General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Cubanodun]

Pastebin of transcript for liveTL from Coco's mengen. It's already floating around on 4chan so there's no point in hiding it now. If you want answers, this is the best you're going to get. Coco has nothing to share after this.

10:26:47 Taishi Ch. 神代大使 [EN] Coco: And it's not like the work will disappear. - Pastebin.com

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Funny how she keep repeating that she really want to come back but not now

 

[Slimy Time]

Coco might just go on to stream as kson with the same vibe and energy for the most part but I don't see any of the other JP girls being able to do the same.
People like pekora marine and korone come to mind in that they are able to maintain this energy and persona only by hiding behind the vtuber Avatar. I don't see them carrying the same intensity if they stream with a facecam. And I don't think any of us would be interested in watching them doing neck down streams either

Decided to check out the Kson content. Energy is very similar when she's playing games, which is good if that's what she wants to do.

 

[X-avier cuck]

Very happy to see creative differences was the main reason as suspected, it should hopefully calm fears of some pro-bug fliparoo on Cover's part (although who am I kidding, rrats are contagious and this is KF).

Such a reveal though does lend credence to idea that Haato could be one of the next ones. She's easily one of the more creative talents at the moment and has already been smacked for certain stunts - wouldn't be shocking if she decided in the near future that she's done as much as she can under the Hololive banner, especially with her studies competing for time. I don't personally expect it, but at least we have a better idea of what might drive certain decisions for some of the girls in the next 12-24 months.

Yeah depending on how insidious Cover's new outlook is I say that Marine and Hatto could follow suit which is really unfortunate.
Expect extra Seisho in the near future

 

[AkioDayo]

Yeah depending on how insidious Cover's new outlook is I say that Marine and Hatto could follow suit which is really unfortunate.
Expect extra Seisho in the near future

Fuck that's like, 2 out of 3 I'm a member of. I should start hoarding HDDs to archive their shit.

You're right though, given how Marine's complained about some of her stuff not going through, and Haachama's lore videos nearly getting nuked forever, if other talents are feeling the same way they're at the top of the list of most likely members to retire.

 

[Justtocheck]

Decided to check out the Kson content. Energy is very similar when she's playing games, which is good if that's what she wants to do.

kson - ニコニコ

ksonさんのユーザーページです。twitterやりました。follow me!(*'ω'*)　@ksononair　今はYouTube やmildomで配信していますYouTube　https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ruVYPv7yJmV0Rh0NKA-Lwmildomhttps://www.mildom.com/10882672

www.nicovideo.jp

Her niconico is good. I'm watching her older videos right now. She has such a thicc amercian accent is pretty cute. Quite amazing what 5 years does to someone's speech.

 

[Lyle Delmar Chipperson]

Real "creative differences" won't make say that'd you'd rather wait 500 years before returning to that place.

I think the 500 years comment is playing into her character of a 3500 year old dragon more so than an actual attack on the company. She can't go full Conan vs NBC with this unless she wants to be completely blacklisted from ever working in jap entertainment again.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

that's not even close how it works, and comparing them to their pre-hololive activities where they were one in a sea of many before hololive put them on the map is asinine.
subaru could quit today, start a new channel tomorrow (maybe extra cheeky with a duck avatar) and people would figure out in a matter of days who it is and move over. even faster when hints gets dropped constantly and google's algorithm pushes any and all queries with "subaru new channel" to the top by combing through comments and the internet at large - that's what google does. how do you think people managed to find coco's other channel in the first place? they could even do it while preparing for their graduation depending on their contract or if they don't give a crap.

someone graduating doesn't suddenly delete people's knowledge and the talent's notoriety, nor does it make people stop being fans over night (unless they're really attached to the png), and doesn't mean they have to face stream from now on. claiming they have to start from "square one" is outright stupid.

