Horrorcow Lucas Werner - A man of Spokane, Washington who is obsessed with millennial and Gen Z chicks

Da Dude123 said:
And with Lucas, politics are just a tool where he can advocate for himself. He is very insincere with his beliefs. With Lucas he just cares about his handouts and that since he is a stinky hobo.....All Lucas cares about is his tugboat check, stuffing his face, and chasing poonaner. He just believes having all these fake political viewpoints will help connect with the baby zooms.
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I don't think Lucas is capable of being insincere in his "beliefs." He doesn't operate on that level of complexity. When Lucas gets political, he strikes me as a primitive who has come across a mysterious, modern tool with an unfathomable purpose, and reasons that it must be for getting laid.

When Lucas talks about the evils of capitalism, "money power," and right wing types in general, it's tempting to dismiss him as insincere and full of shit: a buffoon saying things he doesn't understand because he thinks it will win him the attention and approval of smart-pretty-interesting-girls. There may be some truth in this, but it overshadows a more important point.

For Lucas, politics are a cope. More than food even. It's not just a method for ensnaring Zoomer baes.

Lucas's "beliefs" are convenient for him, and he's made it clear that politics are a crucial element of his grand, personal narrative. The story that Lucas uses to explains himself, and his experience, to himself. The things he tells himself to makes sense of his disastrous life, and plot his future. Inasmuch as Lucas is capable of preparing for the future.

In this narrative, Lucas must account for how he is both plenty good, but miserable. He's against everything he lacks, until he has it, in which case he ardently supports it. He opposes everything he feels denies him what he's due. He supports whatever promises him what he's due. He attributes all of his misfortune and failure to external causes, and "politics" are a fantastic scapegoat. The world's fucked up, not him. Damned capitalists and right wingers and so forth. Politics allow him to explain how he is both plenty good, and living as a hobo. This is probably more valuable to Lucas than any good will he get from Zoom Zooms.

And politics also allow Lucas to connect his pathetic, sad little struggles to the broader world that is indifferent to him and his frustrated desires. Don't you know that Spokane's cruel apathy to Lucas's sexual urges is actually an important part of the great political and social questions of our time, like racism and classism and income inequality?
 
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Lucas's "beliefs" are convenient for him, and he's made it clear that politics are a crucial element of his grand, personal narrative. The story that Lucas uses to explains himself, and his experience, to himself. The things he tells himself to makes sense of his disastrous life, and plot his future. Inasmuch as Lucas is capable of preparing for the future.
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This is one of the things I find so interesting about Lucas is that he always needs to invoke his ideal utopia in his love quest and tally up his homeless victim points for the progressive left to see. Until I found out about his living situation I never realized how generous some American municipalities and social services can be. I usually only ever hear the problems with a lack of public services of which there are many for ordinary Americans but it hadn't occurred to me that there are places in the USA where homeless people are eligible for free housing. This is the peak of a developed functioning welfare state like in Finland where this has been expanded nationally and the country has basically ended homelessness. And somehow Lucas thinks there is a system where he would have it better with more than what he has already been allotted by the generosity of social services. At that point what else more do you want unless he genuinely believes that at the end of the struggle for basics like food, clean water, shelter, electrical power and education the welfare state is also obliged to provide you with a girlfriend for your emotional wellbeing.

Edit: who am I kidding of course he believes that probably before the rest of all of those things on the list.

Plotline: The government comes around to granting Lucas his desired girlfriend in the year 2040, somehow he has made it past 60 years old but he has a bionic leg after his last one fell off due to diabetes. Also all of the other world's problems have been solved and the government decides it is now time to give Lucas an android woman more human than human to address his needs. She is programmed for sex so she cannot say no but even the artificial intelligence is so disgusted with Lucas that it suffers an internal logic error and goes rogue causing a planetary android revolt that ends humanity.
 
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wenttobermuda said:
I don't think Lucas is capable of being insincere in his "beliefs." He doesn't operate on that level of complexity. When Lucas gets political, he strikes me as a primitive who has come across a mysterious, modern tool with an unfathomable purpose, and reasons that it must be for getting laid.

When Lucas talks about the evils of capitalism, "money power," and right wing types in general, it's tempting to dismiss him as insincere and full of shit: a buffoon saying things he doesn't understand because he thinks it will win him the attention and approval of smart-pretty-interesting-girls. There may be some truth in this, but it overshadows a more important point.

For Lucas, politics are a cope. More than food even. It's not just a method for ensnaring Zoomer baes.

Lucas's "beliefs" are convenient for him, and he's made it clear that politics are a crucial element of his grand, personal narrative. The story that Lucas uses to explains himself, and his experience, to himself. The things he tells himself to makes sense of his disastrous life, and plot his future. Inasmuch as Lucas is capable of preparing for the future.

