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Didn't J&J peel a guy's skin off? I'm also thinking that it cause a lady's legs to get amputated or something, but it might have been another vaccine. You know, thinking about it, in both stories both people stressed that vaccines in general are safe for the majority of people. They really focus on that part, maybe they want people to be scared of the traditional vaccines so that people go for the MRNA shit? Just a thought that occurred to me just now.
Big Pharma is there to make money, but they do compete amongst each other and this is one case where they plant these stories in the media. You have the same (or higher) risk of dying of COVID-19 or suffering legitimate "long COVID" as you do having your legs amputated or skin peeling off.
I do love how the famous folk that are vehemently pro-mask (AOC, David Hogg etc) are so unlikable that it's going to make people stop wearing them out of spite.
Anyone who likes AOC or guitar pick-head David Hogg is a guaranteed maskfag anyway.
 
Didn't J&J peel a guy's skin off? I'm also thinking that it cause a lady's legs to get amputated or something, but it might have been another vaccine. You know, thinking about it, in both stories both people stressed that vaccines in general are safe for the majority of people. They really focus on that part, maybe they want people to be scared of the traditional vaccines so that people go for the MRNA shit? Just a thought that occurred to me just now.
Here's the dirty truth. All vaccines have wildly ranging side effects. Yes, even the hysterically pushed MMR that has to be pushed every few years because the manufactured stocks of it are going bad (yes, you can match up Measles scares with this, it's hilarious when you start looking). You just don't hear about it. Hell, people die every year to vaccines. The thing about vaccines is you are injecting people with a medical cocktail, it doesn't matter how safe it is for most people everyone's biology varies pretty wildly in terms of how they respond. When you are trying to treat the maximum number of people, you are going to end up with side effects and death.

Also, fuck the Pfizer jab. That's the one I almost trust the least with how powerful and effect their continued propaganda campaign has been. I mean, why the hell do you think that particular skin melting story got traction but not the hundreds of others relating to mRNA jabs? Our pharmaceutical industry is pretty much a caricature of the evil businessman.
 
Yes, even the hysterically pushed MMR that has to be pushed every few years because the manufactured stocks of it are going bad (yes, you can match up Measles scares with this, it's hilarious when you start looking).
It's worth getting "hysterical" over the MMR vaccine when the side effects are verifiably extremely low compared to the alternative, which is measles, mumps, and rubella outbreaks i.e. diseases whose common side effects are birth defects, infertility, and fucking death. Antivaxxers are so hated and make for such easy targets because before their movement took off in the early 21st century, those three diseases were almost totally extinct in the developed world. The MMR vaccine (especially the modern one which doesn't even have mercury in it) is an example of a good, well-tested vaccine, the exact opposite of the garbage Chinavirus vaccines.
 
Question for people in regards to faking vaccine cards.

While they are easy to fake, have any companies found a work around for verifying which cards are real yet?

They can check lot #, but otherwise are they able to get info confirmed by the areas health departments?
 
Question for people in regards to faking vaccine cards.

While they are easy to fake, have any companies found a work around for verifying which cards are real yet?

They can check lot #, but otherwise are they able to get info confirmed by the areas health departments?
I would assume the end goal is going to be an app which needs to connect to a server to authenticate the QR code or card. That's the easiest work around, and some companies have already developed apps for social distancing or check-ins.
 
Who would want to change and manipulate numbers. :thinking:
No need to guess it's "The Powers That Be" who'll benefit of this and/or help Biden's poll numbers from what I saw on that article. https://www.americanthinker.com/art..._like_that_masks_are_no_longer_necessary.html
May 18, 2021

And Just Like That, Masks Are No Longer Necessary​

By Brian C. Joondeph, M.D.

Forrest Gump, with his simple, commonsensical approach to life, often noted, “just like that” something changed. Whether it was the rain in Vietnam, his running adventure, or his Army service, “just like that” it was over.
Now after a year of mask-wearing, “just like that” it is no longer necessary per the CDC’s latest guidance. Last week the CDC suddenly reversed course with this new guidance.
If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume activities that you did prior to the pandemic.
Fully vaccinated people can resume activities without wearing a mask or physically distancing, except where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance.
If you haven’t been vaccinated yet, find a vaccine.
What changed? Only a few months ago, last February, Dr. Anthony Fauci warned that Americans may still need to wear face masks through 2022 to protect against the spread of COVID, emerging variants, and whatever else might escape from one of the labs he funded.
Around the same time, Dr. Fauci also recommended wearing two masks, “So if you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective.” If one is good, two must be better. Why not 3 or 4 masks? Or ten? Or a hazmat suit for everyone?

