Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Popoto]

Can't wait to see how this turns out.

Where is the laugh react when you need it

Also, this situation is what Remy Ma was talking when she was dissing how Nicky Minaj's got a literally dumb ass - her ass implants migrated (herniated?) and Meek Mill couldn't get laid for 3 months. And this one straight up pays to get it.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

Can't wait to see how this turns out.

If the poor dude ever tries to complain about that horrible mess to his doctor, I’m sure the doc will do so little as to forward him this fat girl meme

 

[sperginity]

I can only infer from this that there ought to be a "penis washing tutorial" mothers are not privy to or feel comfortable performing. Circumcision elminates that aspect.

Why aren’t the dads washing their sons? Surely they would know the consequences more.

Jazz got the surgery right after he turned 18.

The penis washing tutorial given to new parents is "NEVER try to force back the foreskin, doing so can injure your child's penis. wash the outside of the foreskin only unless it moves back easily on its own, which is not expected until later in childhood". They tell parents plainly and often to leave it alone because they are generally too eager to clean their infants. They get told in equally strong terms to leave the stump of the umbilical cord alone, and to not clean the insides of a baby's ear canals.

The foreskin is anchored to the glans in babies and gradually disconnects, and the foreskin loosens over time. There isn't a way to reduce the instance of UTI in uncircumcised babies without removing the foreskin. I'm not advocating for that practice or trying to start an argument in this thread, I am pointing out the facts involved here. It has nothing to do with ignorance and everything to do with physiology. The risk of UTI in male infants vs the risks of removing the foreskin is a medical decision that parents need to make for their own kids.

This law only applies to minors. As far as I know nobody is doing SRS to underage teens in the US.

haha, no. I wrote the thread for jazz jennings, and he was indeed chopped at 17. It would have been sooner if he had not gotten fat for awhile.

Jazz is not an anomaly. On the last season of I Am Jazz, the mom and jazz have a facebook live event to talk to other parents who are getting their kids chopped as minors after puberty blockade. Jazz talks to other minors who are looking at having surgery. Its happening. Here is an article in the journal of sexual medicine about minors getting MTF SRS, so surgeons admitting to doing this. The UCLA affiliated gender clinic cuts tits off of 12 and 13 year olds as well referring out for SRS, this place is getting tax dollars to study the outcomes of youth gender transition btw... But anyway, here is the link to the paper about surgeon's experiences and attitudes towards vaginoplasty in minors:

DEFINE_ME

Spoiler: paper name and first page

Age Is Just a Number: WPATH-Affiliated Surgeons' Experiences and Attitudes Toward Vaginoplasty in Transgender Females Under 18 Years of Age in the United States​

Background​

A rising number of female-affirmed transgender adolescents are being treated with gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogues and subsequently cross-sex hormones at early or mid-puberty, with vaginoplasty as the presumed final step in their physical transition. But, despite the minimum age of 18 years defining eligibility to undergo this irreversible procedure, anecdotal reports have shown that vaginoplasties are being performed on minors by surgeons in the United States, thereby contravening the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) standards of care (SOC).

Aim​

To explore surgeons' attitudes toward ethical guidelines in the SOC; any professional experiences of performing vaginoplasty on transgender minors; views of surgical risks, benefits, and harm reduction measures; and perceptions of future challenges and concerns in this area of surgical practice.

Methods​

A qualitative semistructured interview approach was used to collect data from 13 male and 7 female surgeons who perform transgender vaginoplasty in the United States.

Outcomes​

Professional experiences and attitudes toward vaginoplasty in transgender minors were analyzed using the constant comparative method applied to 20 individual interview transcripts.

Results​

While there was close agreement concerning surgical techniques, proper patient selection, and predictive elements of postoperative success, attitudes toward the SOC and the reliance on the guidelines varied. The sole practitioner model is gradually giving way to a more holistic team approach, with patient responsibility dispersed among different professionals. Different approaches to surgical training, professional standards, and fellowship programs were suggested. Several participants expressed a need for centralized data collection, patient tracking, and increased involvement of the WPATH as a sponsor of studies in this emergent population.