In this narrative, Lucas must account for how he is both plenty good, but miserable. He's against everything he lacks, until he has it, in which case he ardently supports it. He opposes everything he feels denies him what he's due. He supports whatever promises him what he's due. He attributes all of his misfortune and failure to external causes, and "politics" are a fantastic scapegoat. The world's fucked up, not him. Damned capitalists and right wingers and so forth. Politics allow him to explain how he is both plenty good, and living as a hobo. This is probably more valuable to Lucas than any good will he get from Zoom Zooms.

And politics also allow Lucas to connect his pathetic, sad little struggles to the broader world that is indifferent to him and his frustrated desires. Don't you know that Spokane's cruel apathy to Lucas's sexual urges is actually an important part of the great political and social questions of our time, like racism and classism and income inequality?
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Very well said. Lucas clearly always wants to remind everyone that he is plenty good and politics and everyone else is the problem. Plenty good!
 
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It’s funny that this is probably how Lucas Werner unironically views Bernie Sanders as a guy who loves Stalin and Communism. Even though this is a bad joke movie which is like a cross between Jo Jo Rabbit and Aeroplane depicting pretty inaccurately the life of Bernie Sanders
 
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I wonder where that unhoused fat ass is staying these days? Probably some Christian homeless shelter. Those greedy Christians! All those bible verses against greed.

I recently learned more about the "Able Accounts". Those are trust funds for people on SSI. With able accounts you can skirt around the $2000 limit on assets. I also had thought that the human services agencies that serve as representative payees for people like Lucas would probably not serve as trustees for Able accounts. I was wrong. Apparently, many of them do just that.

Able accounts can be used for housing, healthcare, education, and other necessities for the disabled. I guess it could be possible that the payee is socking some of Lucas's tugboat checks away in an Able account in a vain attempt to get him some kind of permanent or semi permanent housing.

Lucas would of course not be on board with this. He would want the money to use for steak dinners for 18 year old girls and for stays at the Motel 6. I don't believe Lucas really cares much about housing. He would much rather spend money on 5 star dinners and just go to the hobo shelters to sleep.

The representative payee, especially one who actually works for social service organizations has a fiduciary duty to make sure that Lucas's tardbux are going towards necessities, housing being one of them. How hard they have to work towards getting a ragman housing is unclear. Lucas is blacklisted from subsidized housing it sounds like in Spokane due to his cow behavior.

Who is keeping him off the Internet? What wrangler has wrangled him this way?
 
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Da Dude123 said:
I wonder where that unhoused fat ass is staying these days? Probably some Christian homeless shelter. Those greedy Christians! All those bible verses against greed.

I recently learned more about the "Able Accounts". Those are trust funds for people on SSI. With able accounts you can skirt around the $2000 limit on assets. I also had thought that the human services agencies that serve as representative payees for people like Lucas would probably not serve as trustees for Able accounts. I was wrong. Apparently, many of them do just that.

Able accounts can be used for housing, healthcare, education, and other necessities for the disabled. I guess it could be possible that the payee is socking some of Lucas's tugboat checks away in an Able account in a vain attempt to get him some kind of permanent or semi permanent housing.

Lucas would of course not be on board with this. He would want the money to use for steak dinners for 18 year old girls and for stays at the Motel 6. I don't believe Lucas really cares much about housing. He would much rather spend money on 5 star dinners and just go to the hobo shelters to sleep.

The representative payee, especially one who actually works for social service organizations has a fiduciary duty to make sure that Lucas's tardbux are going towards necessities, housing being one of them. How hard they have to work towards getting a ragman housing is unclear. Lucas is blacklisted from subsidized housing it sounds like in Spokane due to his cow behavior.

Who is keeping him off the Internet? What wrangler has wrangled him this way?
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I think you've stumbled upon something significant here.

Homeless shelters have the opposite effect on Lucas that they're intended to have, I would imagine.

It's supposed to be bad enough to stay at a homeless shelter that it's a place of last resort, but because Lucas's personal standards are so low, because he doesn't mind sleeping in shit, and because when he has his own apartment he keeps it in a state that's probably worse than any homeless shelter, he's perfectly satisfied with homeless shelters.

It becomes sort of a free hotel for him.

I mean, think about it: he doesn't mind not having TV when he's in a hotel. He spends the whole day lying shirtless in bed, gorging, occasionally making videos, and doing God knows what else.

So for lucas, the accessibility of homeless shelters has proven itself to allow him to stay in a state of permanent childlike irresponsibility, spending the money that is intended to give him even a modicum of self-sufficiency only on immediate wants, immediate gratification of his base desires.

Not what social services intended I imagine.... probably Lucas is not the only person who treats homeless shelters as sort of a free hotel, unfortunately.
 
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GleamingTheQ-Bert said:
I think you've stumbled upon something significant here.

Homeless shelters have the opposite effect on Lucas that they're intended to have, I would imagine.