This is the same Dr. Fauci who said a year ago, at the beginning of the pandemic,
There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.
Fauci wasn’t alone. U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams at that same time agreed, stating:
You can increase your risk of getting it by wearing a mask if you are not a health care provider. Folks who don't know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of coronavirus.
We have now come full circle, from no masks, to one, to two, then back to one, now none. What changed? Has America reached herd immunity? Or is there some other metric that spurred the new CDC recommendation? Such as case numbers? Or President Biden’s poll numbers?
 
It's worth getting "hysterical" over the MMR vaccine when the side effects are verifiably extremely low compared to the alternative, which is measles, mumps, and rubella outbreaks i.e. diseases whose common side effects are birth defects, infertility, and fucking death. Antivaxxers are so hated and make for such easy targets because before their movement took off in the early 21st century, those three diseases were almost totally extinct in the developed world. The MMR vaccine (especially the modern one which doesn't even have mercury in it) is an example of a good, well-tested vaccine, the exact opposite of the garbage Chinavirus vaccines.
Let's remind ourselves that HCQ, a drug that's been in safe use longer than most of us on this board have been alive, also is listed with major side effects. My favorite is "uncontrolled twisting movements of the neck, trunk, arms, or legs." The last year should have been instructive in taking the claims of the medical establishment at face value though.

Merck itself has been stuck in litigation for years about their efficacy claims about their MMR vaccines (lol again that fucking 95% number). It's interesting how the shit-fit that Merck has found itself in over their MMR vaccine is so similar to skepticism of the COVID jabs. I mean, you certainly have no questions about the efficacy of those right? Because the main question of the MMR vaccine from Merck is whether or not it's even effective let alone at the "95% efficacy" that they claim.

Also for context here, Measles even before the vaccine rollouts in the 60s killed like 4 or 500 a year from the CDCs numbers. To compare, Flu regularly kills over 50k a year with about 45% of Americans getting the Flu shot every year (that's the 2018 - 19 number but it doesn't vary that much). Hell, even with most infants being vaccinated against the various Hepatitis' there are still thousands of deaths are year from that. When talking about the danger of measles, I would consider these things much like I would consider how dangerous COVID is. This is just to put in perspective Measles with two of the other widespread viruses that are regularly vaccinated against.

Fundamentally I do not think the pharmaceutical establishment is above lying about their efficacy numbers. I'm fine with vaccines that have been thoroughly tested and reviewed in an ongoing fashion to ensure these companies are not lying to us. At the same time however, these companies are soo incredibly massive financially and embedded into both media and government to a degree that they deserve extra scrutiny. What I'm trying to illustrate is why the MMR vaccine in particular has come under scrutiny in the last decade or so. Here's another lawsuit filed against Merck about their claims and the veracity of them.

For the record, my own child is currently on the standard vaccine track for infants. This isn't me screaming about vaccines creating lolcows.
 
J&J is a vector vaccine. The tech has been studied longer than mRNA but there's only been two approved for use, an ebola vaccine in 2019 and another in 2020 (made by J&J interestingly enough). Technically not a "traditional" vaccine, but close enough.
Well two's likely better than zero. Looks like it's time I did some reading. Thanks.
Didn't J&J peel a guy's skin off? I'm also thinking that it cause a lady's legs to get amputated or something, but it might have been another vaccine. You know, thinking about it, in both stories both people stressed that vaccines in general are safe for the majority of people. They really focus on that part, maybe they want people to be scared of the traditional vaccines so that people go for the MRNA shit? Just a thought that occurred to me just now.
I remember the incidents but don't remember which shot caused them. Regardless of which it was I'm going to assume they were extremely rare cases. I've heard about those once, I've heard about the blood clotting far more and that there were 6 or 7 cases (about one in a million if I remember right). So far as the mRNA goes, it's been pointed out a number of times in the thread but I forget exactly what it was, there's some caveat that so far as we know has not been sorted out in the time this technology has been studied. If they had actually addressed that I would be far less skeptical.
 
Question for people in regards to faking vaccine cards.

While they are easy to fake, have any companies found a work around for verifying which cards are real yet?

They can check lot #, but otherwise are they able to get info confirmed by the areas health departments?
While I can't say for sure how it works because I don't really know, considering how many of these vaccine distribution systems require you to make appointments online and hand over your info, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that that information goes into a database that gets updated when you get the shot. I dunno how it works elsewhere, but considering how in my state you can't sign up for a second appointment until you get an email that gets sent after your first shot, it sounds like the nurses are in fact making those updates properly.

However, I don't know if this would work the same way for distribution through pharmacies. I presume it's the same thing since they'd have to set up a second appointment there as well, and they wouldn't be able to call you back in if you didn't give your info.

