E3 2021 Griefing Thread - Now with more nigger pandering, does anyone even care about most of the games displayed here seriously? (Spoiler alert Nintendo won lol)

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Doom clones was the word used before First person Shooter became the norm, because many shooting games like Quake started to play closer to their own thing and not like Doom.

I thought they were called Doom clones because they literally used the Wolfenstein/Doom engines.

Same for Halo because they used the two weapon system/regen shields.

 

[Judge Dredd]

I thought they were called Doom clones because they literally used the Wolfenstein/Doom engines.

Same for Halo because they used the two weapon system/regen shields.

It's a little of both. At one time, every open world game was a "GTA clone", every FPS a "Doom clone".

I think you make some fantastic points. As we get older we will get less and less content (games, movies, books, etc.) directed towards us. The industry by nature has to cater to 18-25 year olds. I still think it's oversimplifying something with many moving parts.

When I stated they had to try harder back then, I meant just creatively. Everything now is typically a remake, sequel, or copying something else successful. Granted you had copycats back in the day but there was at least it wasn't at blatant most of the time. All battle royale games are the same game with minor differences.

Or perhaps I'm just an old man and out of touch....no..it's the children that are wrong.

Oh, there were copycats. Do you think platformers and fighting games were so common as that was the cutting edge, or was it because Mario, Sonic, Mortal Kombat, and Street Fighter was making lots of money?

But I will defend your old man nostalgia.

Here's the thing, going back and playing games on the Spectrum or C64 doesn't appeal to me because such games, while interesting technically, are only good as 5 minute distractions. Playing new games, they feel like I'm being exploited or talked down to.

Yet I can go back to games from the 16 bit age to early PS4 and have a great time. Even for games I have no nostalgia for. All I have to do is look past some dated graphics.

One way to think of it is the way The Twilight Zone holds up all these years later, but many young people (including myself when I was a kid) won't watch it because it's black and white. It's like how most movies today are wokeshit, capeshit, or cgi-shit, but I'm still finding films from the 80s and 90s I like.


We're not like Moviebob or Nintendo fans who reject anything made after the release of the playstation that isn't first party Nintendo outright. I'm still hyped for the few new games that look fun, it's just that the percentage of shit to quality is currently weighted heavily towards shit at the moment.

 

[Dark Edea]

REEEEEE FUCK YOU @Cool Dog

I'M NOT DUMB. YOU'RE DUMB!!!

(blame the nigger jannies for taking away my ability to carpet bomb profile pages)

 

[Marissa Moira]

it's just that the percentage of shit to quality is currently weighted heavily towards shit at the moment.

I dunno I think that's subjective. It seems to be the same shit to quality ratio we've had for decades IMO.

Like the 90's had the 3DO, Sega 32x, Sega CD, Sega Saturn, those were all hot streams of shit in the US.

And that's even before getting to things like the Virtual Boy, Sega Pico, and edutainment software games which all existed in that era. There was also Tiger Electronic handhelds, Atari Jaguar, and the Gamegear.

You've just blocked out the bad games from your memory. Much like how Neo geo and PC Engine/TG16 are not part of mainstream nostalgia despite also existing at the same points in time due to their higher price tag.

 

[Cool Dog]

It was a weird time for gaming, people really took Ebert's "a video game is not art" comment personally and tried to "prove" him wrong.

Given that a fucking banana taped to a wall is "art" now then Sonic 2 is a van gogh

Most of the games are art! was coping by game devs whose parents said "this is tim, he makes those electronic toys weird kids like". I literally knew one dev who was really sperging about it back in the day because his brother worked at a major national newspaper, his cousins had an engineering firm and he was the one making shitty indie games nobody played

It was also the time that "modern gaming sucks" really took off in a big way as a meme and people tried to recapture the spirit of the 8 bit/16 bit era.