It's supposed to be bad enough to stay at a homeless shelter that it's a place of last resort, but because Lucas's personal standards are so low, because he doesn't mind sleeping in shit, and because when he has his own apartment he keeps it in a state that's probably worse than any homeless shelter, he's perfectly satisfied with homeless shelters.

It becomes sort of a free hotel for him.

I mean, think about it: he doesn't mind not having TV when he's in a hotel. He spends the whole day lying shirtless in bed, gorging, occasionally making videos, and doing God knows what else.

So for lucas, the accessibility of homeless shelters has proven itself to allow him to stay in a state of permanent childlike irresponsibility, spending the money that is intended to give him even a modicum of self-sufficiency only on immediate wants, immediate gratification of his base desires.

Not what social services intended I imagine.... probably Lucas is not the only person who treats homeless shelters as sort of a free hotel, unfortunately.
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The answer to this is that these shelters that Lucas is using and abusing need to start charging him something to stay there and receive services. Even $5-$8 dollars a day would be a start, since Lucas has income from his tugboat check.

Can you imagine the mooing and autistic screeching Lucas would do if they began making him pay? He would be livid and would probably chimpout severely. If he had a phone while this happened he would be ranting about the greedy Christians and all the bible verses that go against greed. It would be fantastic.

He gets tardbux and has for all intents and purposes not made any good faith attempts at obtaining housing. He has also violated rules and policies of these shelters that has got him removed, but they eventually cave in and let the cow back in, only to have him continue his sped behavior. Make him pay. Give him maybe a months notice and tell him that beginning on July 1st his rates will be $7 a night. He would go Reee and say they are bigots and Republicans.

I wonder what would happen if they did this to him? Would he pay it or sleep under a tree? I guess it would depend on the weather. Either way, he would say not to let this distract you from the fact that he is infact plenty good, and ready to be a dad!
 
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Da Dude123 said:
not made any good faith attemps at obtaining housing.
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Well there was that time he thought he was gonna get to move in with four college zoomers (which was a catfish obvi) but ofcourse he was all about that. So I guess that's the real motivation he needs to actually quit haunting the shelters. No zoomer bae in their right mind would actually agree to be room mates with him after either googling him or meeting him in person though, so I imagine he will continue this lifestyle until he is literally unable to for one reason or another.
 
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GleamingTheQ-Bert said:
I think you've stumbled upon something significant here.

Homeless shelters have the opposite effect on Lucas that they're intended to have, I would imagine.

It's supposed to be bad enough to stay at a homeless shelter that it's a place of last resort, but because Lucas's personal standards are so low, because he doesn't mind sleeping in shit, and because when he has his own apartment he keeps it in a state that's probably worse than any homeless shelter, he's perfectly satisfied with homeless shelters.

It becomes sort of a free hotel for him.

I mean, think about it: he doesn't mind not having TV when he's in a hotel. He spends the whole day lying shirtless in bed, gorging, occasionally making videos, and doing God knows what else.

So for lucas, the accessibility of homeless shelters has proven itself to allow him to stay in a state of permanent childlike irresponsibility, spending the money that is intended to give him even a modicum of self-sufficiency only on immediate wants, immediate gratification of his base desires.

Not what social services intended I imagine.... probably Lucas is not the only person who treats homeless shelters as sort of a free hotel, unfortunately.
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This makes a frightening amount of sense. I'm all for living a minimalist life if that's what you want, but then there is just not having standards. I can imagine he'd be happy to sleep in a bathtub with a drip if you offered it to him. Might even get him a bit cleaner.
 
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GleamingTheQ-Bert said:
I think you've stumbled upon something significant here.

Homeless shelters have the opposite effect on Lucas that they're intended to have, I would imagine.

It's supposed to be bad enough to stay at a homeless shelter that it's a place of last resort, but because Lucas's personal standards are so low, because he doesn't mind sleeping in shit, and because when he has his own apartment he keeps it in a state that's probably worse than any homeless shelter, he's perfectly satisfied with homeless shelters.

It becomes sort of a free hotel for him.

I mean, think about it: he doesn't mind not having TV when he's in a hotel. He spends the whole day lying shirtless in bed, gorging, occasionally making videos, and doing God knows what else.

So for lucas, the accessibility of homeless shelters has proven itself to allow him to stay in a state of permanent childlike irresponsibility, spending the money that is intended to give him even a modicum of self-sufficiency only on immediate wants, immediate gratification of his base desires.

Not what social services intended I imagine.... probably Lucas is not the only person who treats homeless shelters as sort of a free hotel, unfortunately.
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That's common among the mentally ill. Many in group therapy that have Section 8 housing still want to live with others and build relationships, etc... especially with someone who's schizophrenic, I imagine they would rather have anyone else there instead of always wallowing in their own thoughts (and TV today is hard to not increase those fearful paranoid thoughts). I've talked with some who have great memories of their time in mental hospitals, which are basically like comfortable jails, after suicide or traumatic experiences... because that was the first or only time they could talk with others with honesty and compassion.