Clinical Implications​

Drawing on surgeons' attitudes and experiences is essential for the development of standards and practices. A more precise and transparent view of this surgical procedure will be essential in contributing to the updated version 8 of the WPATH SOC.

Strengths and Limitations​

The abundant data elicited from the interviews address several meaningful research questions, most importantly patient selection criteria, surgical methods, and issues critical to the future of the profession. Nevertheless, the limited sample might not be representative of the surgical cadre at large, particularly when exploring experiences and attitudes toward vaginoplasty in minors. A larger participant pool representing WPATH-affiliated surgeons outside the United States would improve the generalizability of the study.

Conclusion​

Taken together, the study and its findings make a significant contribution to the planned revision of the WPATH SOC.
Milrod C, Karasic DH. Age Is Just a Number: WPATH-Affiliated Surgeons' Experiences and Attitudes Toward Vaginoplasty in Transgender Females Under 18 Years of Age in the United States. J Sex Med 2017;14:624–634.

 

[Red Lobster]

Well, the next contestant does not seem to have BDP. Au contraire.

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"NSFW NUDE phallo. Needing some feeling kinda dysphoric. Wish my dick was bigger. Sometimes it's hard to accept I am not 8 inches." says Few_Huckleberry8076 who had a pubic abdominal phallo by dr Sherman leis – which means no thigh, forearm or back* mutilation, yay!

What's she packing? Well, she has a size that looks almost 1:1 to a softie/chubby a man who looked liked that would have in pants. And she is dysphoric about it. Have these bitches never seen a real dong in their damn lives? Those that get lucky to have something that makes sense get dysphoric and those that get franken-kiwi-dongs get euphoric. Talk about pure lunacy.

Well wouldn't you know it? She posted on transbucket as well – there she is under the name risingjoe.

The first picture is there posted with this caption:

I do my own medical tattoos using real ink vegan and organic and I go to a professional piercing artist. I am 25 years post op phallo. I update my piercings and I have more to come and more tattoos. It's a work in progress. I am 4.5 inches. No implant. I wish I was bigger. I do not have implants anymore in my balls because it was hard to get clitoral erections as my had the skin taken off and placed in my balls. Crag ass orgasms from jacking off, penetrating and oral sex. I wish I was bigger but what can you do. Overall, I am happy but suffer from dyphoria at times over size.

Yes, you read that right – 25 years, there is no decimal point missing (in a comment under another post she says it was made over 20 years ago). She says "i was first man to go to serbia to have meta surgery with perovic"

Sava Perovic is the full name of the first butcher, and apparently he died in 2010. Before that "he personally trained Dr Rados Djinovic to perform all of the Great Professor's 74 complex uro-genital procedures and more." – that website is a rabbit-hole worth exploring. There seems to be a number of photos for each stage of a procedure, and even some videos – like how to massage the donor site before operation (seems like instructions for the butcher that double as informational video of what they'll be doing for the patients).

Back to our dysphoric girl though:

I pee standing from my balls. I had a meta previously. So they hid my meta in my balls. I have a hole in my balls that I pee from. I pee from that hole 🕳 because my meta was extended out to my balls using additional skin. It's unique for sure: I believe for others they pee behind the balls. If I could turn back time I would keep the vagina, meta and do the phallophallasty!

Oh, and she has a girlfriend (full text which this is taken from under spoiler below):

I use what is called a penis sleeve, or penis extender and I have attached photos. It works great for penetration but I am unable to feel the inside of my GF vagina when wearing one, her vaginal skin and the shaft of my penis is covered with the penis sleeve. Yet, we both are able to orgasm so there is no big complaints but I would like to feel her.

