Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

Got Pfizer Vaccine 1 yesterday. My sister had been bothering me for a month to get it so I just went "fuck it" and got the next CVS slot for the Pfizerino. AN hour later she and her wife were at my nearest CVS to watch me become one with the 5G network. The nurse is going over vaccine warnings and says "if you feel the need to take a painkiller just use whatever we don't know shit."

Also after that in the refractory period before I was allowed to go we were talking and my sister hasn't gotten her shot yet. Shit is like the 2016 election when she voted for "the Russians hacked it so I couldn't vote." Never interact with left leaning lesbians.

Then they took me out for lunch so we went to a Chinese buffet.

Sorry if this is not the place to bitch about my merging with Helios, but I have a strange tightness in my neck and a roaming headache.
 
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EyelessMC said:
So you can still get others sick despite being [partially] protected from the sickness yourself, meaning in the case of Covid you should either get vaccinated for yourself or don't get vaccinated at all.
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I thought you were trying being logical but this is blatantly untrue. Getting vaccinated will massively decrease transmission to yourself and others. It's not 100%, but close. In OP's position he should absolutely get vaccinated for his and his friends' safety.
 
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AnOminous said:
Fun facts:
  • the 1957-58 flu killed 1 to 4 million, from 0.03-1% of the global population
  • the Hong Kong flu of 1968 is classified as a pandemic, also killed 1 to 4 million, again 0.03-.1% of the global population (we were not as good at counting global deaths back then)
  • HIV/AIDS was classified as a pandemic, killing 35 million, having no statistically significant influence on the global population
  • COVID-19 has killed 3.2 million, representing 0.04% of the global population
There's no magic number. The reason every flu season isn't considered a pandemic is because it doesn't start in one or a few places and then spread like wildfire all over the globe. Most normal flu seasons just consist of flu strains that are endemic at all times and just take off when conditions are most favorable.

Pandemic flus are usually named after where they're first noticed, or their actual origin if it can be determined, like the Hong Kong flu.

The classes are outbreak, when some disease appears in a localized area and doesn't spread. Ebola outbreaks are like this because it incapacitates and kills too quickly for its victims to go anywhere to spread it. It's an epidemic if it spreads throughout a larger region. It's a pandemic if it spreads throughout the globe. The Wuhan virus started with an outbreak, soon turned into an epidemic, and then nearly immediately went global, and that's what a pandemic is.
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Great info and straight to the point. It's undeniably a pandemic and I agreed with you from the start. What's weird is that certain people are basically echoing the argument the WHO and CCP kept giving for why the pandemic shouldn't be considered a pandemic, which is what worsened the global response time and severity. While the virus was spreading globally beurocrats were bickering and having backroom deals about why water totally is not wet and it's all a big to-do over nothing.
Then finally they admitted it, only after mass hysteria had reached peak mass. That's when we had tanks rolling down Italian streets and Operation Warp Speed, as I recall.

It needs to be said that not only has Covid been a pandemic by definition but those of us from the start were watching people collapse in Chinese streets, having their pets thrown from windows, having their doors drilled in with metal beams to keep people inside their apartments, and others were being literally Black Mariah commie vanned away by state police as they were screaming in fear because they were sick and targeted by the government--a government which allowed this to spread during a massive Chinese gathering and holiday period just for clout points among the populace, only to then literally disappear the doctor who spoke out about it to warn people (and a citizen who was speaking against the cover-up taking place). This was all in December-January, just a few months before it hit America in March or so, by then having spread far and wide, to the point where North Korea shut its borders to China as I recall and the Madagascar meme became real.

No matter people's genuine and valid concerns about the Covid vaccines and everything surrounding them both in science and market, no one should forget the rest of the facts about the virus. It's silly to treat this like the Black Death but it's equally asinine to pretend Covid doesn't exist.
The struggle by global organizations and certain governments to pretend Covid was not a big deal is itself proof that Covid is not some psyop, as if that needed to be proven. Literally watched a Chinaman singing like a lunatic as he's dealing with the piling bodies of his fellow men and saw the armed guard internment camps for the sick. To think all of that, which the CCP didn't want getting out, was just some mind-game or false flag is proposterous.

Big business will take advantage of anything for a profit, and government will never let a good crisis go to waste. 9/11 should have taught everyone that. But the horrific government overreach of the Patriot Act or the obviously targeted rolling coverage of terrorism 24/7 does not mean the attack on the Twin Towers was a "false flag". War contractors made bank on what followed, but it doesn't mean 9/11 was a computer generated falsehood.

TL;DR I'm really disappointed that people keep seeing only half of reality while vehemently refusing the other half. Covid was a nightmare when unknown and is a pandemic by definition. Being circumspect of the entire situation and all that's still going on does not preclude accepting such basic facts. Really, it necessitates it.
 
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Vulva Gape said:
I thought you were trying being logical but this is blatantly untrue. Getting vaccinated will massively decrease transmission to yourself and others. It's not 100%, but close. In OP's position he should absolutely get vaccinated for his and his friends' safety.
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I want to habeeb.