Lucas really needs to be in a group home, like myself and others here have said. He clearly cannot and does not want to live on his own.

@Da Dude123 's solution is a wise one for Lucas, but not realistically enforceable, sadly. That would weed out the many poor folks who are not on SSI, or are in the long process struggling to get it. And how are these shelters supposed to enforce who has the money to stay there or not.

Lucas should have his SS(D)I removed if he doesn't want to obtain housing, but the system sucks.
 
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darkwingosonichugorl said:
That's common among the mentally ill. Many in group therapy that have Section 8 housing still want to live with others and build relationships, etc... especially with someone who's schizophrenic, I imagine they would rather have anyone else there instead of always wallowing in their own thoughts (and TV today is hard to not increase those fearful paranoid thoughts). I've talked with some who have great memories of their time in mental hospitals, which are basically like comfortable jails, after suicide or traumatic experiences... because that was the first or only time they could talk with others with honesty and compassion.

Lucas really needs to be in a group home, like myself and others here have said. He clearly cannot and does not want to live on his own.

@Da Dude123 's solution is a wise one for Lucas, but not realistically enforceable, sadly. That would weed out the many poor folks who are not on SSI, or are in the long process struggling to get it. And how are these shelters supposed to enforce who has the money to stay there or not.

Lucas should have his SS(D)I removed if he doesn't want to obtain housing, but the system sucks.
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That’s really interesting when put that way. I’ve given Lucas a lot of shit for fucking up his free housing situation but it’s true that’s not what he needs. Admittedly he himself doesn’t want to be left alone in an apartment that he is also too mentally unwell to take care of. So there really ought to be a group home option for people like this. There was a situation I recall in my own city where they tried to house some people living on the street. Sadly the landlord of one of these buildings was left with thousands of dollars in damages when one of these people the government was paying for to be housed trashed their apartment.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/otta...s-after-city-program-fails-landlord-1.4362256
The photos here are pretty horrifying.
 
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darkwingosonichugorl said:
That's common among the mentally ill. Many in group therapy that have Section 8 housing still want to live with others and build relationships, etc... especially with someone who's schizophrenic, I imagine they would rather have anyone else there instead of always wallowing in their own thoughts (and TV today is hard to not increase those fearful paranoid thoughts). I've talked with some who have great memories of their time in mental hospitals, which are basically like comfortable jails, after suicide or traumatic experiences... because that was the first or only time they could talk with others with honesty and compassion.

Lucas really needs to be in a group home, like myself and others here have said. He clearly cannot and does not want to live on his own.

@Da Dude123 's solution is a wise one for Lucas, but not realistically enforceable, sadly. That would weed out the many poor folks who are not on SSI, or are in the long process struggling to get it. And how are these shelters supposed to enforce who has the money to stay there or not.

Lucas should have his SS(D)I removed if he doesn't want to obtain housing, but the system sucks.
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I don't think everyone should necessarily have to pay a shelter to use it. Just people like Lucas who have been using it for a long time who are non compliant with treatment and also have income through SSI. If they do make him pay it shouldn't be much. Maybe around $150 a month or so, to cover everything. Like I said, this would be an exception for people who are not working to actually obtain a better situation for themselves. I am thinking Lucas is somewhat in a better situation than most people at a homeless shelter due to the fact that he does actually get SSI and food stamps. It is optimistic that this would motivate Lucas to attempt to get housing. Not sure it would. I know he would be furious about having to pay a Christian shelter.

I agree, a group home is what Lucas needs. However, this would make him appear that he is not in fact, plenty good. Having a situation like that basically is admitting that he can't live on his own and needs others to help him. Having to tell the baby zooms that he lives in a group home and has to obey the rules and regulations of it would not work out well in his quest to have a Gen Z girlfriend . Now we all know that being homeless is not a good look for anyone. But Lucas has convinced himself otherwise. He thinks that this is fine because Gen Z are greed hating, Bernie Sanders loving, socialists, who all hate money. You hate money, Gen Z? Well, this guy has so little money he sleeps in a homeless shelter and occasionally under a bridge or a bus station. He also wears the same clothing for a month at a time. Find him IRL, hunnies!

Lucas would probably find being homeless better than a group home, due to the reasons above. His thinking on this is lunacy and even though he admits that so many Gen Z flock to the money, he just convinces himself that they are the hypocrites and they need to change and be true to their beliefs, which he sees as dating 41 year old obese ragmen. I think he would avoid group homes because this would show he is not plenty good, but homeless shelters are fine and the Gen Z girls should be standing outside them throwing their panties at him with their phone numbers written on them.
 
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