Spoiler: Wall of text

i was first man to go to serbia to have meta surgery with perovic and wrote up my experience and many years later I see how many people have gone. I feel part of history. I decided to have my phallo surgery with Dr. Sherman Leis because I did not want to travel out of country again. I liked having a meta because blow jobs are great but realistically there is no way to have sex with a meta, it is way too small. Penetration is not possible. So I opted for a "pubic phallo" skin was taken from my stomach and pubic region to create my penis. The benefit of a pubic phallo is a free tummy tuck and no arm, leg,or lat scars. I did not want obvious scars to point out that I am trans. I dont get all the benefits as those other phallos but I made the right choice for me. My meta was put inside my phallo, I would probably wished to have it exposed for more sensation if possible. I do not have sexual feeling inside of my penis. I do have about 75 percent tactile feeling all over the shaft but not the glans of my penis. My meta was put inside my scrotum and when horny, my meta becomes erect inside my balls and and I get off from being rubbed, jacked off or through penetration. My orgasm comes from the slapping of my penis and balls inside and against the vagina. My meta is stimulated through sexual intercourse. I am happy with the size of my phallo but wish instead of 4 1/2 inches I would have opted for 6 1/2 inches. I also have had three penile implant surgeries. The first implant lasted 5 years, the second implant lasted two years and the third penile implant lasted one year. My body keeps rejecting the implants and over time the implant moves around in the phallo and can pop out. I have suffered from MRSA and staph infections from penile implants. I may consider getting one again down the road, but I am tired of being hospitalized and losing implants. So how do I penetrate, I use what is called a penis sleeve, or penis extender and I have attached photos. It works great for penetration but I am unable to feel the inside of my GF vagina when wearing one, her vaginal skin and the shaft of my penis is covered with the penis sleeve. Yet, we both are able to orgasm so there is no big complaints but I would like to feel her. I am looking forward to possible implant in the future, but for right now the sleeve works great, there are many sizes, colors,lengths and styles available online. Overall, I am happy with my phallo. I would like to have my glans shaped more defined and implant in future.

Spoiler: Before tats and piercing

"erection with sleeve and condom"

 

[Angriest Bird]

You know, despite everything, this is probably the most competent phallo dong I’ve seen so... props to this person for winning the elective genital mutilation lottery.

 

[Fannybaws]

My brain cannot compute how she'd pee standing up through her faux ballsack. What contortions must she go through?! Would she do it in a public toilet?!


Also my brain on meat sleeves

 

[Dr. Troon Lagoon]

John Harvey Kellogg advocate for it to stop boys from masturbating.

The influence of Kellog and the Seventh Day Adventist Church influence on US Medicine and todays Food industry in pushing Veganism cannot be overstated. From the mad ramblings of Ellen G White they have a lot of sway on Dietary Institutions and a very large Food industry ownership, that at least in Australia operates as a tax-free enterprise given their religious affiliation.

Currently reading Prof. Robert Lustig's new Book Metabolical and it is wild! I expected financial interests warping research, but (Christian) religious bias/conviction? No way. So anything that comes out of Loma Linda university: read it with a bucket load of salt and go through it with a comb, as their convictions determine the outcome of their studies.

Here a primer on their sway in Australia and pushing the "Breckie" culture:

Also from their own mouth a paper on their beginnings: Banta 2018 The Global Influence of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church on Diet

It is quite the unexpected Rabbit Hole!

 

[Internet's Boyfriend]

I pee standing from my balls. I had a meta previously. So they hid my meta in my balls. I have a hole in my balls that I pee from. I pee from that hole 🕳 because my meta was extended out to my balls using additional skin. It's unique for sure: I believe for others they pee behind the balls. If I could turn back time I would keep the vagina, meta and do the phallophallasty!

Damn, I thought "pee is stored in the balls" was just a meme.

 

[Popoto]

The influence of Kellog and the Seventh Day Adventist Church influence on US Medicine and todays Food industry in pushing Veganism cannot be overstated. From the mad ramblings of Ellen G White they have a lot of sway on Dietary Institutions and a very large Food industry ownership, that at least in Australia operates as a tax-free enterprise given their religious affiliation.

