The rich send their kids to private schools that don't use technology (Personal Computers)

[Agent Abe Caprine]

This is the part where I will say that new kids are actually very tech illiterate, the boomer meme is false.
By that logic all boomers are TV repairman

I have zoomer relatives that can't even figure out how to resize pictures. It's like getting behind a keyboard makes some people nearly illiterate.

 

[Just A Butt]

This is pretty old news, honestly. I swear I read this same article ten years ago.

not quite as old as all that, but the newest article he posted was mid-2020. And he even snagged one from 2017.

 

[L50LasPak]

not quite as old as all that, but the newest article he posted was mid-2020. And he even snagged one from 2017.

It wasn't exactly the same, but I recall in class having a teacher hand out copies of a news article regaridng how the Gates kids weren't given cell phones until a certain age, and were not allowed to have keypad phones like Blackberries (you can see this was quite some time ago). It sticks in my mind because the teachers had the exact same attitude of "this is a big red flag *mysterious jazz hands*" that I'm noticing in this thread.

Yes, its not precisely the same article, but I think the difference is trivial.

 

[Bad Gateway]

too much details

I don't have too much details

 

[Darksy DePhil]

The worst aspect of digitalization is that retaining knowledge isn't as necessary as it used to be. The best aspects are that you always have a library with you and quite decent amount of computational power to solve problems. Learning to properly utilize this power should be the highest priority, but schooling focuses on bringing the traditional stuff to digital age instead of fully embracing it. The focus should be on processing and applying information instead of just trying to retain it.I

I really thought Online Classes after lockdown would be something like being assigned homework, researching and doing it under a deadline, and then e-mailing it back. Instead it seems like the worst of both worlds: having to log in at a certain time, having you turn a webcam + mic, even assuming you have a webcam + mic in the first place and really want to show your home to everyone. But i heard in some Unis it works a bit like the earlier concept

 

[seri0us]

Don't get high off of your own supply.

 

[DumbDude42]

I have zoomer relatives that can't even figure out how to resize pictures. It's like getting behind a keyboard makes some people nearly illiterate.

it's the result of growing up with smartphones as the primary tech device instead of computers.
smartphones are designed around the absolute lowest common denominator. they're made so literal 60IQ retards can use them effortlessly, touchscreen controls and evertyhing being visual helps a lot with that. as a result, they are braindead easy and provide absolutely no challenge and very little opportunity or reason to explore.

 

[Coolio55]

it's the result of growing up with smartphones as the primary tech device instead of computers.
smartphones are designed around the absolute lowest common denominator. they're made so literal 60IQ retards can use them effortlessly, touchscreen controls and evertyhing being visual helps a lot with that. as a result, they are braindead easy and provide absolutely no challenge and very little opportunity or reason to explore.

Smartphones are intentionally designed to keep you as a consumer.
This is why all PCs are heading this way.

 

[Gimmick Account]

This is what makes me mad every time a Chrome update removes some useful browser feature to make the desktop experience closer to phones and then every other browser follows suit. The worst thing? I can't remember a single example, just getting mad multiple times over the last decade or so. They'll keep taking these tiny slices out of our brains gradually until we're all zoomsumers.

 

[Erika Furudo]

another retard take
this "i dont need to learn anything i can just look it up on demand lol" approach completely falls apart when you start trying to get into advanced topics that build on those fundamentals you eschewed.
like, good fucking luck trying to learn about advanced organic chemistry reactions when you never even bothered what protons/electrons/neutrons are, have no idea what an orbital is, and your only concept of an acid is "tastes sour lol"

The Krebs cycle and metabolism in general can be replaced with a poster on a wall. Some things they teach can 100% be substituted for something else. Obviously you can't apply this to everything, but there are lots of areas that you will probably forget anyway just due to how rarely that thing can be applied.
The best education system would be an apprenticeship/work based learning scenario where people can get educated on theory while applying it, thus reinforcing things and ensuring they learn the relevant things instead of having gaps or learning shit they will never use.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It's a strange delusion humanity seems prone to--this idea that advancements in technology are automatically tracked by simultaneous advancements in overall human intelligence

Looks like all the corrupt elite really want "little people" to know is how to work to consume product.

 

[Gimmick Account]

The Krebs cycle and metabolism in general can be replaced with a poster on a wall. Some things they teach can 100% be substituted for something else. Obviously you can't apply this to everything, but there are lots of areas that you will probably forget anyway just due to how rarely that thing can be applied.
The best education system would be an apprenticeship/work based learning scenario where people can get educated on theory while applying it, thus reinforcing things and ensuring they learn the relevant things instead of having gaps or learning shit they will never use.

Yeah I don't think anything has fundamentally changed besides convenience and exposing how lazy and shitty educators can be.
You've always needed structural knowledge to make use of resources, and at a certain point you offload things instead of keeping them in your head. I'm sure anyone reading this who was an expert in something before the internet got useful for stuff besides Star Trek debates remembers things you'd only use once a year and then just forget again. Arguably now the accessibility of information has just moved the weighting so you can devote more brain meat to broader fundamental understanding of more subjects, but that's a continual process of organising and condensing analogous logic which is probably more efficient through convenience now too.
People are adaptable and self-optimising in their work when they have the freedom to be so, so it's dumb to want to ignore or roll back tools available in our environment. Plus it ain't gonna stop changing around us so retreating like a luddite means your field is gonna move on to the next set of tools you now might not have a bridge to.

