The rich send their kids to private schools that don't use technology (Personal Computers)

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Bill Gates and Steve Jobs raised their kids with limited tech — and it should have been a red flag about our own smartphone use​

It should be telling, Clement and Miles argue, that the two biggest tech figures in recent history — Bill Gates and Steve Jobs — seldom let their kids play with the very products they helped create.
"What is it these wealthy tech executives know about their own products that their consumers don't?" the authors wrote.

The Smartest People in the Room? What Silicon Valley’s Supposed Obsession with Tech-Free Private Schools Really Tells Us​

A 2017 article in the Independent discussed the technology-free childhoods of Bill Gates’s and Steve Jobs’s kids. Haplessly conflating correlation and causation, it linked teens’ technology use to depression and suicide and smugly concluded, “wealthy Silicon Valley parents seem to grasp the addictive powers of smartphones, tablets, and computers more than the general public does.”

I don't have too much details on this, it seems obvious that they'd do stuff like this. What else to use your money for?
There's been plenty of studies done on students being able to retain information better when using pen and paper;

Pen and paper 'beats computers for retaining knowledge'​

Survey of students across 10 countries suggests handwriting and printed books have advantages over digital materials

Having computers for every student just leads them to distraction when they have endless stimulation at their fingertips.
Computers make you stupider, you don't have to remember things you can just Google for the information.
It's the same thing as not letting you use calculators in a simple math class.

"fried dopamine receptors for thee but not for me"
 
Computers for classroom are memes and just a way for corrupt officials to make a deal on shitty computers scalping the taxpayer while claiming they are of use to children for the votes.
It's worse when they let them take them home because inevitably one of two things will happen:

1) The computer will get lost, damaged, or destroyed (through either incompetence or trying to sell it for drug money)
2) You give school districts the ability to spy on students 24/7 cart blanche. The case ten years ago only settled the issue that they were done without their consent, and the school district skirted by with no laws broken and a settlement under a million dollars. (The only thing that has changed since is a disclaimer, and nobody reads those EULA things).
 
What I have noticed the more smart boards, tablet computers etc. the schools get, the less they actually get efficient work done.
Also as usual it is fun to see the elites preaching the masses one thing, then doing something else. It gives the game away somewhat.

This is the part where I will say that new kids are actually very tech illiterate, the boomer meme is false.
By that logic all boomers are TV repairman because all they did was watch TV.
 
This is the part where I will say that new kids are actually very tech illiterate, the boomer meme is false.

This. This. This. I'm in a few gaming Discords that have a large population of kids, and they're all morons. I've had to repeatedly explain the concept of .exe files and in one or two cases what the start menu does. Trying to get them to install mods is an exercise in self-inflicted insanity.
 
The worst aspect of digitalization is that retaining knowledge isn't as necessary as it used to be. The best aspects are that you always have a library with you and quite decent amount of computational power to solve problems. Learning to properly utilize this power should be the highest priority, but schooling focuses on bringing the traditional stuff to digital age instead of fully embracing it. The focus should be on processing and applying information instead of just trying to retain it.
 
Computers are a far better resource than any library is for finding information efficiently. No, I do not care about how much better you think the subjective experience of opening a book is to combing through PDFs. For actual academic purposes a computer with database access will always beat a physical library in both the amount of information available as well as the time required to find the information. Retaining knowledge is not always the goal for learning, especially in a university environment like what the study details. It's equally important to know how to quickly and efficiently access information that's not worth retaining. Eschewing digital resources because they don't align with your tradfag worldview is robbing students of a valuable resource. The old retort of "what are you going to do if you don't have a calculator with you?" doesn't even work anymore because the reality of our world today is that there's not many scenarios where you won't have a calculator with you, unless you fancy solving math problems while swimming. The problem lies in how students are taught to use the resources you give them.