While you may have point, Coco is a step ahead of the curve because a) she continued to maintain her alternate internet identity even after joining Hololive, and b) it quickly became widely and publicly known, to the point that it was functionally an "open secret". This means that she didn't have to put any work into getting off the ground; she was already there and leaving Hololive basically meant that she didn't skip a beat at all. The only Japanese Hololiver who can say the same is Noel; her identity as Canan is widely known, she still releases videos on her other channel, and her sexy ASMRs are still bringing in dough. She could conceivably leave Hololive tomorrow and be okay. But most of the other Hololive stars have no such guarantee. For many of them, their identities are not as widely known, if they are known at all, they have nowhere near Coco clout or fanbase, and they would have to rebuild their internet persona from scratch, and they couldn't just come out and say "Hey, I used to be with Hololive". The Indonesia Hololivers are even more obscure than the Japanese ones, and I think for a few of them, their identities are still virtual unknowns.

Ironically, I think the Hololivers best prepared to move on from Hololive are the English ones because all of them already have pretty well known independent personas: Karen can just focus entirely on being Demondice (it helps that she never dropped that persona, even as Calli), Kiara still has her Keekihime Youtube channel (though I don't think she's posted anything to it in months), Gura can easily revive her Senzawa persona, and Ame could probably just go back to being Sachiowo (though she was probably the least successful on the HoloEn girls prior to joining Hololive). Ina didn't have that prominent an internet persona prior to Hololive, but she's already a professional artist, so she could just go back to focusing on that full time.

 

[X-avier cuck]

Fuck that's like, 2 out of 3 I'm a member of. I should start hoarding HDDs to archive their shit.

You're right though, given how Marine's complained about some of her stuff not going through, and Haachama's lore videos nearly getting nuked forever, if other talents are feeling the same way they're at the top of the list of most likely members to retire.

I think with this in mind, I don't think most of the girls are going to jump ship just because of the newfound popularity Holo has.
However said popularity is essentially a double-edged sword because now we're not going to be getting any edge.
Which is ironic really.
I'd argue the reason Holo took off in the west was due to the crazy antics of talents like Coco and that resonated with a lot of people.

 

[Least Concern]

Think I'm gonna check out of this thread again 'cuz y'all's doomerposting is starting to get a bit much. I get it; from the EN community's perspective, Coco was a very integral part of Hololive. But I think that proclaiming that her departure is going to lead to the fall of Hololive is both unjustified doomerism and kinda indirectly disrespectful to the bevy of other talent they still have who will still be eager to entertain. Why can't we just take her at her word that she got burned out and it stopped being fun for her anymore? Even without the wumao nonsense, she was definitely pulling over her weight with Asacoco and the Shitpost Reviews and bilingualism - things well beyond "start Live2D, start game, go live." And while those things make her definitely irreplacable, it's also not hard to see how she could get worn down by feeling like she always has to go above and beyond like that. Do we want to force her to continue for our amusement if doing so would make her miserable?

Maybe it's time to let the misery wash away and be excited both for Coco/Kson's future projects as well as what Hololive's other talents are bringing to the table. You don't need copium if you can just see this as a situation which doesn't warrant it in the first place.

Peace.

 

[SparklingWaves]

Yeah depending on how insidious Cover's new outlook is I say that Marine and Hatto could follow suit which is really unfortunate.
Expect extra Seisho in the near future

I do not believe Haato has plans of leaving. I posted about it earlier today, but she has been happy lately and her member posts are all about haaton love. And her streams are the same as usual.
If she can stream tarantula recipes and feet sniffing there's not much restrictions at place right now. Chammers likely has a bit of a special place within hololive because her entire personality is built on being a fucking weirdo - if Cover suddenly blocked all of her crazy content there would be big backlash. It would be like Cover blocking Pekora from playing minecraft, or like the time when Kizuna AI's voice actor changed.
They tried restricting her with the "new rules" earlier this year and it made Haachama take a long break, and eventually the videos got put back online. She even streamed the finale of the schizo arc that Cover initially blocked.
They know she's the mandatory weirdo of the group and just gave up.

Her latest member post DeepL'd:

Dear Haatons!
Haachama is very happy right now!
It's now 3:25 in Japan. Even though it's very late at night, I'm feeling very refreshed.
I've been training and training and training until very late, and I've been working hard. It's great to have something you can give your all to .
I'm thinking of a lot of new projects and collaborations! . I'll do my best to make up for all the work I've put in!
I'm going to do my best for the many things I'm covered in!
May God bless you again today, Haachamachama!"

Does that really sound like someone who's planning to graduate?

 

[kuuu]

I feel like staining some pixels on everyones' monitors with my shitty thoughts and opinions since it's all the rage.

