Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[El Sátiro Sordo]

Although I don't think society should do anything for troons except public shaming and exile, I still don't buy this story.

They wanted her to lose weight to get the free surgery and she said she couldn't do it. Diet is 75% of weight loss and chubs there puts the entire blame on her massive boobs "getting in the way of exercising". Sounds annoying and painful but hard agree with NHS on this one.

Yeah. If you look at the amount of calories you burn by running 5 miles it will surprise you; it's not a lot. Most of the calories you consume are wasted just keeping you warm.
People often associate counting calories with eating disorders, but it's pretty much the only thing that works when it comes to weight loss. Of course: you can lose a bunch of pounds in one week with a crash diet, but they'll come back. Nutrition is similar to training in that regard: you should make changes gradually, so that you can guarantee long term consistency.

That's true, I should have mentioned that I was specifically talking about the USA. Spain legalized gay marriage in 2005 and nothing important happened after it. But the USA context is much different: The troon ideology has been brewing for decades now in the USA and probably in other "Anglo-Saxon" cultures as well. As soon as gay marriage (now you shouldn't even call it same-sex or gay marriage, but "marriage equality" or "marriage for all") was legalized the gates were opened to make troonerism mainstream.
You're totally right that troonerism in its modern conception seems to infect the entire world. I've already heard of rich non-binary Russian kids or how Western troonerism negatively affected women rights activists in India. The insanity probably started in American universities and spread through social media around the entire world. It's so clear that this comes from America when I'm looking up the Twitter bios of Swiss-German politicians. Everything in their bio is in German except the pronouns which are often in English. I also do think that poorer countries and/or countries where only a few people speak English are less prone to this infection that countries like Sweden or Germany.



That's even too harsh for my standards. I do think that troons have their place in society: In sitcoms and in theatre to be laughet at, since most trannies are inherently funny. Maybe this is where Ollie's "career" is going?

I'm from LATAM. I won't tell you about what is happening here, because I have sperged about this shit constantly on breadtube's thread. I'll tell you this: all middle class kids who speak English have already drank the Kool-Aid. That and postgraduate students coming back from the States or Europe. You can barely recognize them.

There are some /pol/lack losers, not just in Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil, but also in "darker" countries such as my own, Colombia. People who were exploring the internet before the local "normies" discovered breadtube. They are few, very few; a dying breed if you ask me.

If you went to any university here and said "trans women are women" you would probably be applauded by most people. The only real opposition to them are political lesbian and radfems. I don't really like them, but I understand how troons can undo their struggle by distracting people from real issues, such as LATAM's huge femicide problem.

In many ways hispanic Internet is very pre 2016. Troons are taking over, but the quarrels between edgy guys (which we call rat kids) and feminists prevent them from making a truce and denounce trannies. I believe this has a lot to do with huspanic culture IRL. Relationships between educated men and women are very damaged: sexual scandals are common place in universities, and pretty much everywhere, but are not taken seriously due to euphemisms and stereotypes people use. For example: some American middle age women come here to find their "Diego" because Latino men are "passioante". That is not the case: latino culture is rapy. I think that's why feminists haven't woken up to this new menace: they have a lot of pending issues with normal men and too little time to think about troons.

 

[Luna Mothews]

I don’t think it’s fair to blame gay marriage for troons, especially when the gender cult began a few years before it was federally recognized. A lot of people who wanted gay marriage were just normie adult gay people who wanted to get married, and a lot of those people are opposed to troons, especially with the homophobia that’s almost always a part of it.

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

I don’t think it’s fair to blame gay marriage for troons, especially when the gender cult began a few years before it was federally recognized. A lot of people who wanted gay marriage were just normie adult gay people who wanted to get married, and a lot of those people are opposed to troons, especially with the homophobia that’s almost always a part of it.

I've noticed most radfems or people who dislike the gender cult are gay and lesbian. Especially since straight men are trooning out and then joining lesbian dating sites and then trying to shame lesbians into straight sex, accusing them of bigotry and transphobia because they won't sick dick.
There seems a real backlash against troons by gay people. There are even new groups like LGB alliance.

