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I have a question regarding orchiectomy. I doubt an mtf would answer but I welcome brainstorming as well. Is it possible to emotionally feel better on HRT and blockers but then undergo orchiectomy and start experiencing more mood swings, depression etc? What would cause the difference if some hormones were already blocked? Is it a potential sign of higher probability of 41%-ing in the future or probably something unrelated?
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Theoretically speaking, he should have gone off or dramatically reduced blockers once the orchiectomy went ahead. Most anecdotal responses and clinical studies suggest the blockers are the absolute biggest and worst contributor to mood and mental health.

The endocrine system is a careful balancing act that requires many regular measurements and recalibrations. If his hormones have not been recalibrated after the orchiectomy, that would be the #1 reason.

Sometimes, men temporarily go off hormones in order to bank sperm because it may be part of legal transitioning requirements or because they're shitcunt fetishists. When they go back on hormones, they can't just go back to taking their old stuff either, they have to be recalibrated and prescribed anew.
 
Blocking a hormone in dogs doesn’t necessarily predict their post castration health. I see no glaring reason why this would be observed in dogs and not human (there isn’t a comparable non-troon patient pool to compare with in humans - medical reasons for human castration are relatively rare until you reach a much older cohort, and the few younger ones will almost universally be getting replacement testosterone) I posted some references about this in a different thread the other day. it’s almost definitely related but it doesn’t have to lead to 41%ing. If it’s someone you know, please ask them to talk to a non-gender specialist therapist/counsellor. Post surgical blues can happen to anyone, after any surgery, but cutting your nuts off for no medical reason is gonna be more likely to lead to depression than most.

I wrote this thinking about about aggressive male behaviours, but if you read through, especially the second link, you will see that it seems to affect mood in a variety of ways:
Re: estrogen making men more volatile/prone to anger and that feeling counterintuitive... I’ve been posting on another thread about dogs and how their behaviour is both nature and nurture combined (aggression is not purely a matter of how they are raised, it can be in their breeding of a result of being in pain, for example). I’m a firm believer in reminding ourselves that we are just mammals, big brained, complicated mammals, for sure, but still mammals. Reading this thread and the dog thread in tandem today and, well, incoming spergery ...

In dogs (especially male dogs) there is this pervasive idea that castration will fix a lot of behaviour issues, and it can work, but it’s dependent on what is the root of those behavioural issues.
What is rarely talked about is that in some dogs, perhaps in lots of dogs, castration can actually cause aggression, this kind of aggression is usually described as fear based aggression.

Extract from https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/new-research-does-neutering-help-with-aggression/

Some of the negative behaviors found in neutered male dogs in the study included:

  • Rather than reduced aggression, the neutered male dogs in the study were found more likely to show aggression when strangers such as delivery workers were near the home, when the dog was approached by an unknown female dog and when small animals entered the yard.
  • The study also found that the behaviors were worse in dogs that were neutered earlier.
  • The neutered dogs also demonstrated more fear-based behaviors like reactions to loud noises and new situations.
  • Intact dogs were less likely to eat feces – either their own or another dog’s. They were also less likely to roll in feces or other smelly things.
  • Intact dogs were also less likely to bark persistently when they became alarmed.
  • Intact dogs were less likely to mount objects, furniture or people.
  • Intact dogs were also less likely to chase animals.
“The pattern of these results is quite clear: Neutering male dogs causes an increase in aggressive behavior, fearful behavior, over-excitability and a variety of other miscellaneous, undesirable behaviors,” wrote Coren. “What is also clear is that early neutering produces an even greater negative effect on behaviors.”

Why does this happen? Well, it’s broadly accepted that it’s caused by the reduction in circulating testosterone (which is what MtF troons induce in themselves, either with blockers (GnRHa drugs) anti androgens, or via abnormally high levels of oestrogen (via E mono therapy)

Quote from here: https://www.theveterinarynurse.com/...hs-commonly-associated-with-neutering-in-dogs
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Increasing fearfulness

Circulating testosterone is associated with increased self confidence and reduced fearfulness (Terburg and van Honk, 2013) so castration can potentially increase fearfulness, especially in dogs that are already nervous.

I don’t think it’s a big leap to assume that those MtF troons who already have low self confidence and/or social anxiety and choose to artificially suppress their testosterone via chemical or surgical castration will experience a similar rise in fear based aggression.

Male sex offenders have been treated with pretty much all the same drugs that are currently used in MtF transition, their use is pretty controversial because even when successful at killing off the libido, they either do nothing about the aggression or make it worse. This is why a male offender shouldn’t be able to use a cock chop as an entry ticket to a female prison, he’ll still be an aggressive sex offender, he’ll just be a) even angrier and b) more inventive in his pervery, now that he can‘t be a standard rapist (wannabe rapists with erectile dysfunction often resort to using objects for penetration, as any true crime fan knows).