I can confirm this, as I (briefly) had admitting privileges to a Seventh Day Adventist Hospital. They expect the staff to adhere to a vegan diet while at work, and I was so miserable.

The Australian foodstuffs company, Sanitarium (yes they named a company that), only employs vegetarians. They are famous for Weet-Bix, an inexplicably popular breakfast cereal.

Also, Australia is (apparently) pioneers of bloodless surgery because Jehovah's Witnesses are against blood transfusions. A few of my US colleagues are here for a bloodless surgery fellowship.

 

[Tumbo]

Peak manhood, what they realize deep in their brains and souls enough to stress and break their bodies and cut off pieces of their arms, cut out family members and change relationships, what they will literally kill themselves for not being able to achieve, is pissing standing up. Experiencing all the little things. Those weird urinals that seem way too close together with no partitions, those urinals that look like cattle feed troughs with a drizzling hose at the top. Trying to not see anyone's dick in your peripheral vision. That guy who won't stop fucking talking to you while you both piss. Growing up with that weird kid who pulls his pants all the way down at the urinal. Writing your name in the snow. Just, fucking idealized masculinity right there. I am ashamed I've taken it for granted.

I'm not sure about anyone else but the last thing I want when trying to take a piss is do it in front of other people let me sit in my stall in peace ffs and yet this is what these people crave Dear God.

 

[1440p Curved Monitor]

Holy shit what a comedy to wake up to.
My new no no square isn't where it should be

I am 1 month post-op... with Rumer... and Im concerned that my new no-no square is higher than it should be.

I dont know anything about anatomy or lady parts so I'm not sure if what I'm thinking is correct or not.

If you look at these example undies you'll see 2 circles. Red is the area at the bottom of underwear where I assumed you're... area... would be. But mine doesnt. I'm more like the yellow circle that is higher up.

Maybe its from swelling, maybe im crazy... idk...

But I dont think my new no-no square is supposed to be completely facing forward out in front of me but instead shouldn't it be like... under me? At the bottom of me?

Edit: I've even sucked it up and unwillingly looked at other posts here to see what others looked like and yeah mine seems way higher up my bikini triangle area...

Image he posted:

This troon not only goes to Rumer, but he also doesn't know basic women's anatomy and still got an amhole . God these men are pathetic, you cant make this shit up.
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[Sinner's Sandwich]

Holy shit what a comedy to wake up to.
My new vag isn't where it should be

Image he posted:
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This troon not only goes to Rumer, but he also doesn't know basic women's anatomy and still got an amhole . God these men are pathetic, you cant make this shit up.
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Dude asked Rumer for that weird surgery "non-binary" surgery but even Rumer doesn't want to do it (!) and told him it can't be done. He is now accusing her of lying.

Also he had srs without knowing what zero-depth vaginoplasty is. He expected to have no genitals at all. Dude is r.etarded.

 

[Say What Now?]

Dude can't even use the word vulva or vagina. WTF does that even mean "no-no square?" Square?

 

[Gar For Archer]

Holy shit what a comedy to wake up to.
My new no no square isn't where it should be

Image he posted:
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This troon not only goes to Rumer, but he also doesn't know basic women's anatomy and still got an amhole . God these men are pathetic, you cant make this shit up.
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Looks like he got a “front hole” after all!

 

[Mountain Dew]

Dude can't even use the word vulva or vagina. WTF does that even mean "no-no square?" Square?

Severely autistic man who should have never gotten surgery. Or someone doing a CGL roleplay and is fetish mining. The world will never know...

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

Feeling inadequate about a perfectly reasonable* penis is a species of Authentic Male Experience, I think, but the catch-22 is that she can't appreciate that as Gender Euphoria.

I guess the problem is, hers is neither a grower *nor* a show-er?

