Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[Scrumption]

To those suggesting that the fat is hormonal, consider the fact that a lot of Jazz's hormones are prescribed. Jeannette pulls all the strings. Were the weight gain a hormonal issue, I suspect that Jeannette would work with Jazz's endocrinologist to sort out the problem. She can't have her prize-winning show pony turn into shrek; it would interfere with the narrative.

On the other hand, if the weight gain is from binge eating or plain over-eating, the solution would involve therapy. Those of us familiar with Jazz and family are well aware that Jazz has an aversion to therapy, and Jeanette would have trouble getting Jazz to open up with a therapist even if she wanted to send Jazz to therapy. There is the risk that the therapist might put ideas in Jazz's head that loosen Jeannette's control over Jazz, and she can't have that happen

 

[NoReturn]

"In general, neutered cats require only 75-80% of the food needed by intact cats to maintain optimal body weight."

There is now a small movement for what is called "hormone-sparing sterilization" which cuts or removes the "horns" of the dog or cat's uterus (since they have Y-shaped reproductive systems where the ovaries are directly connected to the uterus), but leaves the ovaries; like a human bilateral salpingectomy. They have it for male dogs, too. Dog vasectomy.
All this to say that what's happened to Jazz is something that people are actively trying to avoid doing to their pets.

 

[Trianon]

Disagree with your disagree. Castrated dogs, cats, and steers get fat. Eunuchs were known for being fat. And it's not just big, calories consumed don't turn into muscle but flab.

Here's a freaky factoid from the first article on Google: "In general, neutered cats require only 75-80% of the food needed by intact cats to maintain optimal body weight."

One could posit that something in Jazz's male brain is telling him that he needs the (checks Google) 2800 calories per day that the average 20-year-old man should eat, but that's at least a third again more than he should be eating. However, eating 700+ fewer calories a day would put him in constant hunger mode. That's a whole damn meal less per day.

Powerlevel but I went vegan for a month after being vegetarian for years and for the whole month I couldn't stop thinking about food, dreaming about food, obsessing about food. And it wasn't any food, it was fatty, greasy food of the kind I don't normally even like. I hadn't eaten bacon in years and it wasn't something I missed at all, but I couldn't stop thinking about it. I'm not a big ice cream fan but I felt like sitting down with a spoon and a pint of ice cream would be the best time. It was affecting my ability to concentrate on anything else. It was what I imagine a pregnancy craving must be like where my body was demanding these particular calorie-dense foods. So of course after a month of being vegan I decided that torturing myself like this was pointless and probably bad for me and I went back to a modest amount of dairy and eggs and the food obsession stopped.

Jazz has serious issues with food, but it's not clear to me how much of it if any is a problem with willpower or character and how much is a problem with biology.

Yeah, I think it's a combo. Hormones and some antidepressants can mess with your appetite, or at least alter your metabolism enough that what you could once get away with eating without too much gain suddenly starts sticking. But the fact that it isn't something he seems to be dealing with with his doctor (changing medication, getting dietary suggestions, coming up with a low-impact workout plan) means he is letting his emotions drive his weight by not doing anything about it. He just doesn't seem mature enough to think about his health.

As for veganism, any shift in your diet like that will probably result in cravings. It's probably better to wean off a few foods at a time. Seems like you got a good middle ground going.

 

[Xiphias]

One possible reason for all the weight gain after castration is that it means Jazz actually has to pay attention to his exercise and calorie intake to keep a steady weight. We all know in our twenties when we tend to be more active just because we feel like it, burn some calories that way, and keep a healthy weight just by not stuffing ourselves like a pig. But say if someone has depression and isn't moving much, they can't eat like they did before and just assume the calories will get burned up just from going about their daily life. It's like how cats get lazier after getting sterilized, and stop burning so many calories just from not lying around all day, but they still eat like they did before and get fat.