I dont remember that being a thing outside of gamer circles who of course got blasted by the media for going against what their industry paymasters wanted

If you mean 8bit style then thats another thing entirely since those games were closer to the likes of the Saturn in what was displayed on screen, no fucking was a Nes or a Genesis would've been able to run those games

Gamers really used to eat, sleep and breath video games, there was a time in which any carpet baggers that showed up were told to fuck off, but the Woke kept using the "muh sexism and racism" card over and over and any ability to rationally debate things was lost.

The problem is that those groups used that bullshit to climb the corporate ladder and now are in control, they are playing the long con and making more money than the devs who actually make the fucking games while ordering them around

It's true, what we call "Woke" is one great big scam, it's a scam for money and it's a scam for power, it's sociopathic people preying on others' empathy to create a shield in order to get away with their con jobs, it's disgusting that people are allowed to get away with it.

Not empathy, fear. If it was empathy they would appeal to people, not threatening them with cancel culture and blacklist people that disagree with them, which is why most of the industry fell in line with their dogma

I can't go into too much detail or provide proof without power leveling too much, but my great grandad was a very successful businessman, we're talking a millionaire, but my great grandad died prematurely and my granddad had a gambling addiction and pissed all that money away long before I was born.

If you go back enough everybody had a super wealthy relative who then pissed the money away. I could also be super rich and wasnt because of similar circumstances involving a great-great grandmother's will and her greedy sons, not gonna powerlevel either but again similar situation

Thing is I could really use that money now since my country is going to shit like Venezuela and I need to get out for real, not like SJWs saying they had to leave the country because of Trump

That's why I liked Halo and that's why I liked Gears, as cheesy as it was Gears actually did expect you to care about it's story and characters, the polar opposite of what Epic is making today.

The og Gears trilogy really tried to get something going with the fascism angle and background but it lost that and instead its remembered for shit like coltrain's VA. Back then cliffyB still had his shit together, but then he drank the SJW koolaid. The new games are trying to be 2serious4you and fail completely. The gameplay is also bland and boring, theres no intensity to it

31, I only truly started to feel like I was losing the plot in 2017 with the rise of PUBG and Fortnite

See I actually dont have a problem with those games, I remember looking at DayZ and thinking "this would be more fun without the zombies" and I guess I was right but I didnt have the money nor connections to make it. Plus freemium games require tons of investment to get the ball rolling and you only start raking in the cash once enough people are playing it and paying for lootboxes and other shit. Same with fortnite, plus with the pixar-esque style and bright colors it was a given kids would love that

What I really didnt get back in the day was minecraft, it seemed boring as fuck, same with other build&survive games like rust and that other one I cant remember because idgaf. When they shoved that on fallout4 with the settlements it was jarring. I liked the weapon building part but DeadSpace 3 did that better, much better

Streamers is another trend that made me fell out of place, I didnt get why so many people were watching (and paying!) others to play games instead of playing the games themselves. Then it hit me that a lot of kids watching pewdiepie thought he was like a friend to them and they were lonely af IRL, and thats why they were watching him, same reason why simps pay thots thinking thats like having a girlfriend

But now the fad games like Among Us keep coming and I don't care

TBH fallguys was way more fad-ish, also agar.io

TLOU2 especially was a real "yeah, fuck this" moment, as a big fan of the first game I waited years for that sequel only for it to have a message of violence aimed at guys like me, if that's the future of gaming I want no part in it.

Eh, tlou1 was kind of a disappointment for me too, it wasnt a bad game but the AI was a bit shit and the downgrade from the demos was too noticeable. The problem is that it got blown out of proportion by the corrupt press, was called the "citizen kane of games" (and the sequel the schindler's list of games) when in reality it was specops:the line but with zombies, and that game had also been overhyped and I remember reaching the ripoff of fight club that was the ending and thinking "who the fuck can praise this?"

One year later gaymergays happened and it all became clear. And from the very first trailer you could tell tlou2 was going to be infested with sjw faggotry

This is nothing new with video games. The industry has always gone through style and tone changes. Most normal people stop being dedicated to games once they hit their 30's. At best they might just play a few niche titles that appeal to them. (or sports titles I guess for the real hardcore normies)

Isnt the average gamer age like 35?