But in practice, it sounds like doublethink between "it does stop the spread so do it!" and "it doesn't, so keep wearing those 5 masks!", and I'd say this is what alienates people. People wanted the vaccine to "return to normal" and they get "New Normal™ is here to stay" after being strung along for a year. If they didn't double down on worshipping an useless porous rag like it was a BSL4 suit and had said "the vax makes you less contagious and less vulnerable enough to make not wearing a mask an acceptable risk threshold", or explain why it doesn't just yet (despite the rag being useless nevertheless) instead of glorifying a bugman attitude, people would be more accepting of the vax.
 
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Vulva Gape said:
I thought you were trying being logical but this is blatantly untrue. Getting vaccinated will massively decrease transmission to yourself and others. It's not 100%, but close. In OP's position he should absolutely get vaccinated for his and his friends' safety.
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In three sentences you managed to contradict yourself. It's both untrue but also true? Since, as the article I linked and what I said both conveyed, the vaccine does not stop viral spread to others. It only kinda protects you from getting severe Covid. The vaccine not being 100% doesn't make sense to me either. If I'm getting a vaccine for an illness I want to be fully protected from said illness by that vaccine. I don't wear a bullet proof vest just to lower the amount of bullets I take into my body.
Similarly, I've never had an illness I was immunized against. For example, I only ever got the flu when I forgot to take the flu shot beforehand. That's how vaccines have always worked, they protect against the thing they are designed after--unless you already had the illness and didn't know it.

Vaccines also are not medicine to help recover from the illness you are being immunized for, so I don't get why other people are saying "You have Covid? Get the Covid shot right away!!" either. All of this on a very rudimentary level makes the Covid immunization seem pointless to me anyway, if you can still contract it and get ill from it despite being immunized against it.
"You still get it but you don't get as sick" isn't how a vaccine is supposed to work. You don't get the Ebola vax just a little sick from Ebola. You get it so you don't end up bleeding out of your eyes at all.

More importantly, you didn't respond to my main point [edit: about why]: Getting vaccinated to protect someone else is pointless since that other person can still contract it from anyone and anywhere else.

Plus if on an interpersonal level it only decreases transmission (not talking broad statistics, which makes sense, but a single person still being able to transmit the virus despite being immunized against it) rather than prevents transmission then it's not a very good protection for your homies anyway. The ones at risk would still need to get vaccinated regardless of whether you do or don't. Hence the retarded nature of the "Karen" outcry about "You need to get vaccinated to protect my family!"
No, lady, your family needs to get vaccinated to protect your family.
 
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Vulva Gape said:
I thought you were trying being logical but this is blatantly untrue. Getting vaccinated will massively decrease transmission to yourself and others. It's not 100%, but close. In OP's position he should absolutely get vaccinated for his and his friends' safety.
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This is one of those staggeringly dumb arguments like you shouldn't wear seatbelts because they'll just trap you in the car which might catch on fire, instead of the much better option of being launched face first through the windshield.
 
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NoFeline said:
"You shouldnt be responsible because what if other people are irresponsible"

weird take bro
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These vaccines are non sterlizing. You can still catch and spread covid after having them. Big Pharma says they should reduce the symptoms not prevent infection/stop spread. If you want to be a human gueana pig for non FDA approved expiremental injections fine but don't you dare shame or preasure those that don't want to risk their lives for science.
 
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Dude Weed said:
These vaccines are non sterlizing. You can still catch and spread covid after having them. Big Pharma says they should reduce the symptoms not prevent infection/stop spread. If you want to be a human gueana pig for non FDA approved expiremental injections fine but don't you dare shame or preasure those that don't want to risk their lives for science.
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How does it feel to have a mangina?
 
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AnOminous said:
This is one of those staggeringly dumb arguments like you shouldn't wear seatbelts because they'll just trap you in the car which might catch on fire, instead of the much better option of being launched face first through the windshield.
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Which argument are you saying is that dumb, his or mine?

EDIT: By his rationale of "You should get vaccinated to protect your friends who are at a higher risk" I could make the argument that in order to protect the driver of a vehicle (someone at risk) from suffering the effects of a car crash, the passenger of a vehicle (someone of similar risk) or even an unrelated jogger (someone not at risk) should wear seat belts.
You gotta wear your seat belt if you want to protect someone else who's not wearing their seat belt.
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EyelessMC said:
The vaccine not being 100% doesn't make sense to me either. If I'm getting a vaccine for an illness I want to be fully protected from said illness by that vaccine. I don't wear a bullet proof vest just to lower the amount of bullets I take into my body.
Similarly, I've never had an illness I was immunized against. For example, I only ever got the flu when I forgot to take the flu shot beforehand. That's how vaccines have always worked, they protect against the thing they are designed after--unless you already had the illness and didn't know it.
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Flu shots are only somewhat effective. You can still get the flu after taking it.

No vaccine is 100% effective. What are you talking about?

It's not a binary thing; taking the vaccine massively reduces transmission and it is not infallible and absolute. It's like saying you shouldn't wear a parachute when skydiving because it sometimes fails.
 
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