One of my personal experiences with this is with drafting. I learned drafting by hand before I learned CAD and what it taught me is why I like CAD. Anyone who really thinks hand drafting has advantages over CAD is out of their mind and destined for art school. And that's how computers should be handled as an educational resource: teach students why computers are a useful resource. Damning them to a life of obsolescence because you can't be bothered to teach them is a horrible solution to the problem of poor utilization of technology.
 
Computers are a far better resource than any library is for finding information efficiently. No, I do not care about how much better you think the subjective experience of opening a book is to combing through PDFs. For actual academic purposes a computer with database access will always beat a physical library in both the amount of information available as well as the time required to find the information. Retaining knowledge is not always the goal for learning, especially in a university environment like what the study details. It's equally important to know how to quickly and efficiently access information that's not worth retaining. Eschewing digital resources because they don't align with your tradfag worldview is robbing students of a valuable resource. The old retort of "what are you going to do if you don't have a calculator with you?" doesn't even work anymore because the reality of our world today is that there's not many scenarios where you won't have a calculator with you, unless you fancy solving math problems while swimming. The problem lies in how students are taught to use the resources you give them.

One of my personal experiences with this is with drafting. I learned drafting by hand before I learned CAD and what it taught me is why I like CAD. Anyone who really thinks hand drafting has advantages over CAD is out of their mind and destined for art school. And that's how computers should be handled as an educational resource: teach students why computers are a useful resource. Damning them to a life of obsolescence because you can't be bothered to teach them is a horrible solution to the problem of poor utilization of technology.
You are just major coping and seething here because you are a soybug that has never not been connected and couldn't fathom being without a device for a day. This is about the development of young brains, and forcing technology onto everyone when humans are not meant to learn that way, simple as. It's about society taking cuts out on the future and providing even worse education than before. I'm not ragging on you for using a specialized software to do your job. I'm typing on a laptop right now you know.

Five major advantages of manual drafting:
  1. Work Done is Original: In the past, drafters sat at drawing boards and used pencils, pens, compasses, protractors, triangles, and other drafting devices to prepare a drawing by hand. When doing manual drafting, most of the drafting work is done by technical people like the architect / engineer / diploma holders making their work to be genuine. The ability to bring creative style and expression to drawings is higher in manual drafting.
  2. Low Cost of Drawing Equipment: In manual drafting, all you need is a drafting table or a drawing board, pencil/eraser, a straightedge, a t-square, triangles, French curves, a mini-drafter, and a compass. A drawing board, mini-drafter and pencils/eraser are much cheaper than a CAD package.
  3. No high-tech and Cutting Edge Technology Required: Like in the CAD system, you do not need state of the art technology, systems engineer(s), IT engineer and expensive air conditions and AC technicians to maintain a pencil and paper. Whereas you have to have systems engineers, IT Engineers and AC technicians to keep the CAD system running.
  4. No Training Required: Apart from the training that we get when we study, there is no need for the designers to be taught the CAD package being used. The Architects and Engineers would draw their sketches and later developed by assistants who are diploma holders or architectural and engineering draughtsmen in their respective trades. Even in the modern days Engineering, Architectural and Design majors are taught manual drafting techniques alongside digital software at most colleges.
  5. No Yearly Subscriptions: Unlike the CAD systems, there are no software update costs or operator training. With the CAD systems, you would need yearly subscriptions for the CAD software, operating systems and other supporting software applications. Sometimes with yearly updates, the CAD operators would need additional training on the updated CAD software.
However, those are some major positives, especially #1. Not letting the computer do the heavy lifting for you.
"It's not fast or efficient enough!!!" you are not an artist, you do not possess a soul, you do not care about your craft.
 
Computers are a far better resource than any library is for finding information efficiently. No, I do not care about how much better you think the subjective experience of opening a book is to combing through PDFs. For actual academic purposes a computer with database access will always beat a physical library in both the amount of information available as well as the time required to find the information. Retaining knowledge is not always the goal for learning, especially in a university environment like what the study details. It's equally important to know how to quickly and efficiently access information that's not worth retaining. Eschewing digital resources because they don't align with your tradfag worldview is robbing students of a valuable resource. The old retort of "what are you going to do if you don't have a calculator with you?" doesn't even work anymore because the reality of our world today is that there's not many scenarios where you won't have a calculator with you, unless you fancy solving math problems while swimming. The problem lies in how students are taught to use the resources you give them.