 

[Little Dark Age]

I mean, in addition to being castrated, Jazz openly spoke of and was filmed going on binge-eating runs alone and hoarding food in his room on his own reality show. And talking openly about eating his feelings. It just doesn't seem like a big mystery as to why he's now fat.

Eta: One thing I don't think Jazz will ever do is go the Yas Qween HAES route. He seems so depressed and his cope isn't coming out as weird self-defensive aggression like it does with a Tess Holiday or Virgie Tovar. I could see him doing some corny ~health journey though. Maybe gastric bypass or shilling for a "diet system." For a troon he sure is a normie

 

[Green Panda]

Surgery is this family's answer to everything, so Jazz will be getting bariatric surgery ASAP - probably as part of the upcoming season. Which will eventually fail because he won't have dealt with the underlying issues. In reality the poor kid needs a shit ton of therapy, to be separated from his psycho mother and allowed to grow up as much as he can (though how that works with the brain retardation from the puberty blockers, who knows). It pisses me off that seeing and calling out this shit show for the child abuse that it is makes me a bigot .

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Just because fat lolcows use "muh hormones" as an excuse, it doesn't mean hormones can't affect your weight. As I've mentioned before, they aren't 100% to blame, but they set the scenario for what is happening to Jazz. It's hormones the absolute factor here? No. If Jazz eats less and do some exercise, he'd be ok. But he eats too much, doesn't exercise AND the hormons he takes are affecting his metabolism.

 

[Silent_Watcher]

It'll be fuckin hilarious if Jazz' obesity ends up being the focus of the next season. That's a glaring problem that I think the mom and producers won't ignore. There's a chance that Jazz might go full HAES to deflect scrutiny about her monstrous eating habit but I think Jeannette won't let that happen or at the very least make her feel very uncomfortable. And their argument will be the real crowd-puller for the show

 

[KiwiFuzz]

I am in no way arguing that he isn't fat because he eats more than he should, I am saying that as the only sympathetic cow on this godforsaken forum, there are factors that affect his physique that are insurmountable.

You need oxygen, you need a comfortable temperature, you need water... you will die rapidly without these and your body tells you this in a very insistent manner.

You can technically go three weeks without food before you die, but if his body is telling him that he needs food and it's an emergency, I feel like comparing him to a garden-variety binge eater is really unfair.

There are biological imperatives that drive people. Telling him that there is some personal or moral failure in his getting porky is like telling a teenage girl who gets knocked up that she is a sinner and is going to hell for her bad choices.

Yes, he binge eats. Yes, his mother is a bizznitch. Yes, he has pressures that most of us don't have. Yes, he has been medically cut off from types of adult interaction that bring joy to most of us. Yes, his whole life story is a trail of bad decisions made for him when he was a child.

However, I am positing that his body is telling him that he needs to eat in a way that most people will never understand. He is in a physiological space that very few people are in specifically because people decided that castrating boys was horrifying right around the time that the Americans fought the Civil War because they decided slavery was no longer acceptable. Alessandro Moreschi was castrated in Italy around 1865. I don't think this is coincidental.

Jazz is a castrated steer in a feed lot, and has as many choices about food.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I am in no way arguing that he isn't fat because he eats more than he should, I am saying that as the only sympathetic cow on this godforsaken forum, there are factors that affect his physique that are insurmountable.

You need oxygen, you need a comfortable temperature, you need water... you will die rapidly without these and your body tells you this in a very insistent manner.

You can technically go three weeks without food before you die, but if his body is telling him that he needs food and it's an emergency, I feel like comparing him to a garden-variety binge eater is really unfair.

There are biological imperatives that drive people. Telling him that there is some personal or moral failure in his getting porky is like telling a teenage girl who gets knocked up that she is a sinner and is going to hell for her bad choices.

Yes, he binge eats. Yes, his mother is a bizznitch. Yes, he has pressures that most of us don't have. Yes, he has been medically cut off from types of adult interaction that bring joy to most of us. Yes, his whole life story is a trail of bad decisions made for him when he was a child.