Coco is Coco and Kson isn't Coco. Kson is not a shitposting dragon of Hololive. Coco is. And in a month she'll be gone.

Holos are very talented streaming solo but the collab part is very important. Girls playing off each other, different generations having different dynamics, big production events and many other things make hololive experience what people came to like. A whole damn lot.
Coco had a lot of influence on her fellow coworkers. Feels like she gave them courage to express themselves more freely than they would have otherwise. And so far it worked wonders. Especially in capturing non-JP audience, since we are not that particular about idol stuff. On the contrary. She rarely went out her way to speak a lot of English in parallel to her Japanese, like Kiara(who might not have even existed if it weren't for Coco), but that was more than enough to attract a huge fucking audience and pave way for HoloEN. She can't take all credit for this, since a lot of other talents decided to pander to us. But then again, who was the most probable inspiration for JP girls to do so?

I wonder why Cover was so stubborn about putting limits on one of their most successful talent. I imagine if she were with Anycolor things would have been very different. And possibly Nijisanji wouldn't be lagging behind Hololive in English-speaking audience. Possibly even surpassing them.
But alas, we live in a timeline where mentioning a country can lead to such tragic and bullshit series of events that can grind up even the strongest individuals.

I wish the dumbest and most uncalled for china thing didn't happen and maybe Coco would have had enough spunk to stream for a year or two longer despite management trying to restrict her.

This month and probably a month after will be pretty hard. Watching Coco stream without counting days when she's gone forever is impossible.

Best of luck to her, and obviously keeping tabs on her general happenings will be a cinch solely due to a couple of individuals keeping everyone posted here. Unless this thread finally meets its doom at some point.

P.S. Frankly, I can't say I care much about watching chuubas' roommates. Kinda beats the whole purpose and charm of Vtubing. Without avatar girls aren't any different from your run of the mill twitch thots.
If you care about chuubas' roommates beyond sating your curiosity you are doing chuubas wrong.

 

[Autistic AT-ST]

Nigga, I just like takamiya rion. Why is there such elaborate fanfiction here?

 

[ZMOT]

The “square one” is admittedly hyperbolic, but I don’t trust the average everyday, goes-to-Reddit viewer to do enough digging or even pay attention to the obvious hints dropped by the algorithm. Even with Kson being the open secret it is, I’ve gone onto YouTube comment sections of clips relating to Coco’s graduation where many users still had to ask what people in the know was winking and nudging each other about. It could be another Senzawa where the rest of your fanbase eventually catches on, but it’ll be from a less advantageous position to do it.

sooner or later someone will spill the beans/spoonfeed, and it will snowball from there. if they want to find it (and the talent itself throws out enough hints) people will find it, if youtube doesn't push the the new channel outright into recommendations because the algorithm knows it's connected and "relevant to your interests" or some doxxer thinks he's smart shitting out another video etc.

if it's on the internet, it's public, same applies here. if they can find celebrity porn tapes they should be able find a vtuber's alternate/new persona.

it will have an affect on their user numbers, if that was part of what you meant, but if they come off hololive they should be fine till numbers pick back up and after a certain point any additional money is just pocket change anyway.

While you may have point, Coco is a step ahead of the curve because a) she continued to maintain her alternate internet identity even after joining Hololive, and b) it quickly became widely and publicly known, to the point that it was functionally an "open secret". This means that she didn't have to put any work into getting off the ground; she was already there and leaving Hololive basically meant that she didn't skip a beat at all. The only Japanese Hololiver who can say the same is Noel; her identity as Canan is widely known, she still releases videos on her other channel, and her sexy ASMRs are still bringing in dough. She could conceivably leave Hololive tomorrow and be okay. But most of the other Hololive stars have no such guarantee. For many of them, their identities are not as widely known, if they are known at all, they have nowhere near Coco clout or fanbase, and they would have to rebuild their internet persona from scratch, and they couldn't just come out and say "Hey, I used to be with Hololive". The Indonesia Hololivers are even more obscure than the Japanese ones, and I think for a few of them, their identities are still virtual unknowns.