 

[El Sátiro Sordo]

I've noticed most radfems or people who dislike the gender cult are gay and lesbian. Especially since straight men are trooning out and then joining lesbian dating sites and then trying to shame lesbians into straight sex, accusing them of bigotry and transphobia because they won't sick dick.
There seems a real backlash against troons by gay people. There are even new groups like LGB alliance.

Troons are just incels who grifted to the woke left. Simple as.
I believe some poeple here relate all the troon cult and pedophilia with homosexuality because of assholes like Foucault.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

The definitive proof vaccines do cause autism

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He mentioned he does shopping himself and it shows. Great job on wrinkles going from the sides of his forehead and disappearing in the middle. Plus his stuffed bra looks like he doesn't really know where women's breasts are supposed to be

The wrinkles is the stereotypical troon selfie tactic of raising your eyebrows to try and make the brow ridge appear smaller + making the eyes look bigger. See also, Kevin Gibes. The open mouth is the same thing of trying to make the jaw look less Chad-like.

At least he hasn't gone full autogynosmile (yet).

 

[FluffyCat9000]

'Head is a bit itchy' yeah we can tell. You have visible dandruff and extremely dry/damaged hair.
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The irony of those top comments is that they think the Contrapoints comparison is a compliment, when in fact it's 1) absolutely true and 2) should be an insult. oh, a catgirl? How original! I've definitely never seen that anywhere else... oh wait.

I knew it was only a matter of time before Philosophy Tube started ripping off the other costumes/"characters" from Contra but with this catgirl knockoff I think the costume cannibalism is accelerating. Literally 0 original thoughts or ideas, only a sad reflection of Contra

 

[esmeggs]

Thought he was teasing an OnlyFans debut until I remembered he's a very serious actress now. I can't believe they found someone that was able to make a corset big enough to fit him.
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[Tranimal Farm]

I've noticed most radfems or people who dislike the gender cult are gay and lesbian. Especially since straight men are trooning out and then joining lesbian dating sites and then trying to shame lesbians into straight sex, accusing them of bigotry and transphobia because they won't sick dick.
There seems a real backlash against troons by gay people. There are even new groups like LGB alliance.

If you go on lolcow this take can be seen everywhere. To radfems (lesbian ones in particular) troonerism is a form of what some of them call "neo-patriarchy" men transition to women in order to invade women's spaces and gain access to women who were previously sexually unavailable to them, claiming discrimination if dykes refuse to deepthroat them. They see AGP troons as the new peak of sexism against women because so many of them, Kevin "Am hole" Gibes for example, see and treat femininity and womanhood as being entirely about sexual objectification and being fucked by men.

On the FtM end they believe it's purely internalized misogyny, that anti-patriarchy tumblr propaganda went too far and gave young girls the idea that men's lives are devoid of hardship and that they'd be living on easy mode if they started injecting T and chopped their tits off. Blaire White just did an interview with a detransitioner who literally said as much.

Troons are just incels who grifted to the woke left. Simple as.
I believe some poeple here relate all the troon cult and pedophilia with homosexuality because of assholes like Foucault.

Go read the foundational documents, essays, and papers that make up Queer Theory, pedophilia justification and apologism is a dime a dozen. Foucault, Reuben, Califia, and Butler are some of the worst offenders.

 

[Ear]

Wasn't that the whole thing with the Britpop movement of the 1990s? People who refused to sing in American or posh accents, and actually sing in the accents from where they were from?

Yeah, it was going so well, then someone spoke in their native brummie accent in public and ruined it for everyone. Now we're back to RP.

Re. the ollie-corset - I have heard Victorian men used to wear something corset-ish to give a more athletic physique (inverted triangle, slim waist/hips, big shoulders). I am not sure that is what he was probably going for, though. Girly girl corset tee hee empty head and lipstick. God, they're absolutely transparent, aren't they.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

On the FtM end they believe it's purely internalized misogyny, that anti-patriarchy tumblr propaganda went too far and gave young girls the idea that men's lives are devoid of hardship and that they'd be living on easy mode if they started injecting T and chopped their tits off. Blaire White just did an interview with a detransitioner who literally said as much.

Just like TiMs like that retard Vintology have been doing this for the same exact reason: "troonsition to gurl & experience life on easy mode UwU". This only proves awkward failures have a not even surface level of understanding of the other sex and its associated gender roles/stereotypes/expectations/etc. I don't think it needed to be confirmed by Blaire White.

