Megathread TERFs / Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists / Gender Critical Feminists - ft. r/GenderCritical & related reddits, Mancheeze, Cathy Brennan, GCDad, RadFHarva, Jamie Shupe, etc; "Gender Critical Feminism is Homophobic" - Cathy Brennan, 2019.

[Call Me Mellow Yellow]

Spoiler: "Someone wrong on the Internet"-type sperg

I think you possibly misunderstand feminism. It isn't about hatred of men, but (and here is the nuance) if you focus on 2nd wave (and arguably a nascent 4th wave) feminism it has to be looked as a materialist movement which considers the root of the oppression of women, which is on the basis of sex. You may not agree with that assessment, but unlike transgenderism it is internally consistent.


There's no such thing as cisgender. In fact, there's arguably no such thing as gender. Many/most GC feminists would argue against an internally-felt gender; rather they are women by virtue of birth and biology, their oppression is on that basis, and they don't get to 'opt out'.


TERF was always a stupid acronym. For a start, it is tautological (rad-fem is by definition by and for women, and thus male-exclusive), but it's an easy slur to use without having to engage with. It is similar to lazy the TERF = right-wing trope; radical feminism is completely antithetical to the right, and in the UK particularly most radfems are strongly of and for the left.


This is the internet. Nuance died when TB-L first conceived of html.


The holier-than-thou attitude which has persisted for as long as time: because it is mainly male people making it it should take precedence over the needs and views of women, coupled to the idea that because they're women then should be expected to be caring and kind (tr: roll over and do what the stunning and brave men tell them to).


To be fair, there are a few trans people (and indeed, some men!) who understand the concept of allyship, mainly among the older, longer established community.


That isn't the main purpose of the GC and rad-fem movements. In fact, in many cases, defending the principle of sex-based services, is a distraction from what they would prefer to be the focus: understanding and dismantling the patriarchal society in favour of one that is more structurally egalitarian.


I don't think many, if any, GC or radfem women take pride in their gender or sex. Sex is a material fact which affects how a woman is perceived and treated from the point that it is known.


The stupidest thing is that Trans-identified males lose out by trying to force women to do their emotional labour, because they're drawn into a long and unwinnable fight with no prize at the end of it. Trans people need medical and social care, advocacy, and facilities that support them as trans people; all co-opting facilities for women and disabled people does is to disguise the problem and reduce provision for everyone except men!

It's got fuck-all to do with cucked white people. This is a movement of largely white, heterosexual men that is more than happy to appropriate the resources and experiences of women and minorities to live out their sordid wank fantasies, and the sooner it is recognised as such the better for all of us.

What issues aren't white people cucked over? They cuck themselves. Please.

 

[Comrade Autogynephilia]

I always thought the male/female split for suicide was much higher than that, more like 75/25% M/F.
What do women have to be depressed about?

Although that rhetoric is pretty typical for the r/GenderCritical, lolcow.farm crowd when they're trying to be 'edgy' or 'subversive', and as usual just comes across as a pale, pathetic, cringe attempt.

 

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I really don't like how some radfems use the male suicide thing to suit their agenda or to joke about it. They also do a disservice to the women who commit suicide by mocking it as well. If only these radfems were as devoted to actually helping women as they are to about hateraging on Twitter about men.

 

[Ugandan discussions]

What issues aren't white people cucked over? They cuck themselves. Please.

I don't buy that shit, but even if you do - how is white men appropriating resources and spaces from women and POC an example of cucked white men? You're missing the most basic internal consistency.

 

[Ugandan discussions]

I really don't like how some radfems use the male suicide thing to suit their agenda or to joke about it. They also do a disservice to the women who commit suicide by mocking it as well. If only these radfems were as devoted to actually helping women as they are to about hateraging on Twitter about men.

I don't think any bona fide radfems do that, and symptomatic of a wider issue in this thread that very few of you fucker actually understand what radical feminism actually is. Wasting time and energy hating men is as irrelevant as centring men in feminism

Radfemmery is not about hatred of men, separatism, female superiority or any of the other things most contributors to the thread seem to be worried or angry about. Its about the liberation of all women who it sees as as oppressed by the structural patriarchy of society. Focus on men, except as the oppressor within a patriarchy, is the complete antithesis of radical feminism; the whole point is that it should be men who put energy into caring about whether we kill ourselves (and let's be honest, which man on here ever gives a shit about high male suicide rates except when attacking women for not prioritising us?).