Thank you! That was an interesting read- and not something I would have expected. Although, I agree that we are mammals and learning from animals can be a good starting point.

And yes, it's someone I know. I just don't know how to approach it, because they seemed genuinely happier while doing the other stuff (appearance and social based things), but I've noticed a shift.

Theoretically speaking, he should have gone off or dramatically reduced blockers once the orchiectomy went ahead. Most anecdotal responses and clinical studies suggest the blockers are the absolute biggest and worst contributor to mood and mental health.

The endocrine system is a careful balancing act that requires many regular measurements and recalibrations. If his hormones have not been recalibrated after the orchiectomy, that would be the #1 reason.

Sometimes, men temporarily go off hormones in order to bank sperm because it may be part of legal transitioning requirements or because they're shitcunt fetishists. When they go back on hormones, they can't just go back to taking their old stuff either, they have to be recalibrated and prescribed anew.

Yeah, that I was told was the biggest reason, to go off of blockers. They mentioned some emerging health issues too. I don't know details about their hormonal profile, of course. I was just wondering if it's possible to have all of those hormones working if testicles are gone. You described it as a balancing act but it sounds like a tough one.
 
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This is Ackez95's MLD phallo donor site 13 months post op – the butcher in chief was our Serbian one and only Miro Djordjevic. This is kinda an update on @brutal poodle's post from January posted over at Tranny Sideshows.

Real name is Aleksandar Sič (@ackez on Instagram; @TheAckez on Twitter; Ac Kez on YouTube) and she seems to be a known person in Serbia being interviewed by some local TV stations/minor news outlets under that name – if anybody here knows Serbian and cares to go through them and check if there is anything interesting in those or on her Twitter I'd love to hear that. I just glanced through those.

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From all the photos she seemed to be on the taller side of FTMs so I naturally wondered how tall she actually is – she is 176 cm tall (~5'9"), the voice does not seem bad either.

I am posting her because I feel like we don't see many MLD Phalloplasties (tissue from a back muscle is used to create the dong), and the donor site scaring seems less horrifying than with the usual arm/leg skinning. Also the dong seems to be quite sensible? Would probably benefit from medical tattooing.

IDK, I might be becoming desensitized but if there was to be a poster child for FTM surgeries for me it would be Ackez for this kind, and our dysphoric girl from earlier for the abdominal phalloplasty. And we would never have to see those mutilated arms and legs ever again.

The dong is ~15.5cm (~6.1")

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1 year post op (glans is 2 months post op) MLD phallo

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How much does MLD phallo stretch

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MLD Phallo - Explanation in the first comment
Green - area with the most sensation. I can also stimulate my t dick when touching the green area and orgasm that way if I dont feel like stroking it Yellow - little less sensation, feels a bit weird when touched BUT feels very good when stretched while penetrating, especially when penetrating analy. Also feels good when masturbating when stroking it Red - no sensation, for now.

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Donor site update, 1 year post op MLD

RE: "Chasing the impossible dream" this caught my attention in the comments under one of the posts:
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"Does the hardness of the phallus vary with your arousal?" asks Imbroglio8 – seems like a dumb question to ask even for a tranny. With the obvious answer being "How would that even work? It's a piece of skin/flesh from back glued onto crotch for fucks sake!"

So I went to check who would ask that and sure enough, it is a dumb teen girl who asked that.
 
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I have a question regarding orchiectomy. I doubt an mtf would answer but I welcome brainstorming as well. Is it possible to emotionally feel better on HRT and blockers but then undergo orchiectomy and start experiencing more mood swings, depression etc? What would cause the difference if some hormones were already blocked? Is it a potential sign of higher probability of 41%-ing in the future or probably something unrelated?
observation of an irl acquaintance
I think there is some confusion here, puberty blockers are not used in conjunction with cross sex hormones because puberty blockers prevent all sex hormones from working. Patients are moved from puberty blockers onto cross sex hormones, which ruins the gonads and prevents them from making any of the normal sex hormones they would have otherwise made. I am going to guess the person you know was on testosterone blockers (spironolactone or "sprio" for short), which is a cheaper/older/less risky medication that works differently. Virtually everyone who says they're on HRT as a MTF is taking both estrogen and spironolactone. Studies have shown that testosterone blockers don't work very well. A fair amount of testosterone can still get through, depending on the patient. From what I understand spiro binds to the testosterone itself, with varying success, leaving any excess testosterone to bind to cells. Puberty blockers jam up the receptors for sex hormones, so sex hormones are prevented from getting into cells, regardless of if it is estrogen or testosterone.