But there is value in boredom and spending time in environments without distractions though (and I think the reason rich kids are sent to these schools might actually be for social development while plebes are being conditioned into autistic focusless morlocks with no irl social networks) as well as having to work through problems slowly and methodically yourself. But I think that last bit would be better achieved by giving kids unique challenges they can apply or synthesise understanding through, rather than pretending it's 200 years ago and taking their calculators away which is all I remember from school.

 

[Flabba Wabba Jabba]

Retention is fucking retarded. There is no way in hell you're going to be in some job where all the details matter and they won't consult the literature. "Sorry Dave, but we can't let you use the database, you need to remember all the specifications of this material before putting it into our expensive prototype".

Schools methods are outdated, everyone now has an item in their pocket that is both a calculator and something with access to any web resources on the interent.

This is the exact mentality that got us into this situation in the first place.

 

[Pissmaster]

Computers make you stupider, you don't have to remember things you can just Google for the information.
It's the same thing as not letting you use calculators in a simple math class.

"fried dopamine receptors for thee but not for me"

Well, shit, their tagline was right all along.

This is the exact mentality that got us into this situation in the first place.

I gave that post a winner because he's right about the focus on teaching a ton of disconnected minutiae, instead of how things actually work, which I've personally run into more times than I can count. That method of teaching just gets you people who are very good at arbitrary rote memorization, but will become helpless when shit falls apart.

 

[Flabba Wabba Jabba]

Looks like all the corrupt elite really want "little people" to know is how to work to consume product.

This holy fuck. If you teach people not to value the understanding or the principles of the things they're using, but merely how to interact and how to use it, then a large percentage of people won't go beyond that.

 

[northstar747]

I really thought Online Classes after lockdown would be something like being assigned homework, researching and doing it under a deadline, and then e-mailing it back. Instead it seems like the worst of both worlds: having to log in at a certain time, having you turn a webcam + mic, even assuming you have a webcam + mic in the first place and really want to show your home to everyone. But i heard in some Unis it works a bit like the earlier concept

Okay so the reason for this is simple the teachers want to get paid and the powers that be decided online means doing it that way vs recording a YouTube video assigning work and then doing 20 minutes a day of one on one with the teacher and student.

As for tech I took a library science class 20 years ago. 3 years ago a lady I know when back to school I showed her how to get academic articles and a few other tricks for making an essay. Her final essay project bumped up her whole grade.

The issue with tech is that young people done know how to handle being bored.

 

[419]

Trying to get them to install mods is an exercise in self-inflicted insanity.

100%. It feels like pulling teeth having them use the command line and use pip to install libraries for mods. Like holy fuck cunt their IQ is < 60.

Remember when the Minecraft modding scene didn't even have/adopt Forge yet and still had to know how to work with an archiver program to move files from one .jar to another, or know about the META-INF folder and the concept of that digital signature having to be removed for you to modify the game in the first place? Looking back, it was quite nice to just know how to do that shit every now and then and if you're not a complete subhuman retard you'd probably generally still be using those techniques for something else to do with working a computer.

Fast forward to now and you might say we have it too easy with drag-and-drop loaders with their own installers, or for other games things like Steam Workshop. That is, until you learn that somehow people still don't fucking know how to use even THOSE. You really have to wonder at that point how and why the fuck we let things get this bad.

 

[Flabba Wabba Jabba]

Remember when the Minecraft modding scene didn't even have/adopt Forge yet and still had to know how to work with an archiver program to move files from one .jar to another, or know about the META-INF folder and the concept of that digital signature having to be removed for you to modify the game in the first place? Looking back, it was quite nice to just know how to do that shit every now and then and if you're not a complete subhuman retard you'd probably generally still be using those techniques for something else to do with working a computer.

Fast forward to now and you might say we have it too easy with drag-and-drop loaders with their own installers, or for other games things like Steam Workshop. That is, until you learn that somehow people still don't fucking know how to use even THOSE. You really have to wonder at that point how and why the fuck we let things get this bad.

You see I'm torn with this. One one hand it's great that things get easier to use as the platform gets more adopted, but the gatekeeper in me wants to keep it difficult because that's how it was when I used it.

Because one side means more people are developing software for these applications, but then it makes it easier and people get dumber at how it was before. Still why I actually research things like for Vortex in its automatic load order so that I still understand exactly how it works.

It's also a main reason why so many people don't adopt any other Linux distro except for Ubuntu because most of it isn't a plug and play.

 

[Gimmick Account]

This holy fuck. If you teach people not to value the understanding or the principles of the things they're using, but merely how to interact and how to use it, then a large percentage of people won't go beyond that.

We aren't just not teaching, they're actively denying kids entry points. In retrospect it was probably invaluable to a generation that you had to type "win" at a dos prompt once. Now they burn out fuses in hardware to stop you even thinking about exerting control over a device you fucking own.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

We aren't just not teaching, they're actively denying kids entry points. In retrospect it was probably invaluable to a generation that you had to type "win" at a dos prompt once. Now they burn out fuses in hardware to stop you even thinking about exerting control over a device you fucking own.

In their eyes, you don't own that device.