Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Vecr]

I'm not talking at all about the response (why do you keep bringing it up? I'm not a lockdown supporter), and it does have a property that other coronaviruses don't have, it's spreading through a global population that has never encountered it before. This is somewhat of an imprecise definition, but if a virus is circulating through a population, with a good portion of members having some immunity, and without the characteristics of an epidemic in most times/places, it's endemic, but if it's spreading through a population that's never seen it before, at a high reproductive rate, that's epidemic for sure, and probably pandemic if the originating region can't contain it. If a virus has a basic reproductive rate of over 2, like this one does, with very little population immunity, there's no way it can be endemic. In places like the UK and Israel, with quite a bit of immunity, it's going endemic, but places like India, the disease is endemic epidemic (RIP) for sure.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It was endemic even then. It's literally just another corona strain. New ones happen every year, which is why there is no cure for the common cold. Viruses are perennial.
You are using reactions to the virus as proof ipso facto that those reactions must be justified. That's silly.
Also I'm not evangelical, learn what evangelical means.

No, it's a pandemic by definition:

definition: prevalent over a whole country or the world. If you think that doesn't apply to covid, you're even stupider than I thought

According to the CDC anywhere from 14 to 60 thousand Americans die of the flu every year, and many more are hospitalized.
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And covid killed 10x that many.

 

[Dude Snakes]

Is it fun to be a cowardly faggot?

You are insufferable, you won't win over anyone to your cause by calling people rednecks/idiots. You are such an angry man chill the fuck out!

 

[AnOminous]

Can you imagine them going up to a kang in the street and in a wimpy voice calling them scared of a needle or harassing them at the store. Instead they try to bully some pregnant lady minding her own business at the grocery store.

Anyone going up to people in stores and harassing them needs to fuck off. They have no idea why they aren't wearing one or if they have some actual medical or other reason and need to mind their own business.

You are insufferable, you won't win over anyone to your cause by calling people rednecks/idiots. You are such an angry man chill the fuck out!

Sir, this is a Kiwi Farms.

Yes, because a new strain mutating and then spreading across the world is not a pandemic. It's just normal.

"The CDC's definition of a flu epidemic relates to the percentage of deaths in a given week caused by influenza and pneumonia. The "epidemic threshold" is a certain percentage above what is considered normal for that period. The normal level, or baseline, is statistically determined based on data from past flu seasons."

A pandemic is an epidemic that is global. An epidemic is defined by the infection and death rates being drastically above normal. Covid's infection and death rates are identical to every other corona virus. It's literally just another strain. You have been memed into treating it like it's special.

The 2019–2020 Novel Coronavirus (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2) Pandemic: A Joint American College of Academic International Medicine‑World Academic Council of Emergency Medicine Multidisciplinary COVID‑19 Working Group Consensus Paper​

• April 2020
• Journal of Global Infectious Diseases 12(2):47-93

DOI:10.4103/jgid.jgid_86_20

• Projects: International Health Security (IHS)
• COVID-19
• Advances in COVID-19 Management (AC19M)

But I'm sure the Journal of Global Infectious Diseases is just a bunch of morons who don't know what a pandemic is, while you know.

 

[FEETLOAF]

I'm not talking at all about the response (why do you keep bringing it up? I'm not a lockdown supporter)

The fake classification as a pandemic is the root justification for the response, and it's why they are calling it a pandemic. It should be obvious why i keep bringing up the actual justification for classifying it as a pandemic in a discussion about why it has been classified as a pandemic.

it's spreading through a global population that has never encountered it before.

Literally every new virus does that.

but if it's spreading through a population that's never seen it before, at a high reproductive rate, that's epidemic for sure,

It has the same rate as any other virus.

And covid killed 10x that many.

You are quoting a post that is quoting you that said 50k. 50k is not 10x 60k. Were you lying then or are you lying now?
Or are you just retarded?
By the way i just quoted the actual definition of a pandemic, which is not simply based on whether or not it covers the whole world, but whether or not it has outsized infection and death rates and covers the whole world. Every virus spreads across the globe, there are literally no exceptions. The difference is if it's somehow special, more infectious or deadly, and can be classified as an epidemic. If it's not epidemic it can't be a pandemic.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

The fake classification as a pandemic is the root justification for the response, and it's why they are calling it a pandemic.

Literally every new virus does that.

It has the same rate as any other virus.

Doesn't matter. Look at the definition. Covid-19 is a new virus that is across the world. That's a pandemic by definition. Just because it makes your spaz brain assblasted doesn't mean you change the definition of the word.

You are quoting a post that is quoting you that said 50k. 50k is not 10x 60k. Were you lying then or are you lying now?
Or are you just retarded?
By the way i just quoted the actual definition of a pandemic, which is not simply based on whether or not it covers the whole world, but whether or not it has outsized infection and death rates and covers the whole world. Every virus spreads across the globe, there are literally no exceptions. The difference is if it's somehow special, more infectious or deadly, and can be classified as an epidemic. If it's not epidemic it can't be a pandemic.

Covid killed 500k people in the US, retard. Flu kills 50k in a bad year. Covid killed 10x as many as the flu. I know you're a retard, but 10 x 50k = 500k.

 

[FEETLOAF]

Covid-19 is a new virus that is across the world. That's a pandemic by definition.

You're missing a key component of the definition.