Does... does your G-spot get sealed up inside you if you get a phalloplasty? Even if they take out the vagina, does the internal clitoral structure remain intact? can you imagine

They seal up vaginal canal by scraping off the lining and letting it all heal together. It’s referred to as ‘vaginal obliteration’ apparently. Which sounds charming.
Presumably the internal bit of clitoris that was once somewhat reachable through the front of the vaginal wall is still there, just not accessible any more? The grown up words for it are Colpectomy (removing the lining) plus a Colpocleisis (sealing it up) but some people seem to use ‘vaginectomy’ to refer to both together.

You know, despite everything, this is probably the most competent phallo dong I’ve seen so... props to this person for winning the elective genital mutilation lottery.

So FTM surgery has actually regressed over the last 20 years!

Chasing the impossible dream of a wang with feeling, that you can pee through. And artificially inflate.

Seems like tattoos would cover a lot of scarring, but would it be painful to tattoo over top scars or over a flayed arm or thigh?

Thigh would probably be alright, but you‘d want to leave it alone for a good while, probably a year or two. The arm would have to be an unusually well-healed one - some of these women are unable to even expose their weird shrivelled looking arms to the winter air!

Tattoos are always painful. Don't let anyone lie to you about it.

They aren’t that bad!

Spoiler: TMI

I’d rather have a tattoo than a kidney infection or a wisdom tooth extraction or another baby. That shit hurts.
I’m more or less finished now and the only really awful bits were palms, kneecaps and the crease between arse cheek and top of thigh

Back to the Phallofuckery. A while ago I posted about St Peter’s Andrology, but I’ll recap that post here for the sake of tidiness.

St Peter’s is a private penis specialist team who specialise in making posh old men’s penises more snazzy: https://www.andrology.co.uk/

They are the only U.K. surgical team who offer phallo or metoidoplasty, and as the numbers of FTM transitioners in U.K., were relatively small, the NHS simply contracted them to provide this particularly surgery, rather than offering it ‘in house’.
Of course, that was before the massive uptick in teenage girls with ROGD happened circa 2014/2015, many of those women will now be reaching the point where ‘bottom surgery’ is the next step, should they wish to have a frankensausage of their own.

The St Peter’s surgical team are world renowned, so much so, that when they fucked up and removed the vagina of a woman who wanted to be a fujoshi rather than a man, and then faked consent forms to try and cover it up, the surgeon, Guilio Garaffa was only suspended for 5 months, because the disciplinary tribunal decided he was too rare a specialist to be out of practice any longer.
One of the other surgeons on the team, Professor Ralph, botched a ladydong and the owner of said dong was camping outside the doctors office 24/7 in a one woman protest, but presumably got chased off by the rozzers when covid lockdown started:


normal men with actual penises have also reported dissatisfaction post operatively, but the St Peter’s Andrology surgeon who conducted that study, Mr Nim Christopher, concluded they had unrealistic expectations and needed counselling (also, ‘bear shits in woods’).

which brings us to the present day...

Apparently the NHS fixed term contract for providing 3 stage phalloplasty and 2 stage metoidoplasty has come to an end, and St Pete‘s have failed to do the paperwork required for another one.
Cue much freaking out of British manlets, especially those who are waiting for stage two or stage three surgeries, those with half done dongs. If you will.

Whether this is purely an administrative oversight, or if Misters Christopher and Rubin and Professor Ralph have decided they are thoroughly sick of working with Aidens and Gaydens, we do not yet know.

(Garaffa and Carpece of the accidental vaginal obliteration are both reinstated to practice but no longer employed at St Peter’s. Carpece has returned to his native Italy, but Garaffa is still in London so maybe his new company will be vying for the contract? As far as I can tell only Professor Ralph is a micro surgeon, so he must be the forearm guy?)