However, I am positing that his body is telling him that he needs to eat in a way that most people will never understand. He is in a physiological space that very few people are in specifically because people decided that castrating boys was horrifying right around the time that the Americans fought the Civil War because they decided slavery was no longer acceptable. Alessandro Moreschi was castrated in Italy around 1865. I don't think this is coincidental.

Jazz is a castrated steer in a feed lot, and has as many choices about food.

He still reminds me of a capon.

 

[behindyourightnow]

Calories are required in order to gain weight. Castrated or not, pumped full of hormones or not, an excess of calories are required in order to get this fat. It is not complicated, although fad diets try to convince otherwise.

That's meaningless in this context though. Hormones and some medications will increase hunger cues leading a person to consume more calories. Even something as simple as an antihistamine medication can change hunger cues (although not dramatically). You can hate on fatties without pretending the body is a simple in/our calorie box with no endocrine influence whatsoever.

To those suggesting that the fat is hormonal, consider the fact that a lot of Jazz's hormones are prescribed. Jeannette pulls all the strings. Were the weight gain a hormonal issue, I suspect that Jeannette would work with Jazz's endocrinologist to sort out the problem. She can't have her prize-winning show pony turn into shrek; it would interfere with the narrative.

Unless the suggested change involved going off hormones altogether, which would be even worse for Jazz's narrative. Alternatively, she doesn't mind Jazz being fat because it's harder for him to flee the nest this way.

 

[Little Dark Age]

That's meaningless in this context though. Hormones and some medications will increase hunger cues leading a person to consume more calories. Even something as simple as an antihistamine medication can change hunger cues (although not dramatically). You can hate on fatties without pretending the body is a simple in/our calorie box with no endocrine influence whatsoever.


Unless the suggested change involved going off hormones altogether, which would be even worse for Jazz's narrative. Alternatively, she doesn't mind Jazz being fat because it's harder for him to flee the nest this way.

Look, I'm not saying the fact that this kid is castrated and pumped full of synthetic hormones and clearly depressed isn't a factor at all. Just that he also regularly binge eats and admits to having problems with food, and so it isn't a mystery as to why he's fat.

This entire sperging sidebar was kicked off by someone saying "you can't gain that much weight that quickly just from food, right?" And the answer is that yes, you can. That's my only point. Regardless or because of the other factors at play triggering your shitty metabolism and your hunger cues etc, you can. Again, yes, the fact that he's a castrated depressive on a pill cocktail IS a factor, but yes, you really can eat enough food that you become spherical over the course of a year or two. That was the question. The answer is that yes, you can. Those hunger cues got answered with food and Jazz got fat because he ate a lot of it.

 

[2020chan]

Look, I'm not saying the fact that this kid is castrated and pumped full of synthetic hormones and clearly depressed isn't a factor at all. Just that he also regularly binge eats and admits to having problems with food, and so it isn't a mystery as to why he's fat.

This entire sperging sidebar was kicked off by someone saying "you can't gain that much weight that quickly just from food, right?" And the answer is that yes, you can. That's my only point. Regardless or because of the other factors at play triggering your shitty metabolism and your hunger cues etc, you can. Again, yes, the fact that he's a castrated depressive on a pill cocktail IS a factor, but yes, you really can eat enough food that you become spherical over the course of a year or two. That was the question. The answer is that yes, you can. Those hunger cues got answered with food and Jazz got fat because he ate a lot of it.

He probably doesn't get much exercise either. All the interference with the medications he takes aren't helping him, some may be contributing to his overeating but some are probably making him feel sluggish and fatigued as well, contributing to him being sedentary.
This poor kid has so many cards stacked against him and his health, even without the medications, going through and recovering from 3 surgeries could make anyone gain some weight. Not only did he have the surgeries, he's on hormones that he shouldn't be on, antidepressants to deal with what should never have happened to him in the first place, a spotlight and pressure from being made into a poster child/spokesman for trooning kids (my autocorrect tried to change "trooning" into "grooming" just now).