I don't expect everyone or even many to agree with me, but if you all you're going to do is set up badly constructed straw men to then knock down cheaply, you're never going to look like anything more than a bitter, childish incel.

 

[LurkNoMore]

I don't buy that shit, but even if you do - how is white men appropriating resources and spaces from women and POC an example of cucked white men? You're missing the most basic internal consistency.

Except they are no longer white men by progressive, intersectional feminism. They're white "women" now. Making them entitled to women's resources.

I don't think any bona fide radfems do that,

Oh, you navie child.

and symptomatic of a wider issue in this thread that very few of you fucker actually understand what radical feminism actually is. Wasting time and energy hating men is as irrelevant as centring men in feminism

Radical feminists and man hate are synonymous. Even if the ideology of RF is about building women up, instead of man hate. Its still quite prevalent.

Radfemmery is not about hatred of men, separatism, female superiority or any of the other things most contributors to the thread seem to be worried or angry about.

Literally is about all of that. Just cause your denomination of a denomination isn't about it. Doesn't mean others aren't as well.

Its about the liberation of all women who it sees as as oppressed by the structural patriarchy of society. Focus on men, except as the oppressor within a patriarchy, is the complete antithesis of radical feminism; the whole point is that it should be men who put energy into caring about whether we kill ourselves (and let's be honest, which man on here ever gives a shit about high male suicide rates except when attacking women for not prioritising us?).

Lol, fuck off.

I don't expect everyone or even many to agree with me, but if you all you're going to do is set up badly constructed straw men to then knock down cheaply, you're never going to look like anything more than a bitter, childish incel.

Lol... "Your an incel!"

 

[Ugandan discussions]

Except they are no longer white men by progressive, intersectional feminism. They're white "women" now. Making them entitled to women's resources.

Progressive, intersectional feminism =/= radical feminism. If you can't even get that right, there's little chance of you understanding it, us there?

Oh, you navie child.

Radical feminists and man hate are synonymous. Even if the ideology of RF is about building women up, instead of man hate. Its still quite prevalent.

You tell yourself that, doesn't make it less of a straw man.

Literally is about all of that. Just cause your denomination of a denomination isn't about it. Doesn't mean others aren't as well.

Again, you're setting up a straw man to knock down. There is plenty to critique about radical feminism, but if you want those mean wimmin to take you seriously then at least understanding what they believe is probably a start.

Lol, fuck off.

Lol... "Your an incel!"

There's not there's nothing even marginally funny on this thread for as long as I've been in KF. It's dragged back from the dead every few days/weeks by about 5 different people whose sole repetitive contribution can be summarised as "fuck dem bitches"; after a while one had to ask why you all keep making the same, inaccurate point if you aren't butthurt little incels?

If it quacks like a duck etc...

 

[LurkNoMore]

Progressive, intersectional feminism =/= radical feminism. If you can't even get that right, there's little chance of you understanding it, us there?

Lol, you thought I was conflating the two? Oh bless your heart.

You tell yourself that, doesn't make it less of a straw man.

A straw man most be a factual statement in your mind.

Again, you're setting up a straw man to knock down. There is plenty to critique about radical feminism, but if you want those mean wimmin to take you seriously then at least understanding what they believe is probably a start.

Female separatism from males isnt radical to you? Seems pretty radical to me. Especially as practically all women and most feminist don't believe in it.

There's not there's nothing even marginally funny on this thread for as long as I've been in KF. It's dragged back from the dead every few days/weeks by about 5 different people whose sole repetitive contribution can be summarised as "fuck dem bitches"; after a while one had to ask why you all keep making the same, inaccurate point if you aren't butthurt little incels?

If it quacks like a duck etc...

"How dare you make fun of autistic spergs on a website dedicated to making fun of autistic spergs!" I don't know about you but reading a bunch of women seethe with man-hate is pretty funny.

Its self evident you think some other woman's brand of feminism isn't real feminism. And no doubt they think the same about your brand of feminism.

