own homes/private sex clubs as long as it’s truly consensual (although the older I get the more I understand that what looks and feels like ‘consent’ might really be grooming or maladaptive responses to past trauma or whatever). Still, I’ve always been quite nonplussed and unshockable and not really bothered by other people’s weird shit, you do you, boo, just clean up properly after.
It was knowing the sexual motivations behind troonery and generally accepting them that made me go ‘hold the fuck on a minute’ when legions of tween and teen girls suddenly started ‘coming out’ and puff pieces about ‘trans kids’ started appearing on mainstream and prime time.
It just didn’t make any sense to me, and seemed obvious that whatever it was they were experiencing it wasn’t the same as the old TS/TV/ButchlesbianFtM phenomenon. I’d already begun falling through the Mumsnet terve radicalisation portal when ROGD arrived in our immediate social circle via a 13 year old nerdy girl (possibly undiagnosed high functioning autist) but it’s my worries and desire to protect her that has turned me into a walking, talking, tranny encyclopaedia. She’s not my kid, so I have to try and help her mum whilst appearing neutral enough not to alienate her. It’s pretty hard on her whole family and it’s breaking her parents hearts, who just want her to be healthy and happy. The influence is coming from online, but also from peers and from dickhead adults in school and in LGBT orgs. ‘Coming out’ has made her totally fucking miserable, she’s about as happy as Ellen/Elliot Page looks in photos. Thankfully her parents are holding the line against any sort of physical intervention and won’t play the pronoun powergame either, however it’s clearly not good for a kid ‘s psychological health to be living a split identity with teachers (!) calling them one name and affirming their cross sex delusions and parents doing the opposite. Luckily this is taking place on Terf Island so there is less fear about resisting this than there would be in say, Canada.
This place has really helped me understand the modern day INCEL/autist variation on the old AGPs (they come out A LOT earlier these days, which is probably good in terms of minimising the numbers of future transwidows and mentally scarred children of transitioners but also probably pretty awful in terms post transition happiness/physical health. I really worry about the adolescent boys who are being groomed into really early surgical intervention by middle aged and older AGPs who have thoroughly enjoyed their own dick and balls for decades) and the whatever the fuck it is that’s happening to girls - I suspect the Aidens are as different to the Gaydens as the old TS were different to the TVs. There is definitely some cross over between FTM and MTF motivations and behaviours and some common traits between the older trannies and the current ones, but the internet/pro troon media propaganda/online avatars/role play games/cross sex cosplay has caused some weird warps and sped the whole thing up.
I do think it will implode (there is too much conflict between new nonbinary propaganda and classic troonism propaganda and the inevitable purity spiral will damage all of it) but in the meantime, I want to prevent as many kids as possible from fucking their future health up, and one of the most effective ways to put them off is to just point at the absolute worst horrors from the older, uglier tranny population and let them reach their own conclusions.
No point in arguing on Twitter, documenting, disseminating and engaging with actual legal mechanisms (government consultations, contacting representatives, engaging in or fundraising for ‘lawfare’ etc) is much more effective.
Kornula
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About a year ago, I was "discussing" troonism with troons (the non-binary kind) on youtube. I asked one of them to repeat every argument they had just posted with me and replace "non-binary" and "genderfluid" with "Jesus" and "god".
The instant response was sad and hilarious; they said it had nothing to do with "Jesus" or "god" or Christianity whatsoever. They have zero comprehension skills.
The instant response was sad and hilarious; they said it had nothing to do with "Jesus" or "god" or Christianity whatsoever. They have zero comprehension skills.
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I've only known personally two troons. One was an HSTS male, and the other was a FTM.
I knew the HSTS when I was young, and he really, even when I think back, he passed extremely well, his voice sounded like a woman with a husky voice, he was very slender. and was the rare male who did have somewhat of a waist. Even now when I look back on him, though now I can immediately pick up on his masculine features, in my memories of him, there is times where I do think he truly did look female. I also felt really bad for him, because he went to the city school, and a bunch of niggers ganged up on him and beat the shit out of him because in the mid 00s, trannies were extremely rare, so he dropped out of school. At the same time, he was apparently really evil towards his mother, enough to the point that she paid for him to have a studio apartment because they got into a fight and he threatened her with a knife, and she did not feel safe living with him. And he told me that story with pride in voice. Because he got what he wanted, which was his own apartment. Definitely a narcissist.
The other was a coworker. I remember when I first saw her in the break room, I immediately clocked her as female. And I have to say, that was my first shock at seeing a trans person, as I was still supportive of trans people. She absolutely did not pass. She was 4'11", her voice sounded like a prepubescent boy, and she only had a few hairs on her chin. I just felt an immense sadness for her, because she would never pass, and what happened to her to not want to be perceived as a woman? I also constantly worried about her going into the men's bathroom, because of how tiny she is, and like I said, it was quite obvious she was female.