So assuming those databases are out there, it would be possible to verify the authenticity of a vaccine card by looking up your info in the database. The question is, will that even be possible? I've seen all manner of talk going both ways about whether this information is protected by HIPAA, and I'm frankly not well enough versed in the law to say for sure.

But even assuming they wrangle some legal workaround, there's still gonna be backlash from people, both from those that either can't or don't want to get jabbed and are discriminated against, and from those that don't want to put up with having their info looked up everywhere they go (or the workers that don't want to deal with it either). Not to mention the major privacy concerns of having a gigantic database of personal info ripe for exploitation.

If you want an optimistic take, I don't think that vaccine passports are going to take off in general use, at least not in the US. Between various states already banning their use and a general desire from the public to just put this shit behind us already, the time and money involved to set them up and mandate their use everywhere would end up a gigantic waste. I mean, it's not like the feds aren't already wasting a lot of time and money on retarded boondoggles, but this one in particular I feel is just a pipe dream of the truly insane that never want the scamdemic to end, for fear of being utterly wrong about everything.
 
I hadn't even realized until my supervisor mentioned it but New York's Excelsior Pass has started. Good luck having it actually finding your info though, and have fun getting your booster every six months to keep it! I don't see this crap being used widely outside of NYC and I only expect it to fall further apart before being completely forgotten.
 
My problem with the vaccine is that nobody seems to be able to tell me why I personally should take it. I'm at practically zero risk from a harsh infection with long term effects. The vaccine is not sterilizing so I can still spread to others. So what's the reason for me to take it? I have to take it to be free, but frankly I find that to be a shit reason to take a medication where I just don't see a medical need for me to take it.
I'm not against vaccinations, but if the only reason I should take it is to get my basic personal freedom back, I'm afraid that doesn't really make me want to get it. In fact, it makes me quite sceptical.
 
Governments were quick to rush people in to furlough, free money and lockdowns, yet they're doing/have done diddly shit to get people back to work again.

Imagine sitting at home comfortably for six months then going back to work? With all the will in the world, it's going to take people time to get back in to the swing of things.

Although the biggest laugh is going to be July/August time when the usual summer-breaks happen (6 weeks holiday for schools in the UK) and when the majority of people go abroad/on holiday.

Try telling the people who have suffered through this shit, jumped through every hoop imaginable to keep a greedy arsed company in business, that they can't have their summer holiday (again) this year because they're too short staffed.

Sick rates will go through the roof and everyone has a golden ticket: "im isolating, i have the coof".


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As for not getting vaxxed, whenever any one asks me if i'm getting vaxxed i say: "No, i don't believe it's right that I have a vax when i'm not at risk, yet poor, starving, third-world brown people are dying in their thousands. I'm donating my vax to charity"
 
Question for people in regards to faking vaccine cards.

While they are easy to fake, have any companies found a work around for verifying which cards are real yet?

They can check lot #, but otherwise are they able to get info confirmed by the areas health departments?
I've been thinking about that too. From what I know with the hasty push to get people jabbed, I can't imagine a proper IT team put together a centralized database that connects all the various locations that administer the jab without error. I'd imagine a lot of records are still on paper yet to be recorded properly in a centralized location that would make an attribute based lookup (name, lot #, drug manufacturer, date, etc) feasible for any kind of vaccine card/passport. But that's just spitballin as I don't know.

I bet more cucked places like Ireland and Canada have a system but big doubts for the USA.
 
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I've been thinking about that too. From what I know with the hasty push to get people jabbed, I can't imagine a proper IT team put together a centralized database that connects all the various locations that administer the jab without error. I'd imagine a lot of records are still on paper yet to be recorded properly in a centralized location that would make an attribute based lookup (name, lot #, drug manufacturer, date, etc) feasible for any kind of vaccine card/passport. But that's just spitballin as I don't know.

I bet more cucked places like Ireland and Canada have a system but big doubts for the USA.
I also expect that those countries would be forced to drop it eventually if they required it for tourists. Why take a trip to a country that would force you into quarantine (eating up your vacation time) if you can't prove you were jabbed when there are plenty of other locales that wouldn't bother? If the tourism industries ended up taking a hit in comparison to freer nations, I imagine it wouldn't take long before they killed it off.

Although apparently none of this matters, since according to the rat fuck Fauci, "we don't have any way of knowing who is vaccinated:"

Really? Did you just up and delete the info after getting it? Is there not actually a database of vaccination records? Or are you lying through your teeth again so you can have it both ways, keeping masks around forever while also implementing these privacy-eroding "passports?"

I swear, I try my damnedest not to hate people, but Fauci is a rare exception for me. Fuck this rat bastard and all the lives he's ruined because he just can't admit he was wrong (and may very well have been complicit).
 
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