 

[ash9990]

I don't think any bona fide radfems do that, and symptomatic of a wider issue in this thread that very few of you fucker actually understand what radical feminism actually is. Wasting time and energy hating men is as irrelevant as centring men in feminism

Radfemmery is not about hatred of men, separatism, female superiority or any of the other things most contributors to the thread seem to be worried or angry about. Its about the liberation of all women who it sees as as oppressed by the structural patriarchy of society. Focus on men, except as the oppressor within a patriarchy, is the complete antithesis of radical feminism; the whole point is that it should be men who put energy into caring about whether we kill ourselves (and let's be honest, which man on here ever gives a shit about high male suicide rates except when attacking women for not prioritising us?).

I don't expect everyone or even many to agree with me, but if you all you're going to do is set up badly constructed straw men to then knock down cheaply, you're never going to look like anything more than a bitter, childish incel.

I think some ppl ITT are troons who are mad at TERFs for hating trannies but they frame it as "they hate all men" and try to make it a man vs woman issue. I honestly have no problem with radfems as long as they continue to shit on the trannies. Feminists have hated men since forever, boo-hoo.

 

[Comrade Autogynephilia]

I think this is the only thread on KF where more of the thread is the thread's subject matter having a fit of "nuh uh we're not retards...!"
Feminists are such comically neurotic control freaks, not content with dominating every troon thread they have to come in here with their "akshuly reeee" hysterics.

It must cause a great deal of mental fatigue to keep up the pretence when women in the west hold such an obvious elevated, privileged position to dedicate your mind into believing you're actually some how 'oppressed'. Much like the troons, sub conciously they know how easily their idiology falls apart under the lightest of scutiny, so too must feminists pounce on even the slight dissent just like the troons. It's their MO I've seen elsewhere they've appeared online.

Also lol at they seem to have moved on from calling anyone that disagrees with them an incel to calling them a tranny.

 

[Ugandan discussions]

Lol, you thought I was conflating the two? Oh bless your heart.

That's exactly what you were doing.

A straw man most be a factual statement in your mind.

Female separatism from males isnt radical to you? Seems pretty radical to me. Especially as practically all women and most feminist don't believe in it.

Again like I say, you don't understand it. Feminism that is in some respects radical =/= radical feminism. You're trying to argue against the latter by invoking the former; it's wrong and makes you look stupid!

"How dare you make fun of autistic spergs on a website dedicated to making fun of autistic spergs!" I don't know about you but reading a bunch of women seethe with man-hate is pretty funny.

Where's the autistic sperging? All I'm seeing here is 5 boys/men posting general woman-hatred that they don't understand and sperging about it.

Its self evident you think some other woman's brand of feminism isn't real feminism. And no doubt they think the same about your brand of feminism.

Again, a straw man. For the explicit avoidance of doubt, the point I'm making is that 'radical feminism' as espoused by the likes of Bindel, Jeffreys, JCJ, etc is a philosophically distinct movement within feminism which differs from liberal feminism as well as the meme-based man-baiting which is actually what you seem to mostly railing against.

I'm not a feminist at all (one too many y-chromosomes). Still, feel free to call me a cuck instead of addressing the substance of what I've been saying!

 

[Ugandan discussions]

It must cause a great deal of mental fatigue to keep up the pretence when women in the west hold such an obvious elevated, privileged position to dedicate your mind into believing you're actually some how 'oppressed'.

And yet so many of you have convinced yourselves, in spite of the evidence, that white men are oppressed?

Much like the troons, sub conciously they know how easily their idiology falls apart under the lightest of scutiny, so too must feminists pounce on even the slight dissent just like the troons. It's their MO I've seen elsewhere they've appeared online.

Then make it fall apart! Because so far, I've seen nothing that even shows people understand it, still less that they can construct a coherent argument against it.

 

[LurkNoMore]

That's exactly what you were doing.

Literally where I'm I doing that? Nowhere.

Again like I say, you don't understand it. Feminism that is in some respects radical =/= radical feminism. You're trying to argue against the latter by invoking the former; it's wrong and makes you look stupid!

Lol, you have to be joking right? No, you are this stupid. If a position is radical it would belong to the radical section of an ideology.

Where's the autistic sperging? All I'm seeing here is 5 boys/men posting general woman-hatred that they don't understand and sperging about it.

