The Tomboy Question(s)

One of my old gf's was a traditional 'tom boy' because she liked to work on/modify cars and would rather wild camp than stay in a pampered hotel. But, she dressed and looked like a normal woman (feminine it used to be called before the perverts and gays took the word).
This is exactly one of the points I was making just said differently. As society progresses and woman are accepted in more fields. These "masculine exclusive" activities are becoming less abundant. Therefore a woman can participate in said activities without being a tomboy and retain her feminity much like your gf did.

I do agree that nobody actually has an accepted definition of the tomboy. It doesn't really matter to me in any case, I just really like short hair, not that much a fan of /fit/ girls.
It matters to me not because of autism reasons. Its the internet I don't get mad over things posted on the internet. The reason it matters is why even have a discussion in the first place? If 2 people are arguing about "one" thing but have different definitions of that one thing. Then the waters get muddied and the argument will never end. Because they can't come to an agreement of what they are even arguing about in the first place.
 
Women with masculine outlooks who are "one of the guys/not like the other girls" tend to be unbalanced in some way. It's a red flag for me - anecdotally, every "adult tomboy" (btw, doesn't that sound unnatural?) I knew cheated on her bf. Avoid the tomboid and seek out feminine women instead.
 
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Tomboys are relatively uncomplicated compared to other women. They already like some of what you like, they do not expect you to do everything for them. They may wear base level makeup and decent clothes, but are not high maintenance. Not like other girls thing is absolute catfishing bullshit. I can gladly back up my shit, but most other basic bitches that claim this, lmao.
 
The Tomboy is an expression of healthy romance that has been largely removed from our society: The childhood friend who you one day marry. The girl you knew when you were kids, before puberty hit, before she became feminine. The girl you used to wrestle with in the park, who you watched flower into womanhood in adolescence, and who you one day married. Unfortunately modern human society has many adolescent life-disruptions that make lifelong friendships and romances like that very difficult. You finish elementary school and go to middleschool, leaving behind all your old friends and finding new ones. Then you do that again in highschool, again in college, and again when you settle down somewhere far from your home town. Very few people lay down multigenerational roots and stay in the same place with the same people their whole lives anymore. From prehistory to the late modern period a person was unlikely to move more than 100 miles from where they were born. Now a person is extremely unlikely to live in the same place for more than 10 years, constantly moving for school and job opportunities. Our social ties become transient and ephemeral, and something in our hearts knows this is wrong. We yearn for the girl next door who we haven't spoken to in 20 years and will never speak to again.
 
Women with masculine outlooks who are "one of the guys/not like the other girls" tend to be unbalanced in some way. It's a red flag for me - anecdotally, every "adult tomboy" (btw, doesn't that sound unnatural?) I knew cheated on her bf. Avoid the tomboid and seek out feminine women instead.
Says you. It was the girly girls I dated who were insane in the membrane. The tomboy I did hook up with turned out to be Mrs. Right, and we've been married 15+ years now.
 
The Tomboy is an expression of healthy romance that has been largely removed from our society: The childhood friend who you one day marry. The girl you knew when you were kids, before puberty hit, before she became feminine. The girl you used to wrestle with in the park, who you watched flower into womanhood in adolescence, and who you one day married. Unfortunately modern human society has many adolescent life-disruptions that make lifelong friendships and romances like that very difficult. You finish elementary school and go to middleschool, leaving behind all your old friends and finding new ones. Then you do that again in highschool, again in college, and again when you settle down somewhere far from your home town. Very few people lay down multigenerational roots and stay in the same place with the same people their whole lives anymore. From prehistory to the late modern period a person was unlikely to move more than 100 miles from where they were born. Now a person is extremely unlikely to live in the same place for more than 10 years, constantly moving for school and job opportunities. Our social ties become transient and ephemeral, and something in our hearts knows this is wrong. We yearn for the girl next door who we haven't spoken to in 20 years and will never speak to again.
That was so moving I bet you got that off the back of a candy wrapper.

 
Tomboys tend to simply come across as ironically more feminine. The average girl you see advertised (not necessarily the actual average mind you) tends to be done up and stuck up. They expect you to take care of them like a cat and are obsessed with being different while porking a dozen guys at a time. It's not actually as common as it seems but with social media it's all you see and the familiarity kills the idealization you need to build a romantic connection. Tomboys on the other hand are genuinely rare, proactive in romance and don't demand of your masculinity. In fact, they revel in sensitivity and dreaminess in men just as men enjoy their straightforwardness and strength.
TL:DR: Tomboys tend to be sweet and lowkey in an era where everyone is being loud and moody.
 
From what I learned watching old sitcoms, tomboys are good for bantering with and they'll fix your car if it messes up, and on the off chance there's any actual romance happening she'll put on the frilliest dress available and wear her hair down. When everyone makes fun of the couple and they break up, the tomboy goes back to cars and bantering as if nothing happened. On the off chance a tomboy gets married, the frills and lace and long hair reappear and are permanent. Does this make her a trap of sorts? No idea.