I really sympathize with FTMs and nonbinary women, and just feel immense sadness for them, because I do suffer with gender dysphoria and also have aspergers.. I don't even know if it's even gender dysphoria, it's just so weird to describe, and it's definitely due to traumatic events I've experienced in the past. I don't want to be a man, I know I will never become a man, and I'm totally fine with that. However, I have a huge desire to appear sexless, so that way I won't get any sexual attention. Though I think binders are absolutely horrible, I still sometimes ponder how different I'd look if I had a flat chest under my clothes. Due to all the FTMs posting what they look like after a double mastectomy, I am just horrified, because it's so unnatural and is such an invasive surgery, and is a level of mutilation that I would never go through. I used to cut, but holy shit, I would never want to literally cut off parts of my body. That is literal insanity. And the dysphoria comes and goes. Some days, it doesn't even come up and I dress as normal, but other days, I really wish that people didn't perceive me as female and I was just a humanoid and I try to dress in baggy clothes and slouch, in hopes that I'll be less noticeable, especially by men. And I really hate how sexualized women, teens, and young girls are in today's society. I'm not trying to brag, but I am considered attractive, and I fucking hate all the attention I get from it, especially after some traumatic events. It's totally understandable why women are trying to escape being women.
And I feel for the MTFs who troon out due to experiencing sexual trauma. It really does do a fucking number on you, and even if you think you've gotten over it, it does affect the way you view yourself, other people, and the way you move through the world.
I knew the HSTS when I was young, and he really, even when I think back, he passed extremely well, his voice sounded like a woman with a husky voice, he was very slender. and was the rare male who did have somewhat of a waist. Even now when I look back on him, though now I can immediately pick up on his masculine features, in my memories of him, there is times where I do think he truly did look female. I also felt really bad for him, because he went to the city school, and a bunch of niggers ganged up on him and beat the shit out of him because in the mid 00s, trannies were extremely rare, so he dropped out of school. At the same time, he was apparently really evil towards his mother, enough to the point that she paid for him to have a studio apartment because they got into a fight and he threatened her with a knife, and she did not feel safe living with him. And he told me that story with pride in voice. Because he got what he wanted, which was his own apartment. Definitely a narcissist.
The other was a coworker. I remember when I first saw her in the break room, I immediately clocked her as female. And I have to say, that was my first shock at seeing a trans person, as I was still supportive of trans people. She absolutely did not pass. She was 4'11", her voice sounded like a prepubescent boy, and she only had a few hairs on her chin. I just felt an immense sadness for her, because she would never pass, and what happened to her to not want to be perceived as a woman? I also constantly worried about her going into the men's bathroom, because of how tiny she is, and like I said, it was quite obvious she was female.
I really sympathize with FTMs and nonbinary women, and just feel immense sadness for them, because I do suffer with gender dysphoria and also have aspergers.. I don't even know if it's even gender dysphoria, it's just so weird to describe, and it's definitely due to traumatic events I've experienced in the past. I don't want to be a man, I know I will never become a man, and I'm totally fine with that. However, I have a huge desire to appear sexless, so that way I won't get any sexual attention. Though I think binders are absolutely horrible, I still sometimes ponder how different I'd look if I had a flat chest under my clothes. Due to all the FTMs posting what they look like after a double mastectomy, I am just horrified, because it's so unnatural and is such an invasive surgery, and is a level of mutilation that I would never go through. I used to cut, but holy shit, I would never want to literally cut off parts of my body. That is literal insanity. And the dysphoria comes and goes. Some days, it doesn't even come up and I dress as normal, but other days, I really wish that people didn't perceive me as female and I was just a humanoid and I try to dress in baggy clothes and slouch, in hopes that I'll be less noticeable, especially by men. And I really hate how sexualized women, teens, and young girls are in today's society. I'm not trying to brag, but I am considered attractive, and I fucking hate all the attention I get from it, especially after some traumatic events. It's totally understandable why women are trying to escape being women.
And I feel for the MTFs who troon out due to experiencing sexual trauma. It really does do a fucking number on you, and even if you think you've gotten over it, it does affect the way you view yourself, other people, and the way you move through the world.
benis154262
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Fuck joggers man. I had a gay black kid out me to the entire (very homophobic) school when I was going through my Aiden phase, which led to a lot of harassment. To this day I have no idea why he did it. I never did anything to him. When the teacher made him "apologize" to me he just started talking about how the other kids at my school thought I was "weird and creepy" and how everyone hated me. Got away with a slap on the wrist, of course.
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