Seeing as this is your third or fourth position bitching about men/women laughing at feminist nuts. I'd say you know good and well there is documented feminist sperging.

Again, a straw man. For the explicit avoidance of doubt, the point I'm making is that 'radical feminism' as espoused by the likes of Bindel, Jeffreys, JCJ, etc is a philosophically distinct movement within feminism which differs from liberal feminism as well as the meme-based man-baiting which is actually what you seem to mostly railing against.

Lol, you don't even know what liberal feminism is. And you think your gonna tell me what is and isn't feminism.

I'm not a feminist

Or even familiar with its most basic concepts that have been around for decades. Explains alot.

at all (one too many y-chromosomes). Still, feel free to call me a cuck instead of addressing the substance of what I've been saying!

You haven't said anything of substance. You've blindly stated what is and isn't this or that part of feminism. Lol, you a troll.

 

[LurkNoMore]

Feminists have hated men since forever, boo-hoo.

And we get to laugh our asses off at their stupid hate.

 

[Ugandan discussions]

Literally where I'm I doing that? Nowhere.

How about here:

Except they are no longer white men by progressive, intersectional feminism. They're white "women" now.

Lol, you have to be joking right? No, you are this stupid. If a position is radical it would belong to the radical section of an ideology.

Your call with what you want to believe. If you check your Merriam-Webster, it will tell. You that there are two clear meanings of 'radical'. 'Radical feminism' is about the first, relating to the fundamental nature of the women in society. Your use of 'radical' as broadly analogous to extreme is the second meaning.

Lol, you don't even know what liberal feminism is. And you think your gonna tell me what is and isn't feminism.

What do you think liberal feminism is? Because so far you've given no indication you have any clue or even conceptualisation of what any kind of feminism is beyond 'women who hate men'.

Or even familiar with its most basic concepts that have been around for decades. Explains alot.

See above!

You haven't said anything of substance. You've blindly stated what is and isn't this or that part of feminism. Lol, you a troll.

What do you want, a primer on 2nd and 3rd wave feminist theory? If you think that feminism is just about different ways of hating men, you can't expect anyone to take you seriously.

 

[Dagobert]

>When faggots newer than me shit up the thread harder than the the HOI4 thread is being shat up

Really makes you think. I'll gladly take the bullet along with the other newfags in the better interests of making fun of tards.

Anywho, going to post some actual content now. BTW, anybody got any invite codes though for ovarit? I want a lurker account to peruse profiles.

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Firstly, love how this goes in with the presumption women are the only one's saying "I feel unsafe" and actually meaning it/being in danger. I've been around in a lot of places and I've said, if not those exact words, similar words because I was genuinely in a dangerous position. And I can imagine plenty of transgenders genuinely do find themselves in danger, they're basically a man in a dress and not all of them are gigantic hulking men. I've known a trannie IRL who was 5'1, like fuck if someone like that won't end up in danger at some times.

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The opening gets me. 100% of the time that shit is funny.

NGL, I thought OP here was upset about getting called a TERF before I realized that queer was a slur and the problem is that OP just can't let go.

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WoMEn arEN'T CrImInALs beCAUsE thEy STEal fOr tHEIr stArVINg kiDs!!11!! Men aren't though, they never steal to provide for their families.

And of course, the second top comment is: "Woman deserve more gibs" because apparently if you've brought a child into the world despite being so bankrupt you can't afford to keep a child fed, the correct solution is a reward. And I should note, that at least in most American states, the states will give you money to help out if you're a new family if it's needed, so ironically these gibs already exist. Not good enough though.

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This one makes me sad. Woman wants to feel "cute," but that's o p p r e s s i o n there buddy so they repress what they want to do. Does anybody say "It's ok, dress how you like, that's the true meaning of freedom"

Nope. Encouraging going deeper into this mindset is preferred!

Finally, a bit of a different post. More pathetic than anything else.

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Unironically the same backstory as the average troon/wokie, giving credence to my own pet theory that all this gendershit is the same problem manifesting in different ways. Kinda wonder if this is also a Kiwi/might become a future Kiwi.

 

[LurkNoMore]

How about here:

Oh god, you really are this dumb... Explains alot. Progressive, intersectional feminism is really just an extension of liberal feminism. Which is obviously distinct from radical feminism.