Old sitcoms are the best learning materials.
 
Dudes have liked tomboys for far longer than the internet. It's normal for dudes to be attracted to chicks they can more easily relate to. The reason you're seeing more interest in tomboys now than what you did before has a lot less to do with tomboys themselves, and more to do with the fact that normie western chicks are normally either extremely slutty, dumb as fuck, vapid, SJWs, or just have horrible personalities and no social skills. Tomboys don't tend to be like this because they have a tendency to prefer socializing with men. You pick up a lot more personality traits from the circles you run in than what you think.
 
Let me tell you a story from my childhood.
Mid-eighties. I'm in highschool. The boys and I pass recess and shit by racing each other down the track. One day, this gorgeous blonde with a pixie cut walks up to us and wants to race up the track. We let her, most of us take it easy on her so she can have fun. This girl was funny, sexy, and very direct. Had never met any girl like her before. It was then that I knew I had a thing for tomboys.

Tomboys are a type. Distinctly feminine and girly but interested in the hobbies and hanging out in male dominated fields. That's what the attraction to the Tomboy is. Usually no shitty make-up, athletic body, and a very open and direct personality that contrasts the usual and tedious endless beating around the bush shit that women tend to do when they can't make up their minds on something. I don't think they're like this because they "think like boys" but because they're trying to fit in with men and have to adjust to a masculine mindset. Might have changed since my day, but it's just like guys who are into goth chicks. They offer something different enough from Tiffany that they're alluring.
 
The Tomboy is an expression of healthy romance that has been largely removed from our society: The childhood friend who you one day marry. The girl you knew when you were kids, before puberty hit, before she became feminine. The girl you used to wrestle with in the park, who you watched flower into womanhood in adolescence, and who you one day married.
I'll add to this point using clips from one of the few "chick-flicks" I genuinely enjoy, Miss Congeniality:


There's a comfortable innocence to the idea of dating a tomboy. There's playful ribbing and schoolyard tier bants and you can say things to her that you would never say to any other girl in your class. It's a simple idea of a simple romance where one day you realize that it isn't gay to love your best friend because you just realized your best friend is a girl.

In short: it's cute and endearing and people like cute things OP :)
 
This is exactly one of the points I was making just said differently. As society progresses and woman are accepted in more fields. These "masculine exclusive" activities are becoming less abundant.
Absent coercion, there's always going to be male and female-dominated fields, because men and women are more inclined to different things.
Just say you like uncomplicated women, lmao.
I was going to type a screed about how women being "complicated" is a myth meant to cover for the fact that we don't teach women accountability or how to properly appraise/express their actual desires, but I'm interested in what you have to say about it first-- if you have anything to say on the matter, that is.

I liked tomboys until I started dating them and realized that not a single one of them could clean.
That's not a tomboy problem, that's a post-1993 woman problem.
 
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As a tomboy I kinda wonder what the fetishists would think of an actual tomboy like me, who has no desire to fuck some random dude from the chans or pop out babies ever.

But yeah being a tomboy, especially after puberty can be a lot more difficult than people realize even before the troon craze. Unless you've personally experienced it I don't think people realize just how much pressure masculine girls and women are under to conform to gender stereotypes. Especially autistic ones.
The Tomboy is an expression of healthy romance that has been largely removed from our society: The childhood friend who you one day marry. The girl you knew when you were kids, before puberty hit, before she became feminine. The girl you used to wrestle with in the park, who you watched flower into womanhood in adolescence, and who you one day married. Unfortunately modern human society has many adolescent life-disruptions that make lifelong friendships and romances like that very difficult. You finish elementary school and go to middleschool, leaving behind all your old friends and finding new ones. Then you do that again in highschool, again in college, and again when you settle down somewhere far from your home town. Very few people lay down multigenerational roots and stay in the same place with the same people their whole lives anymore. From prehistory to the late modern period a person was unlikely to move more than 100 miles from where they were born. Now a person is extremely unlikely to live in the same place for more than 10 years, constantly moving for school and job opportunities. Our social ties become transient and ephemeral, and something in our hearts knows this is wrong. We yearn for the girl next door who we haven't spoken to in 20 years and will never speak to again.
Except those girls next door are people who likely will never be interested in a romantic relationship with you. Is it really tomboys you like, or your fantasy ideal of them?

I think anyone who fancies themself a tomboy appreciator needs to ask themself the question of whether they still appreciate tomboys who have no interest in them or who continue to be masculine into adulthood. Or nerdier tomboys that aren't into sports but are more interested in anime or outdoorsy shit. Tomboys that aren't a fantasy ideal.
 
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Tom boys are exclusively children and people who appreciate them are exclusively pedophiles.
I mean I am a womanchild on the psychological level of a disgusting edgy 10 year old boy, but physically I'm an adult and have been for a while.

Just because most tomboys get pressured into giving it up around puberty doesn't mean we all do, some of us stay tomboys our whole lives.
 
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