(Trying to find the original insta post referenced but no luck yet)

Discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/transgende..._peters_andrology_centre_have_lost_their_nhs/
Archive: https://archive.md/eroFd

reddit post about the protestor in the tent: https://www.reddit.com/r/transgende...otest_outside_the_london_clinic_towards_prof/

Protest outside the London clinic towards Prof David Ralph and his te…

archived 10 May 2021 16:05:26 UTC

archive.is

Some British Gayden YouTuber writing about his phalloplasty at St Pete’s:

Phalloplasty Timeline - Referral to Completion | Finlay Games

A personal timeline of phalloplasty surgery from referral to completion. Sharing reflections and videos of stages from start to finish

finlaygames.com

he wrote an entire book about his frankenpeen. Lol.

My Books - Finlay Games

‘Top to Bottom, a Memoir and Personal Guide Through Phalloplasty’ Available Now! My first memoir, ‘Top to Bottom – A Memoir and Personal Guide Through Phalloplasty published by Jessica Kingsley […]

finlaygames.com

Will edit with some archive links:

Phalloplasty Timeline - Referral to Completion | Finlay Games

archived 10 May 2021 16:09:17 UTC

archive.is

My Books | Finlay Games

archived 10 May 2021 16:15:51 UTC

archive.is

 

[Gar For Archer]

I guess the problem is, hers is neither a grower *nor* a show-er?

They seal up vaginal canal by scraping off the lining and letting it all heal together. It’s referred to as ‘vaginal obliteration’ apparently. Which sounds charming.
Presumably the internal bit of clitoris that was once somewhat reachable through the front of the vaginal wall is still there, just not accessible any more? The grown up words for it are Colpectomy (removing the lining) plus a Colpocleisis (sealing it up) but some people seem to use ‘vaginectomy’ to refer to both together.


So FTM surgery has actually regressed over the last 20 years!

Chasing the impossible dream of a wang with feeling, that you can pee through. And artificially inflate.



Thigh would probably be alright, but you‘d want to leave it alone for a good while, probably a year or two. The arm would have to be an unusually well-healed one - some of these women are unable to even expose their weird shrivelled looking arms to the winter air!



They aren’t that bad!

Spoiler: TMI

I’d rather have a tattoo than a kidney infection or a wisdom tooth extraction or another baby. That shit hurts.
I’m more or less finished now and the only really awful bits were palms, kneecaps and the crease between arse cheek and top of thigh

Back to the Phallofuckery. A while ago I posted about St Peter’s Andrology, but I’ll recap that post here for the sake of tidiness.

St Peter’s is a private penis specialist team who specialise in making posh old men’s penises more snazzy: https://www.andrology.co.uk/

They are the only U.K. surgical team who offer phallo or metoidoplasty, and as the numbers of FTM transitioners in U.K., were relatively small, the NHS simply contracted them to provide this particularly surgery, rather than offering it ‘in house’.
Of course, that was before the massive uptick in teenage girls with ROGD happened circa 2014/2015, many of those women will now be reaching the point where ‘bottom surgery’ is the next step, should they wish to have a frankensausage of their own.

The St Peter’s surgical team are world renowned, so much so, that when they fucked up and removed the vagina of a woman who wanted to be a fujoshi rather than a man, and then faked consent forms to try and cover it up, the surgeon, Guilio Garaffa was only suspended for 5 months, because the disciplinary tribunal decided he was too rare a specialist to be out of practice any longer.
One of the other surgeons on the team, Professor Ralph, botched a ladydong and the owner of said dong was camping outside the doctors office 24/7 in a one woman protest, but presumably got chased off by the rozzers when covid lockdown started:

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normal men with actual penises have also reported dissatisfaction post operatively, but the St Peter’s Andrology surgeon who conducted that study, Mr Nim Christopher, concluded they had unrealistic expectations and needed counselling (also, ‘bear shits in woods’).

which brings us to the present day...

Apparently the NHS fixed term contract for providing 3 stage phalloplasty and 2 stage metoidoplasty has come to an end, and St Pete‘s have failed to do the paperwork required for another one.
Cue much freaking out of British manlets, especially those who are waiting for stage two or stage three surgeries, those with half done dongs. If you will.