In this thread there are examples of people who took spiro and estrogen but didn't have their sex drive killed until they got castrated, and then realized it was a mistake. The difference between a weakened libido and a non-existent one is pretty big.

I have heard of more than one person who only got a clear head after they got off of estrogen, too. Hope whoever your know going through this makes it out okay. If they change their mind they can get back on androgens and their dick will work again.
 
if anybody here knows Serbian and cares to go through them and check if there is anything interesting in those or on her Twitter I'd love to hear that. I just glanced through those.
Some of the YouTube videos seem to be in English:


She’s a much better ladytranner than average, but that donor site looks like it’s been rubbed at vigorously by a man with a cheese grater.
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Christ on a cracker, she is dilating her urethra!

 
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This is Ackez95's MLD phallo donor site 13 months post op – the butcher in chief was our Serbian one and only Miro Djordjevic. This is kinda an update on @brutal poodle's post from January posted over at Tranny Sideshows.

Real name is Aleksandar Sič (@ackez on Instagram; @TheAckez on Twitter; Ac Kez on YouTube) and she seems to be a known person in Serbia being interviewed by some local TV stations/minor news outlets under that name – if anybody here knows Serbian and cares to go through them and check if there is anything interesting in those or on her Twitter I'd love to hear that. I just glanced through those.


From all the photos she seemed to be on the taller side of FTMs so I naturally wondered how tall she actually is – she is 176 cm tall (~5'9"), the voice does not seem bad either.

I am posting her because I feel like we don't see many MLD Phalloplasties (tissue from a back muscle is used to create the dong), and the donor site scaring seems less horrifying than with the usual arm/leg skinning. Also the dong seems to be quite sensible? Would probably benefit from medical tattooing.

IDK, I might be becoming desensitized but if there was to be a poster child for FTM surgeries for me it would be Ackez for this kind, and our dysphoric girl from earlier for the abdominal phalloplasty. And we would never have to see those mutilated arms and legs ever again.


RE: "Chasing the impossible dream" this caught my attention in the comments under one of the posts:
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"Does the hardness of the phallus vary with your arousal?" asks Imbroglio8 – seems like a dumb question to ask even for a tranny. With the obvious answer being "How would that even work? It's a piece of skin/flesh from back glued onto crotch for fucks sake!"

So I went to check who would ask that and sure enough, it is a dumb teen girl who asked that.
Aside from the dick which is obviously fake, that doesn’t look bad at all. The back donor site could pass for just a normal traumatic injury and is only visible when shirtless from the back, unlike the thigh and forearm which are much more likely to be exposed.
 
Virtually everyone who says they're on HRT as a MTF is taking both estrogen and spironolactone.
There are a couple of others, cyproterone acetate, bicalutamide, sometimes they get enough of an anti androgen effect out of just finasteride with estrogen, sometimes just injectable estrogen is enough to suppress testosterone.
Unneccessarily fucking around with one’s healthy endocrine system is just as mad as the the rest of it really. It’s bound to go a bit awry.

Right, as promised, here’s a couple of Frankendongs made by the surgical team at St Pete’s. At least one has already been posted here, but I include it again for, well... I dunno... collectors purposes?

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This is just stage 1, I presume, but she has not intention of getting her vag obliterated, better put that it writing!

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PEEKABOO!

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I guess this is what they mean by ‘unburied t dick’
 
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Some of the YouTube videos seem to be in English:


She’s a much better ladytranner than average, but that donor site looks like it’s been rubbed at vigorously by a man with a cheese grater.
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Christ on a cracker, she is dilating her urethra!

She's hot, but her playdough penis is a turn off.
 
Can't wait to see how this turns out.
"DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME I MADE A MISTAKE"
Dude
Your "hip implants" look like a genetic deformity. You don't and will never look like a woman with birthing hips. You made a horrible mistake, own up and live with it.
Can't wait until they pop or something like cheap tit implants. Shows you how deluded they all are. Or rather, refuse to be told the truth because it'll break them.
 
Something I've pondered, and I realize there are freaks in the world that would literally fuck anything that moves, but like...thinking of ever seeing an actual stinkditch or a flesh dildo in person, I just don't think I'd be able to hide my shock and revulsion. I would seriously be freaked out and probably projectile vomit as well as I run as far away as I could. It sounds harsh, but I seriously get sickened when I think about seeing one in real life. I view all results as fucking terrible, and obviously, I would never be tricked by one. And I clearly can't be the only one who feels this way, since trannies are always complaining about getting less sexual attention after they get SRS. And if I had to choose which one to see in real life, flesh dildo every fucking time.
 
"DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME I MADE A MISTAKE"
Dude
Your "hip implants" look like a genetic deformity. You don't and will never look like a woman with birthing hips. You made a horrible mistake, own up and live with it.
Can't wait until they pop or something like cheap tit implants. Shows you how deluded they all are. Or rather, refuse to be told the truth because it'll break them.
He reminds me of that alien film from Charlie sheen called "Arrival".
 
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She's hot, but her playdough penis is a turn off.
I've gotten amazing at recognizing female brow ridges and skulls because despite the better than average facial hair I still clocked her. I can't even tell you exactly what it is that gives it away, it's just... something. Might be the eyes, or the shape of the skull.
 
I've gotten amazing at recognizing female brow ridges and skulls because despite the better than average facial hair I still clocked her. I can't even tell you exactly what it is that gives it away, it's just... something. Might be the eyes, or the shape of the skull.
literal phrenology you nazi smh..............
but yeah, these women are objectively better off as tomboys/butch women. she'd be cool before but the sausage is not kosher.


here's a facial feminization surgery preparation video to show some differences between the average male and female face.
she has a naturally large nose but there are a set of tertiary sex factors that when combined in a person are a dead giveaway.
 
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I've gotten amazing at recognizing female brow ridges and skulls because despite the better than average facial hair I still clocked her. I can't even tell you exactly what it is that gives it away, it's just... something. Might be the eyes, or the shape of the skull.
You’re right. Look at her eyes without the facial hair:
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The beard and bushier brows are doing the work here, her face is pretty feminine otherwise. Naturally arched brow, upturned almond eye shape, smooth brown ridge. It’s not just one component, but the totality of features together.
 
You’re right. Look at her eyes without the facial hair:
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The beard and bushier brows are doing the work here, her face is pretty feminine otherwise. Naturally arched brow, upturned almond eye shape, smooth brown ridge. It’s not just one component, but the totality of features together.
Honestly, the eyes is more of an ethnic marker than anything else. It's common as muck among turkics.

I truly dont get the autism around here re. clocking ftms. Everybody acting like they can spot them in the wild is lying to themselves.

When a woman takes t long enough its game over, it's just that ruinous. They may end up looking like sickly manlets but indistinguishable from natal sickly manlets none the less.
 
When a woman takes t long enough its game over, it's just that ruinous. They may end up looking like sickly manlets but indistinguishable from natal sickly manlets none the less.
They're relatively easy to pick when they're doing the fat neckbeard thing, but there is no way I would have picked this particular version of Chaz Bono as trans.

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Honestly, the eyes is more of an ethnic marker than anything else. It's common as muck among turkics.

I truly dont get the autism around here re. clocking ftms. Everybody acting like they can spot them in the wild is lying to themselves.

When a woman takes t long enough its game over, it's just that ruinous. They may end up looking like sickly manlets but indistinguishable from natal sickly manlets none the less.
Well, I don't think she is THAT easy to clock like others in this thread made it to be. This is actually a fairly 'fortunate' looking TIF who were likely a masculine woman to begin with - but I can still see something wrong and feminine about her. On a quick glance out in the wild it might not be very obvious - but I think seeing them naked helps with clocking a lot, or if I interact with them in real life, 3-dimensional space, seeing how they moves and talk. There's something 'off' about the whole combination of facial features and body proportion here in pictures even. Buck Angle seems female in all the porn clips she plays in, and I remember a talk show where she got clocked a minute in (Though I'm not sure if it was staged). This is more apparent if you put TIM and TIF standing together... their sex becomes so apparent due to contrast.

Cultural perception of how to distinguish sex is very important, back in victorian era a woman can dress like men and could never be clocked even if she was not on hormones - no one thought that high-pitched voice was a female thing. Because the heuristic for what people use to determine sex was different from modern time. Today women wearing masculine clothes and having short hair would still be seen as women because we learned to look elsewhere. There's also an anecdotes that troons have a harder time passing in cities that have more troon population (like Los Angeles). Or in Thailand, where our ladyboys put 50 times more effort to look pretty compared to ogres we see here, yet the locals learned to clock them that they aren't really seen as women at all, but tourists have much harder time.

Some days when there are too many trannies around they will definitely stop being able to pass. - This is why I believe even if there's no backlashes to TRA, a positive growth to their movement will still inevitably backfires. In the West, the sole reason we allowed troons to completely pose as opposite gender in the first place because there were so little trannies around and the strict gender roles during 1930s-1950s made them rather stealth. People didn't expect that.


They're relatively easy to pick when they're doing the fat neckbeard thing, but there is no way I would have picked this particular version of Chaz Bono as trans.

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Her face still looks pretty feminine to me, I think the biggest 'red herring' when it comes to TIFs are hairline. Because we wouldn't really expect women with male pattern baldness. and I'm sure any kind of troons are easier to clock irl because camera angles helps a lot in passing in photos.
 
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