Games as a service and Esports are the future for at least the next 5 years sadly

I dont think those are going away any time, freemium is just too profitable and its only gonna get worse with cloud gaming. I thought stadia shitting the bed was the end of it but other companies are still pushing for it, and its gonna suck because if that goes mainstream then expect many games to be cloud-only and thus designed to only run on custom servers

Cloud service goes down and those games are lost forever

It's normal. The new generation likes a new type of game and our generation just doesn't see the fun in it.

As far as the idea of the industry having to "try harder" back in the day

The industry got consolidated, many companies are gone (accolade, acclaim, THQ) or reduced to a shadow of their former self (Sega, SNK) and the ones that remain are too big and comfortable to try new things so they play it safe and put profitability over innovation. You see the same shit in other industries like cars, movies, music, etc. Remember the craziness of the PC industry in the 80s and 90s? nobody does that anymore, all computers are the same now

Look at apple and all the new shit they made in the late 90s and early 00s, the cube, the G4 imac, the clamshell ibooks, where is that innovation now? the new imac its basically the same design as the G5 from 15 years ago, apple got big after the iphone so they dont care anymore, money keeps flowing in anyway, normalfags keep buying their shit no matter what

Same with vidya, ps4 was a repackaged PCs, same with the ps5, sony wont even risk something like the cell processor anymore, and neither does microsoft.

Nintendo, frens. Just put your faith in Nintendo.

Bruh nintendo is literally the apple of gaming, they would've gone broke long ago if it wasnt for their rabid fanbase and lack of competition in the portable space

But the fact is, no matter what, the industry would have never stayed in the same spot and we would have been disappointed with where it went.

I disagree, games are made by a marketing committee now, not by devs who are also gamers, thats why it all feels the same, thats why most games are 'press A to win', QTEs, A to skip level, story mode where you just watch a movie, etc

 

[X Pac Heat]

Isnt the average gamer age like 35?

The average gamer doesn't obsess over games. They typically play something on their phone on the shitter for a few minutes or they only play like 3 games a year. (typically a sport title, a shooter and one of the big hyped holiday releases)

When I say they start walking away from games in their 30's, I mean they stop obsessing over games in their 30s not that they stop playing them entirely.

This is why I recommend Dom stop focusing so much on games as his main hobby. He should find the few games he does like, but accept that the industry is going to continue going in different directions he will probably not enjoy so he should focus on the few games that comes out that he does enjoy.

 

[Cool Dog]

The average gamer doesn't obsess over games. They typically play something on their phone on the shitter for a few minutes or they only play like 3 games a year. (typically a sport title, a shooter and one of the big hyped holiday releases)

When I say they start walking away from games in their 30's, I mean they stop obsessing over games in their 30s not that they stop playing them entirely.

This is why I recommend Dom stop focusing so much on games as his main hobby. He should find the few games he does like, but accept that the industry is going to continue going in different directions he will probably not enjoy so he should focus on the few games that comes out that he does enjoy.

I dont think that age stat includes normies playing candycrush but I agree that having one single hobby its not great for you

 

[X Pac Heat]

I dont think that age stat includes normies playing candycrush but I agree that having one single hobby its not great for you

It absolutely does.

How do you think they got the stat that like 50% of all gamers are female?

And yeah, getting people to step back from their hobbies is something I've been trying to get across for a few years now. The hardcore and obsessive are never the ones who are catered to or marketed towards, unfortunately so getting into something hardcore typically leads to disappointment down the line.