Whether this is purely an administrative oversight, or if Misters Christopher and Rubin and Professor Ralph have decided they are thoroughly sick of working with Aidens and Gaydens, we do not yet know.

(Garaffa and Carpece of the accidental vaginal obliteration are both reinstated to practice but no longer employed at St Peter’s. Carpece has returned to his native Italy, but Garaffa is still in London so maybe his new company will be vying for the contract? As far as I can tell only Professor Ralph is a micro surgeon, so he must be the forearm guy?)

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(Trying to find the original insta post referenced but no luck yet)

Discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/transgende..._peters_andrology_centre_have_lost_their_nhs/
Archive: https://archive.md/eroFd

reddit post about the protestor in the tent: https://www.reddit.com/r/transgende...otest_outside_the_london_clinic_towards_prof/

https://archive.md/dbGg8

Some British Gayden YouTuber writing about his phalloplasty at St Pete’s:

Phalloplasty Timeline - Referral to Completion | Finlay Games

A personal timeline of phalloplasty surgery from referral to completion. Sharing reflections and videos of stages from start to finish

finlaygames.com

he wrote an entire book about his frankenpeen. Lol.

My Books - Finlay Games

‘Top to Bottom, a Memoir and Personal Guide Through Phalloplasty’ Available Now! My first memoir, ‘Top to Bottom – A Memoir and Personal Guide Through Phalloplasty published by Jessica Kingsley […]

finlaygames.com

Will edit with some archive links:

https://archive.md/9AITY

https://archive.md/BS30k

This Christopher guy was mentioned some pages earlier in relation to a botched frankendong that he insisted was normal. I’ll link the post if I can be assed to find it.

 

[Red Lobster]

This Christopher guy was mentioned some pages earlier in relation to a botched frankendong that he insisted was normal. I’ll link the post if I can be assed to find it.

Was this post, wasn't it? The real crime for me is how the donor site looks like rather than the dong itself. Which is also weird, but those made from arms/legs that are usually posted here are far more horrifying.

Once again I go to London, they remove the drain as the hole is now so big there's no way it'll work (and it's by now really painful - side note the scar from it is the size of a 50p) the holes are huge by now and fluid is constant. I see Mr Christopher for the first time since I was discharged, he walks straight in while I'm on the bed, jams his fingers in the holes with no warning and 'pops' the scar tissue on the inside. Myself, the bed and my clothes are covered in blood and fluid, no time to prepare - I have to go home like that.

He tells me 'it's normal, I once had an older guy whose whole stomach split open, this will heal fine'

 

[Reluctant MC]

I have a question regarding orchiectomy. I doubt an mtf would answer but I welcome brainstorming as well. Is it possible to emotionally feel better on HRT and blockers but then undergo orchiectomy and start experiencing more mood swings, depression etc? What would cause the difference if some hormones were already blocked? Is it a potential sign of higher probability of 41%-ing in the future or probably something unrelated?

Spoiler

observation of an irl acquaintance

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

I have a question regarding orchiectomy. I doubt an mtf would answer but I welcome brainstorming as well. Is it possible to emotionally feel better on HRT and blockers but then undergo orchiectomy and start experiencing more mood swings, depression etc? What would cause the difference if some hormones were already blocked? Is it a potential sign of higher probability of 41%-ing in the future or probably something unrelated?

Spoiler

observation of an irl acquaintance

Blocking a hormone in dogs doesn’t necessarily predict their post castration health. I see no glaring reason why this would be observed in dogs and not human (there isn’t a comparable non-troon patient pool to compare with in humans - medical reasons for human castration are relatively rare until you reach a much older cohort, and the few younger ones will almost universally be getting replacement testosterone) I posted some references about this in a different thread the other day. it’s almost definitely related but it doesn’t have to lead to 41%ing. If it’s someone you know, please ask them to talk to a non-gender specialist therapist/counsellor. Post surgical blues can happen to anyone, after any surgery, but cutting your nuts off for no medical reason is gonna be more likely to lead to depression than most.

