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I still dont get the autisme about the forward assist.
just leave it on and save some money ffs.
Simply put, it's a bunch of fuddlore cocksucking that's existed since the thing's inception. Karl then fed said fuddlore to the viewers of a podcast that he was on with Ian. (I think this was the same period where people were photoshopping his face onto Leon kennedy with that doofus ass haircut of his)
He then pulls out a random email he got where a dude in Afghanistan set his FA up against a wall by accident while fire and "blew the gun up."
Taking it completely as truth. He also proclaimed that Eugene Stoner had a massive shitfit with the Army as they "forced" him to design a forward assist, in reality. He merely said he wouldn't recommend it, and suggested a charging handle style design. And that's all he did.

But I mean... It's not like the military already tested to see if the forward assist was useful.
 
I just realize you have to send Russell a message if you plan on SBRing your WWSD lower.

It's so they can handpick and test your lower before you pay the ATF $200 and get stuck with a lemon?
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I just realize you have to send Russell a message if you plan on SBRing your WWSD lower.

It's so they can handpick and test your lower before you pay the ATF $200 and get stuck with a lemon?
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lmao this just incentivizes people to say they're going to SBR it so they can get the handpicked samples.
 
I just realize you have to send Russell a message if you plan on SBRing your WWSD lower.

It's so they can handpick and test your lower before you pay the ATF $200 and get stuck with a lemon?
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I know he's trying to outpace his customers when it comes to service and troubleshooting, but this sort of disclaimer is questionable at best and disconcerting at worst.
Put out videos of you magdumping .458 SOCOM into the dirt until parts breakage, it's one of the few rounds always available even during this shortage, for one. You have cameras, put it on display. The "I wouldn't do that" excuse is poor when it comes to the consumer - they will do exactly what you tell them not to.
Telling people to contact you in the case of manufacturing an NFA item using their lower is concerning. They've tested it with automatic fire, that was basically an advertisement. How would a production example fare differently?
 
Telling people to contact you in the case of manufacturing an NFA item using their lower is concerning. They've tested it with automatic fire, that was basically an advertisement. How would a production example fare differently?
It probably wouldn't. Karl & Russ are just letting big daddy know where to look in the future when they want to do a "buy back", yet those potential SBRs don't resurface. My theory now is that Russ is actually the fed, and Karl is just his snitch.
 
But in any case, he made that rifle look fun. Woe betide all who clicked 'buy' based on that alone.
Lightweight ARs are appealing, but there's obviously better ways to about it than buying a WWSD.

I've seen plenty of people make good and workable builds with CAV Arms / GWACS lowers, and handled and used one myself, so even if there exist shit ones out there, and the KE Arms one is awful, I'll still stand by the concept of a monolithic plastic lower, the idea works, it just needs to be refined further. I'd be willing to bet that a usable monolithic plastic upper could be made, even if it may require a proprietary barrel extension or something.
 
Doesn't need to be a military infantry rifle to be a viable product, if you can make an inexpensive AR15 with a plastic outer body that would be an ok gun for someone who doesn't have a lot of money, but needs to defend their property, livelihood, family, etc.

The G36 is good proof that it'll work well enough, even though I think a traditional AR15 with an aluminum receiver is best. I figure also that one can limit the impact of UV rays by giving the rifle a coat of paint or two, H&K have already played around with using tan colors for G36 rifles to make them heat up less from sunlight.
 
The ultimate problem with polymer rifle receivers is that the sun will eventually degrade them. It's less apparent with pistols because they're almost always holstered.
not necessarily, depends on the composition of the receiver. most are thermoset plastics with GFR and stabilizers, often with acrylic protective finish. some cheaper blends, or ones that have a specific manufacturing process can be different of course, but "polymer degrades in UV" isn't a hard truth.
G36 is good proof that it'll work well enough
WWSD is 30% GFR nylon blend. the G36 receiver is 50% and uses a special zytel-like composite explicitly developed for H&K. other parts like the handguard are around 35% GFR and are a more typical nylon blend with the exception of the handguard which is a PA66 composite. it's why the G36 receiver requires machining and can dull tool steel over time. the two aren't really comparable in terms of material.

some Kel-Tec products use a similar composition, notably in the KSG-12.
 
Hm, never knew they did machining to the G36's plastic, how much of the receiver is, just the inside to get the right dimensions and surfaces? Or do they plain cut it out of a 'billet' of their special plastic?

I guess I'll stand corrected, it's a different example, but still the concept has merit and an AR15 with a full plastic receiver and body is something that could probably be done, even if KE Arms could never hope to do it.
 
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The ultimate problem with polymer rifle receivers is that the sun will eventually degrade them. It's less apparent with pistols because they're almost always holstered.
Yes.... I imagine in Arizona that could be a problem. Unless it's going to stay in a nice indoor rifle rack for the majority of it's life.

Ian describes the budget version as a civil defense verion... OK, in a civil defense role and you're carrying a rifle along with you constantly while you're doing other stuff, how useful is it going to be if it polymer starts to degrade.

Also not to sound like a broken record, but a few months of a rifle getting knocked about, dropped, throwen in and out of vehicles, maybe a forward assist might add a degree of reliability.
 
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Yes.... I imagine in Arizona that could be a problem. Unless it's going to stay in a nice indoor rifle rack for the majority of it's life.

Karl describes the budge version as a civil defense verion... OK, in a civil defense role and you're carrying a rifle along with you constantly while you're doing other stuff, how useful is it going to be if it polymer starts to degrade.

Also not to sound like a broken record, but a few months of a rifle getting knocked about, dropped, throwen in and out of vehicles, maybe a forward assist might add a degree of reliability.
Does anyone know the composition of the WWSD lowers?
 
According to KEArms it's 30% Glass Filled Nylon. It smells Chinese and it most likely does not chooch.
30% isn't too bad. You can kinda sorta test the percentage if you scrape it with a box cutter and feel how crunchy it is. IDK if anyone would be willing to volunteer theirs but a guntuber who has one and could also acquire test samples of 10/20/30/50% GFR nylon (they come in little squares) could gauge whether it really is or not.

Though I'm betting it is. It's not really expensive.
 
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