 

[Dark Edea]

Bruh nintendo is literally the apple of gaming, they would've gone broke long ago if it wasnt for their rabid fanbase and lack of competition in the portable space

Your point about going broke is inaccurate. Generally speaking Nintendo has been notable for selling most of its hardware at a profit and generating profit year over year. Additionally, "if it wasn't for their rabid fanbase" is a strange argument against Nintendo or any company really. They have earned loyal customers... that's great! You can't begrudge them for that. And a lack of competition in the handheld gaming arena is hardly their fault. It also doesn't reflect a reality in which Nintendo has had competition in the handheld market consistently over decades. And despite years of Nintendo showing others how to find success with handheld games, the competition has not been up to snuff.

It speaks to the general quality of the product that Nintendo releases and the appeal that those products have to specific demographics. They're doing their job as a business pretty well. You don't have to like their product or enjoy the design paradigms that Nintendo employs, but your points against them are puerile at best and not borne out by the facts.

Also I feel like I should let you know that I am not autistic. Some people like to jerk me around and say that I am and I asked them to stop it. But now you know. Me. Not autistic. Not in the least. I would have told you this on your profile page like I usually do, but nigger jannies took away my ability to do that. Nigger jannies. Am I right??

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I dont think that age stat includes normies playing candycrush but I agree that having one single hobby its not great for you

Even if it doesn't, the idea that the average gamer only plays a yearly sport title and then like a Ubisoft/EA/Activision title is absolutely correct.

Just look at most of the bundles people try to sell on ebay/facebook marketplace. It's always like a PS4 and then like every yearly Madden with GTA, CoD and maybe Assassins Creed peppered in.

 

[Marissa Moira]

How do you think they got the stat that like 50% of all gamers are female?

Those numbers were more than fudged.

They didn't just include IOS games, but going to an eatery or a mall that had an arcade machine made you a gamer. You didn't even need to play it. This is also why they included youtube videos as a viable option, if you watch gameplay you're a gamer.

 

[Cool Dog]

It absolutely does.

How do you think they got the stat that like 50% of all gamers are female?

IIRC the 35yo stat goes back to 2005 or so, might have gone higher by now

It makes perfect sense since people at that age have tons of disposable income and can buy way more games than kids and teens who still depend on their parents, or a broke-ass 20yo right out of college

Your point about going broke is inaccurate. Generally speaking Nintendo has been notable for selling most of its hardware at a profit and generating profit year over year. Additionally, "if it wasn't for their rabid fanbase" is a strange argument against Nintendo or any company really. They have earned loyal customers... that's great! You can't begrudge them for that. And a lack of competition in the handheld gaming arena is hardly their fault. It also doesn't reflect a reality in which Nintendo has had competition in the handheld market consistently over decades. And despite years of Nintendo showing others how to find success with handheld games, the competition has not been up to snuff.

It speaks to the general quality of the product that Nintendo releases and the appeal that those products have to specific demographics. They're doing their job as a business pretty well. You don't have to like their product or enjoy the design paradigms that Nintendo employs, but your points against them are puerile at best and not borne out by the facts.

Also I feel like I should let you know that I am not autistic. Some people like to jerk me around and say that I am and I asked them to stop it. But now you know. Me. Not autistic. Not in the least. I would have told you this on your profile page like I usually do, but nigger jannies took away my ability to do that. Nigger jannies. Am I right??

Sega had a fanbase but it wasnt nearly as fanatic, when the 32X and Saturn bombed a lot of people left and never came back. The Dreamcast got people on board because it was truly great with an amazing library, and even then it didnt get enough users to keep Sega from going broke. A lot of PS2 users moved to the X360 when that one was better than PS3 (at first), then shifted back to PS4, etc. But Nintendo fans never do that, not even after complete fuckups like the Virtualboy and the Wiiu which were comparable to Sega's. They stick around no matter what, just like apple users who keep buying overpriced shit even after the antennagate and battery fiascos. And much like apple's nintendo products are overpriced, the switch is a tablet with a 720p screen that retails at ipad prices, most of its library are heavily downgraded ports or shovelware, the truly great games on it are the usual few nintendo titles just like in the N64. But the fans keep buying it, despite the price staying the same, despite the launch problems, despite the joycon drift. They will defend anything because BRAND

And shitposting on my profile page its a really autistic thing to do

 

[X Pac Heat]

It makes perfect sense since people at that age have tons of disposable income

lol wut? people at that age typically have way less disposable income due to family and home ownership and the bills associated with it.