Your call with what you want to believe. If you check your Merriam-Webster, it will tell. You that there are two clear meanings of 'radical'. 'Radical feminism' is about the first, relating to the fundamental nature of the women in society. Your use of 'radical' as broadly analogous to extreme is the second meaning.

Literally says neither of those. Also most proponents of separatism are advocating about women's place in society. Namely that even the basic male/female relationship upholds patriarchy. And that women will never truly be free until they abandon men all together.

What do you think liberal feminism is? Because so far you've given no indication you have any clue or even conceptualisation of what any kind of feminism is beyond 'women who hate men'.

Lol, I literally have been making the distinction. Liberal feminism is geared more toward the individual woman. Hence the term liberal. Which is opposed to radical feminism that is more concerned about women as a biological class. As opposed to socialist/marxist feminism which views women as an economic class.

See above!

Lol, same to you.

What do you want, a primer on 2nd and 3rd wave feminist theory? If you think that feminism is just about different ways of hating men, you can't expect anyone to take you seriously.

Lol, you are an idiot. I've pointed out several times feminism is more then just man hate. The man hate just happens to be a big part of it.

 

[Wuornos]

I think this is the only thread on KF where more of the thread is the thread's subject matter having a fit of "nuh uh we're not retards...!"
Feminists are such comically neurotic control freaks, not content with dominating every troon thread they have to come in here with their "akshuly reeee" hysterics.

It must cause a great deal of mental fatigue to keep up the pretence when women in the west hold such an obvious elevated, privileged position to dedicate your mind into believing you're actually some how 'oppressed'. Much like the troons, sub conciously they know how easily their idiology falls apart under the lightest of scutiny, so too must feminists pounce on even the slight dissent just like the troons. It's their MO I've seen elsewhere they've appeared online.

Also lol at they seem to have moved on from calling anyone that disagrees with them an incel to calling them a tranny.

This might come as a shock to you, but the vast majority of women who take issue with troons for obvious reasons are not feminists or lesbians. Men keep saying they're not a monolith. Well, the same applies to women too. It cuts both ways..

As for "privileged position," most of the MRA/MGTOW complaints revolve around the shitty things men do to each other (circumcision, war, inability to talk about personal issues etc) which they bizarrely blame on women, some are just fallacies ("men die at war"...as if children and women don't die in war either) and the rest revolve around their peculiar belief that women having the right to marry whom they choose as legal adults, the right to work, vote, or an equal right to fight for custody of the children they grew, birthed, breastfed and when they provided - in the majority of cases - the lionshare of the childcare somehow constitutes as "misandry" or women having "extra rights."

In my experience, MRAs/MGTOW misogynists have mental health issues and can not take responsibility for their failings, sexual or otherwise, so women have become a convenient bogeyman.

 

[LurkNoMore]

As for "privileged position," most of the MRA/MGTOW complaints revolve around the shitty things men do to each other (circumcision,

Men are asking for their new born sons to be cut? Really. I've never heard of the doctor or nurse asking the father. Only the mother.

war,

Women literally just voted in a warmonger into the presidency of the most powerful nation on the earth. They tried to do the same during the last election as well.

Inability to talk about personal issues etc)

Lol, are you stupid or what? There are thousands of examples of women posting about their boyfriends or husbands talking to them. Opening up and they laugh at them. Seriously.

which they bizarrely blame on women, some are just fallacies ("men die at war"...as if children and women don't die in war either)

Men are the primary victims. That isn't to say children and women are effected.

and the rest revolve around their peculiar belief that women having the right to marry whom they choose as legal adults,

What MRA is against such a right?

an equal right to fight for custody of the children they grew, birthed, breastfed and when they provided - in the majority of cases - the lionshare of the childcare somehow constitutes as "misandry" or women having "extra rights."

US family courts favor the mothers to an absurd degree. Even when the better financial caregiver is the man.

In my experience, MRAs/MGTOW misogynists have mental health issues and can not take responsibility for their failings, sexual or otherwise, so women have become a convenient bogeyman.

Lol, irony. Conflating MRAs and MGTOWs.

 

[LurkNoMore]

*Snip*

Muh, nothing like the taste of a woman's salt!