Bottom line is this kid and the whole situation is just completely fucked in so many ways.

 

[Shiversblood]

Jazz also lives in the USA. There is something wrong with the food in the United States of America. In no other country on this planet can people gain as much weight as fast as they can in the USA.

 

[Dogfacefuke]

Jazz also lives in the USA. There is something wrong with the food in the United States of America. In no other country on this planet can people gain as much weight as fast as they can in the USA.

There's nothing wrong with the food in the US. It's just like how people say fast food is bad for you. It's not. It's full of tons of nutrients. Our food, preservatives and all, is better than its ever been. People live extremely long lives compared to those in the past in large part because our food supply and nutritional quality became so stellar.

The problem is and always has been with people and their inability to properly control what and how much they eat.

A fast food burgers is a great source of protein and nutrients. You just shouldn't each a shit load of them.

 

[Shiversblood]

There's nothing wrong with the food in the US. It's just like how people say fast food is bad for you. It's not. It's full of tons of nutrients. Our food, preservatives and all, is better than its ever been. People live extremely long lives compared to those in the past in large part because our food supply and nutritional quality became so stellar.

You fool! For the first time in American history since the American civil war the life expectancy of Americans is actually going down because of the food in the USA! People in the USA are actually dying sooner now because of the food in the USA! Obesity is KILLING people in the USA!

 

[sperginity]

Jazz is from a wealthy family and isn't at the mercy of laws about food that create the kinds of problems being debated. He has a problem dealing with life and eats to get away from it, probably because he didn't have enough friends as a teen to develop a substance abuse problem. That's probably in the works though since he has been exposed to pain meds way more than most other people his age, and will turn 21 in october. Whatever happens I just hope Jeannette suffers, thats all that can be hoped for since they yeeted jazz's reproductive organs.

 

[NerdShamer]

Honestly, it's a combination of binge eating and the lack of exercise.

 

[Putin Bot]

You can technically go three weeks without food before you die

Actually you can go much longer, especially if you've got plenty of fat that your body can use for energy. That's what fat is literally designed for. Hell, even normal weight people can go longer than three weeks. The body is extremely resilient, which is why starvation takes a looong time to outright kill a person, and usually you'll die from something else like disease, before you die of true literal starvation.

Honestly, it's a combination of binge eating and the lack of exercise.

This is why Jazz is fat. Sure, being pumped full of female hormones probably isn't helping the situation, but plenty of other troons who went through the same shit as Jazz (ie childhood transition), while gaining some weight as they age, still haven't ballooned up like him, nor so fast.

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

Honestly, it's a combination of binge eating and the lack of exercise.

This. It really is just this simple. Binge eating disorder is a vile condition and can cause very rapid weight gain. A sufferer can take in 5,000 - 10,000 calories in a single binge. I suspect that Jazz is having these binges regularly.

A 5,000 calorie binge will put 1 - 2lb on you, if you don’t do anything to mitigate it, such as not eating the next day. So imagine doing that 3 or 4 times a week and do the math.

Hell, even your average bulimic is likely to be slightly overweight, because even with all that vomiting, they still retain 10-20% of the calories they’ve ingested.

to exacerbate matters, Jazz is clearly sedentary due to the exploding stinkditch curtailing movement. And, yes, I’m sure being a castrato doesn’t help.

but what it really comes down to is the calories. As previously mentioned, BED has a close correlation with childhood trauma especially sexual abuse. I would personally class having your dick cut off and your stinkditch being a topic of conversation on National TV, as sexual abuse. QED.

we are seeing the long term consequences of trooning children. It is a salutary, if chilling lesson. It may not help Jazz, but hopefully other parents will see it and take note.