The average gamer isn't an incel, believe it or not.

 

[Cool Dog]

lol wut? people at that age typically have way less disposable income due to family and home ownership and the bills associated with it.

The average gamer isn't an incel, believe it or not.

You dont have to be an incel to not have kids at that age, and you probably already have a steady job with a good salary instead of being an unpaid intern

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

New Painkiller coming.

 

[X Pac Heat]

You dont have to be an incel to not have kids at that age,

I can see I hit a cord, but you are aware the average person typically does have kids by age 35, correct?

 

[Dark Edea]

IIRC the 35yo stat goes back to 2005 or so, might have gone higher by now

It makes perfect sense since people at that age have tons of disposable income and can buy way more games than kids and teens who still depend on their parents, or a broke-ass 20yo right out of college

Sega had a fanbase but it wasnt nearly as fanatic, when the 32X and Saturn bombed a lot of people left and never came back. The Dreamcast got people on board because it was truly great with an amazing library, and even then it didnt get enough users to keep Sega from going broke. A lot of PS2 users moved to the X360 when that one was better than PS3 (at first), then shifted back to PS4, etc. But Nintendo fans never do that, not even after complete fuckups like the Virtualboy and the Wiiu which were comparable to Sega's. They stick around no matter what, just like apple users who keep buying overpriced shit even after the antennagate and battery fiascos. And much like apple's nintendo products are overpriced, the switch is a tablet with a 720p screen that retails at ipad prices, most of its library are heavily downgraded ports or shovelware, the truly great games on it are the usual few nintendo titles just like in the N64. But the fans keep buying it, despite the price staying the same, despite the launch problems, despite the joycon drift. They will defend anything because BRAND

And shitposting on my profile page its a really autistic thing to do

You don't seem to have an understanding about why SEGA encountered problems concerning its hardware. The primary issue was that they began fracturing their fanbase by releasing different hardware in rapid succession; compounded with an additional fracturing of their software development base. Customers were given several different and expensive systems over the span of only a couple of years and developers were subsequently required to focus development on one system or another without much guidance from SEGA as to which system was the primary unit. Customers and developers alike were left asking the same questions: do I get a Genesis or a Genesis with the 32x or a Saturn or a Dreamcast?

Customers can't reliably be expected to get them all, especially at the prices being asked. And developers cannot develop for each system simultaneously and expect to turn a profit. Combine that whole mess with the unfortunate reality that SEGA as a first party developer struggled and still struggles with creating compelling games beyond the scope of the 16-bit era, though that last part may be somewhat subjective.

Also I told you, I am not autistic. Funposting in user profiles is what I do to pass the time. Until the nigger jannies unjustly took that ability away from me. Nigger jannies will pay! Also FUCK YOU @Billy_Sama FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!! I AM NOT MAD. YOU ARE YOU FAGGOT!!!! Not mad. Not autistic.

So yeah man. I appreciate your commentary on Nintendo and SEGA but I think you might be well-served to study more of what was happening back then. You seem to have knowledge about various pieces of events, but little understanding of the context. But I don't mind chatting with you about it. Some of it is really interesting stuff.

 

[Broseph]

The last Time E3 was good was when the Simpsons still had quality episodes.

So 1997?

 

[Broseph]

I can't wait to see EA not remaster the Dead Space trilogy, Capcom not announce a Mega Man Legends collection or Marvel vs Capcom collection, Square Enix not showing us anything from FF7 Remake part 2, and Nintendo cucking us again with more overpriced Zelda "remasters" and nothing on BOTW 2, again.

 

[Broseph]

Im so fucking tired of these companies making everything have to be just about negros or women.

Naughty Dog in a nutshell.