Covid killed 500k people in the US

So you were lying then?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Guys, we need to be mindful and not put labels on things without asking. Did anyone ever ask the covid virus what it/they/xer identify as? Maybe it/they/xer doesn't identify as a pandemic. Cmon it's the 21st century guys.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You're missing a key component of the definition.

What component is that?

So you were lying then?

What? If I said covid killed 50k, it was a typo. It's almost 600k now.

 

[Vecr]

Okay, if you don't like "pandemic", how about "multi-country epidemic"? If the actual general reproductive rate in the populations of multiple countries is higher than you would see in an endemic disease, how can it not be epidemic?

 

[FEETLOAF]

What component is that?

"The CDC's definition of a flu epidemic relates to the percentage of deaths in a given week caused by influenza and pneumonia. The "epidemic threshold" is a certain percentage above what is considered normal for that period. The normal level, or baseline, is statistically determined based on data from past flu seasons."

An epidemic is a disease with obscenely higher than average death and infection rates. A pandemic is an epidemic that is global.
If it's not an epidemic it's not a pandemic.
It's not an epidemic, it's literally just another cold virus.

kay, if you don't like "pandemic", how about "multi-country epidemic"?

It's not an epidemic at all.

? If the actual general reproductive rate in the populations of multiple countries is higher than you would see in an endemic disease, how can it not be epidemic?

Because the infection rate, symptoms, survival rate, etc are all normal for a corona virus. There is not a single unique or special thing about it.

What? If I said covid killed 50k, it was a typo. It's almost 600k now.

Cool now divide that by 10 to filter out all the pneumonia, flu, heart attacks, and other corona viruses that are being falsely attributed to covid to get cash covid bounties.
Oh look, it's just a normal corona virus. How neat.

But I'm sure the Journal of Global Infectious Diseases is just a bunch of morons who don't know what a pandemic is, while you know.

They're not dumb, they're liars.

 

[Vecr]

I think that's doubtful, but I'll entertain it. How about the fact that other coronavirus circulate, and give many people some protection against further harm from them in the future, and the fact that there's not a massive surge of infections in the same couple-year period? In polio for example, it only started to become a major issue after sanitation got good enough that not everyone was exposed as babies. Old people getting exposed to a new virus on it's own is not a good thing.

 

[FEETLOAF]

Old people getting exposed to a new virus on it's own is not a good thing.

It happens literally every year. It has always happened. It will literally never not happen.

and the fact that there's not a massive surge of infections in the same couple-year period?

The same number of people died in 2020 as did in 2019 there is literally no surge they made it up.
Diseases exist get over it lol.

 

[Vecr]

Okay, but how does that make it that the virus is not epidemic anywhere, and has not been epidemic at any time? Even if something as simple as rotovirus was introduced to a new place, someone would probably track it as an epidemic. You probably would just not hear about it in the media, but that does not make it somehow endemic.

 

[FEETLOAF]

Sorry, but this type of stuff makes me upset cause there are children out there who got cripped for life, or even worse, dead because of anti-vaxxers.

No they are crippled for life or dead because of diseases, not because some random guy didn't go out of their way to save their life lol.
Proximal cause is the only cause and bears the only responsibility.

Okay, but how does that make it that the virus is not epidemic anywhere, and has not been epidemic at any time? Even if something as simple as rotovirus was introduced to a new place, someone would probably track it as an epidemic. You probably would just not hear about it in the media, but that does not make it somehow endemic.

It is an epidemic if it has extremely above average infection rates, symptoms, and death rates. If you can get it and not even notice you have it it literally can't be an epidemic. The vast majority of viruses will spread across the entire globe, infect you, and you will never even know you had them. Those are neither epidemics nor pandemics, they are just... viruses. It amazes me you still don't get this.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

An epidemic is a disease with obscenely higher than average death and infection rates. A pandemic is an epidemic that is global.
If it's not an epidemic it's not a pandemic.
It's not an epidemic, it's literally just another cold virus.

Your made up definition of the word isn't the actual definition.

Cool now divide that by 10 to filter out all the pneumonia, flu, heart attacks, and other corona viruses that are being falsely attributed to covid to get cash covid bounties.
Oh look, it's just a normal corona virus. How neat.

It's cute how you actually believe this. Did your evangelical megachurch pastor tell you that?

 

[FEETLOAF]

This is the same logic of dying of "thirsty" because the human body needs water but for some stupid reason you don't want to drink water.

If you die of dehydration you don't get to blame me for it because i didn't give you free water. I'm not your dad, I'm not obligated to give a shit about you, and I don't.

If there is health treatment for any disease, you should take

No thanks, I'm good.

 

[FEETLOAF]

I wish you the best and I wish you take your vaccine when it's ready for you,

No thanks.

Don't be so spoiled, just take the vaccines, it doesn't hurt, it doesn't change your DNA, it doesn't make you green, it's just a tiny needle with the antibody that you need to resist to almost, depending on the manufacturer, 99% of protection against Covid-19.

I have no reason to want that.

 

[Thomas Highway]

@FEETLOAF 's ego won't allow how him to just say he's irrationally scared of the jab.

 

[FEETLOAF]

@FEETLOAF 's ego won't allow how him to just say he's irrationally scared of the jab.

I don't need a reason not to take it. I need a reason to take it.
I see no reason to get one so I don't.