Ironically, I think the Hololivers best prepared to move on from Hololive are the English ones because all of them already have pretty well known independent personas: Karen can just focus entirely on being Demondice (it helps that she never dropped that persona, even as Calli), Kiara still has her Keekihime Youtube channel (though I don't think she's posted anything to it in months), Gura can easily revive her Senzawa persona, and Ame could probably just go back to being Sachiowo (though she was probably the least successful on the HoloEn girls prior to joining Hololive). Ina didn't have that prominent an internet persona prior to Hololive, but she's already a professional artist, so she could just go back to focusing on that full time.

my point is they don't have to "go back" to their old identities or have them be known. they are big enough (most of them at least) that they can start new and immediately will have a chunk of fans following them once the connection is known.
even when they tried to keep information under wraps, just look what people have been digging up. you honestly believe someone with 600k+ subs can just vanish and no one will look into it?

 

[horni]

KSON used to play some odd games and her first tweet after the announcement was literally "dicks":

so her stating she felt constrained makes perfect sense to me.

By the way:

 

[RainwaterDrop]

Coco's stream description really saddens me again
"Proud to be member of Hololive 4th gen"

Interestingly, when Coco made her announcement, Kakage, one of the two illustrators whose design is used for the audition characters, tweeted something that when translated by the app goes like "the next one is the Princess". I don't know whether it means literally, or figuratively

Is this what people said that when someone is grieving, they come up with lots of scenarios in their head to cope?

The human brain is a generous organ - whenever those intense moments arrive, people end up thinking a lot, and the brain helps in fueling these crazy ass ideas to deal with them. We saw people talking about Cover going bankrupt after this, for instance. This shit is nuts.

 

[Justtocheck]

Nigga, I just like takamiya rion. Why is there such elaborate fanfiction here?

If you like someone just post about her and others you like. Post links, videos, your opinions, why we should all like her, and get us hooked. It wouldn't be bad tbh, with all the fucking tears and doom and copium. (justified tbh) But please, don't start complaining before you reach 15 posts in this website, newfag.

 

[Edforedward]

I mean keep in mind, we're talking about a Japanese business here. They are a very, very conservative society who frowns upon change and people rocking the boat. It goes beyond YouTube's copyright/creative freedom policies I think. Just so happens that Coco's an American who's not afraid to take risks and do something different.

I feel like Youtube definitely played role for Cover to become what it is now . Almost every member in the first three generations had been blasted by demonetization one way or the other. I think Cover originally hired Coco exactly because they were looking for ways to be innovative and she was right up their Alley.
But it is apparent that they had slowly became more conservative over the time. Maybe it's because all the previous shit storm got them paranoid or their core value changed after having expanded so significantly. But unfortunately for Coco, their new approach is no longer suitable for talents like her.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

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Congrats on losing your biggest cash cow and number one talent. Free meme.

Edit: People, I know we are still all under copium a bit still, but let's not be uncritical with our thoughts. Real "creative differences" won't make say that'd you'd rather wait 500 years before returning to that place. Jesus, the nip companies are terrible. They put all these restriction with collabs and rules and shit, and then when the chinamen attack, they leave you to hang? Bravo. You get what you deserve. Enjoy the paycut.

They seriously underestimated both how vicious and disgusting those red piles of shit could be and how much their talent could take on stride.

They really need to step up on the well being of their talent, otherwise Coco is just the beginning of the end at the very least.

 

[Grass4Cats]

The human brain is a generous organ - whenever those intense moments arrive, people end up thinking a lot, and the brain helps in fueling these crazy ass ideas to deal with them. We saw people talking about Cover going bankrupt after this, for instance. This shit is nuts.

It also helps that this is probably the first time they experienced the true graduation of a Hololive member so yeah.

 

[Tatsunoko]

I feel like staining some pixels on everyones' monitors with my shitty thoughts and opinions since it's all the rage.

Coco is Coco and Kson isn't Coco. Kson is not a shitposting dragon of Hololive. Coco is. And in a month she'll be gone.

We're talking about kson, she literally got her Mildom account temporarily suspended because she played some weird-ass nude Painkiller-like arena shooter. (The archive has been deleted I'm pretty sure for obvious reasons) And one of the first game she played after that said suspension was Genital Jousting. She's definitely a meme lord even though she doesn't make a weekly show reviewing them.

Edit: The game was Super Kinky, I had to go through her Twitter.