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

Re. the ollie-corset - I have heard Victorian men used to wear something corset-ish to give a more athletic physique (inverted triangle, slim waist/hips, big shoulders).

Dont know why but i thought of zap Brannigan when i read this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpxBXeJzrW4

 

[fine tooth comb]

femicide

not a word

 

[Maxxicus Callahan]

Philosopher criticizing commodification of philosophy by influencers. Kind of interesting

Edit: Sort of unrelated but also interesting.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I don’t think it’s fair to blame gay marriage for troons, especially when the gender cult began a few years before it was federally recognized. A lot of people who wanted gay marriage were just normie adult gay people who wanted to get married, and a lot of those people are opposed to troons, especially with the homophobia that’s almost always a part of it.

The point is gay marriage was first accepted as ok culturally and then legalised a few years later after being pushed in exactly the same way Trooning is now, It gets the blame because what is happening now proves the people screaming about the slope it would create correct.

The fact normies are now being hit with Trans shit everywhere means they are about 5-10 years too late to do anything about it.

I've noticed most radfems or people who dislike the gender cult are gay and lesbian. Especially since straight men are trooning out and then joining lesbian dating sites and then trying to shame lesbians into straight sex, accusing them of bigotry and transphobia because they won't sick dick.
There seems a real backlash against troons by gay people. There are even new groups like LGB alliance.

Of course there is pushback and of course it's those people pushing back. This was always going to be the case. People said that this very thing would happen.

 

[Luna Mothews]

Gay marriage and trooning are different things though, because being gay requires no medical intervention. It wasn't like Big Wedding was pushing gay wedding cakes the way Big Pharma is pushing hormones onto people now.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Gay marriage and trooning are different things though, because being gay requires no medical intervention.

No one is saying they are the same. Just that the push for both is following a similar pattern that has proven to work.

It wasn't like Big Wedding was pushing gay wedding cakes the way Big Pharma is pushing hormones onto people now.

Gay acceptance was being pushed by all aspects of media. It was also being pushed by the medical field in that previous behaviours got parents told maybe your child is gay.

 

[Ear]

The Prof Muller vids are interesting. He initially did a (enjoyable) takedown of one of PT's Kant vids, pulling him up on conflating concepts, oversimplifying to the point of distortion and man-splaining (lol). This was the day before PT trooned out. Predictably the comments were flooded with PT's fangirls and boys, so he did the rather more polite take on identity (with, IMO, some subtle dragging that probs went over PT's head).

While suspicious of any western dude who sets up shop in the far East, it's nice to see some pushback from actual academic philosophers on this dreck - and also on the academy vs 'educate yourself for free on the internet'. While PT might generously have put his expertise out there for all the poor unfortunates who couldn't afford to do a philosophy degree, it's helpful to have someone pointing out that he might not actually be doing them any favours, and they might be better off reading a book.

 

[Obtrusigopeengis]

Gay marriage and trooning are different things though, because being gay requires no medical intervention. It wasn't like Big Wedding was pushing gay wedding cakes the way Big Pharma is pushing hormones onto people now.

The gay rights activists during the aids epidemic and later marriage equality activists created a powerful lobbying group that was repurposed into pushing for tranny shit when they had nothing else to fight for look into it it has a lot of money behind it that’s why they’re always doing crazy shit because they’re kind of rebels with infinite funding and no real cause now and normal people and straight allies want to think their ahead of the times and virtue signal or whatever by accepting any shit this lobby pushes,

 

[esmeggs]

The YSL bag comment made me laugh, he should've specified that he's not interested in knockoffs.

Olly is really acting like being a woman means you prefer to play hockey over football. Also suddenly he's always known he was trans??? Didn't he say earlier that he didn't know he was trans until he met a troon in university???

 

[Icasaracht]

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The YSL bag comment made me laugh, he should've specified that he's not interested in knockoffs.
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Olly is really acting like being a woman means you prefer to play hockey over football. Also suddenly he's always known he was trans??? Didn't he say earlier that he didn't know he was trans until he met a troon in university???

The only recurrent theme here is that Olly loves playing with balls.