One of my personal experiences with this is with drafting. I learned drafting by hand before I learned CAD and what it taught me is why I like CAD. Anyone who really thinks hand drafting has advantages over CAD is out of their mind and destined for art school. And that's how computers should be handled as an educational resource: teach students why computers are a useful resource. Damning them to a life of obsolescence because you can't be bothered to teach them is a horrible solution to the problem of poor utilization of technology.
Sometimes learning how to do things by hand before deploying it into computers has its benefit at muscle memory. Same reason why writing things down are better for learning then typing it all out on a computer.

I learned most of my programming skills from writing out programs on paper, identifying problems from textbooks and other examples, and then deploying it into an editor. If I learned from an editor, the syntax highlighting and code completion would remove my ability and need to actually learn what's going on.

This. This. This. I'm in a few gaming Discords that have a large population of kids, and they're all morons. I've had to repeatedly explain the concept of .exe files and in one or two cases what the start menu does. Trying to get them to install mods is an exercise in self-inflicted insanity.
100%. It feels like pulling teeth having them use the command line and use pip to install libraries for mods. Like holy fuck cunt their IQ is < 60.

The worst aspect of digitalization is that retaining knowledge isn't as necessary as it used to be. The best aspects are that you always have a library with you and quite decent amount of computational power to solve problems. Learning to properly utilize this power should be the highest priority, but schooling focuses on bringing the traditional stuff to digital age instead of fully embracing it. The focus should be on processing and applying information instead of just trying to retain it.
In order to process and apply information you have to retain it. My university still holds a lot of maths examinations without calculators, as they believe that using calculators isn't actually learning and I've found it extremely beneficial. One of my lecturers summarised it beautifully, in saying, "A programmer is a one man army. You shouldn't be reliant on the editors and online information repositories for your execution. You should have all your knowledge within your head so you understand exactly what's occurring". One of the best quotes I think I've ever written down in my time at university.
 
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You are just major coping and seething here because you are a soybug that has never not been connected and couldn't fathom being without a device for a day. This is about the development of young brains, and forcing technology onto everyone when humans are not meant to learn that way, simple as. It's about society taking cuts out on the future and providing even worse education than before. I'm not ragging on you for using a specialized software to do your job. I'm typing on a laptop right now you know.


However, those are some major positives, especially #1. Not letting the computer do the heavy lifting for you.
"It's not fast or efficient enough!!!" you are not an artist, you do not possess a soul, you do not care about your craft.
Most of these aren't even true. #2 is only true if your time has no value to you. 3 and 4 are also simply untrue. 5 is the biggest problem, but that's more of an issue with the general direction the tech industry has been headed because until recently these softwares did not require subscriptions. The first one is the most non-reason of them all. Yeah, hand drafting requires measuring angles with a protractor instead of putting a number in. What's your point? You calling me empty soulless automaton rings hollow when the only argument you can come up with is that I'm "coping" and a "soybug." Learn to talk like a human instead of parroting meaningless drivel like that.

Oh and also you're that tard who got angry about the PMs because you don't understand how they work and made a big "Look everyone, I can code!" post and you still don't understand what you did wrong there. Haha, that's how I know I'm better than you. Call me cope seethe soy dilate some more, lemme have it.
 
Point is, you missed the point.
Children develop better in environments with less technology.
Children learn better working with their hands.
Knowledge is better retained when you are writing it down and not typing it.
Technology ruins children's dopamine receptors.
The elite who inundate us with technology, most likely have none in their own homes.
Etc, etc.
Again, I don't give a fuck that you play with CAD software. Stop thinking only about yourself you pathetic weeb hedonist.
 
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