Spoiler: Dogs and post castration behaviour:

I wrote this thinking about about aggressive male behaviours, but if you read through, especially the second link, you will see that it seems to affect mood in a variety of ways:
Re: estrogen making men more volatile/prone to anger and that feeling counterintuitive... I’ve been posting on another thread about dogs and how their behaviour is both nature and nurture combined (aggression is not purely a matter of how they are raised, it can be in their breeding of a result of being in pain, for example). I’m a firm believer in reminding ourselves that we are just mammals, big brained, complicated mammals, for sure, but still mammals. Reading this thread and the dog thread in tandem today and, well, incoming spergery ...

In dogs (especially male dogs) there is this pervasive idea that castration will fix a lot of behaviour issues, and it can work, but it’s dependent on what is the root of those behavioural issues.
What is rarely talked about is that in some dogs, perhaps in lots of dogs, castration can actually cause aggression, this kind of aggression is usually described as fear based aggression.

Extract from https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/new-research-does-neutering-help-with-aggression/

Some of the negative behaviors found in neutered male dogs in the study included:

• Rather than reduced aggression, the neutered male dogs in the study were found more likely to show aggression when strangers such as delivery workers were near the home, when the dog was approached by an unknown female dog and when small animals entered the yard.
• The study also found that the behaviors were worse in dogs that were neutered earlier.
• The neutered dogs also demonstrated more fear-based behaviors like reactions to loud noises and new situations.
• Intact dogs were less likely to eat feces – either their own or another dog’s. They were also less likely to roll in feces or other smelly things.
• Intact dogs were also less likely to bark persistently when they became alarmed.
• Intact dogs were less likely to mount objects, furniture or people.
• Intact dogs were also less likely to chase animals.

“The pattern of these results is quite clear: Neutering male dogs causes an increase in aggressive behavior, fearful behavior, over-excitability and a variety of other miscellaneous, undesirable behaviors,” wrote Coren. “What is also clear is that early neutering produces an even greater negative effect on behaviors.”

Why does this happen? Well, it’s broadly accepted that it’s caused by the reduction in circulating testosterone (which is what MtF troons induce in themselves, either with blockers (GnRHa drugs) anti androgens, or via abnormally high levels of oestrogen (via E mono therapy)

Quote from here: https://www.theveterinarynurse.com/...hs-commonly-associated-with-neutering-in-dogs
(my bold)

Increasing fearfulness​

Circulating testosterone is associated with increased self confidence and reduced fearfulness (Terburg and van Honk, 2013) so castration can potentially increase fearfulness, especially in dogs that are already nervous.

I don’t think it’s a big leap to assume that those MtF troons who already have low self confidence and/or social anxiety and choose to artificially suppress their testosterone via chemical or surgical castration will experience a similar rise in fear based aggression.

Male sex offenders have been treated with pretty much all the same drugs that are currently used in MtF transition, their use is pretty controversial because even when successful at killing off the libido, they either do nothing about the aggression or make it worse. This is why a male offender shouldn’t be able to use a cock chop as an entry ticket to a female prison, he’ll still be an aggressive sex offender, he’ll just be a) even angrier and b) more inventive in his pervery, now that he can‘t be a standard rapist (wannabe rapists with erectile dysfunction often resort to using objects for penetration, as any true crime fan knows).

Was this post, wasn't it? The real crime for me is how the donor site looks like rather than the dong itself. Which is also weird, but those made from arms/legs that are usually posted here are far more horrifying.

This is wild! Can’t believe I missed it!
Looks like Christopher and Rubin do indeed do the abdo ones and Ralph the forearm ones. I found a couple of non-horror but still v weird looking ones from the London team and will post them a bit later.

One looks like Gonzo’s nose...