Why assume we "go anywhere" when we die?

[RMQualtrough]

If all of reality is fundamentally one thing, then where "else" is there to go?

It is impossible to "come out" of it, or to "go back" to it because we are inside it and made of it... So always are and always were fundamentally it.

Consider: When only one thing exists (metaphorical God), there is no space to allow creation to be placed somewhere "else", so it must be created inside of itself. There is nothing "else" with which to craft something from, so it must be created of itself.

That fundamental reality is where we are right now...

Like when you dream at night, you are in a rich environment with sights, sounds, characters, yet the entire time you are actually lying in bed... Envision this reality as a larger scale dream. We see a universe around us, but are actually metaphorically asleep in a metaphorical bed. We have never left there. We are always there and always will be.

 

[Calvin Coolidge]

"When only one thing exists..." has a series of assumptions built in. "...no space..." likewise.

What you want is an immanent god. Most people believe in a transcendent god--one separate from creation. If separate, there are or can be "places".

 

[Analog Devolved]

Sounds like someone has been reading too much Spinoza.

 

[RMQualtrough]

"When only one thing exists..." has a series of assumptions built in. "...no space..." likewise.

What you want is an immanent god. Most people believe in a transcendent god--one separate from creation. If separate, there are or can be "places".

Well the no-space applies to a fundamental creationist God too. The first cause.

Say it is the Christian God. It creates space and time, it exists outside those confines, so is existent prior to both space and time.

There is nowhere "else" to place something because Christian God is the only thing that exists. There is nothing "else" to make anything from because Christian God is the only thing that exists.

Christian God would only be able to begin creation inside itself and made of itself.

Unless you do not assign first cause to it and have it as a kind of Deist proposal.

 

[Smolrolls]

Because there's something to look up, something to strive towards to, in this gay-clown world.

Because there's something down there to push us up to be our best selves should we fail or think of doing something stupid.

Because should we fail, well we got someone who'll forgive us and tell us to get back up, even if our families, friends, and the world think there's no helping us.

 

[RMQualtrough]

Because there's something to look up to in this gay-clown world.

Because there's something down there to push us up to be our best selves should we fail or think of doing something stupid.

Because should we fail, well we got someone who'll forgive us and tell us to get back up, even if our families, friends, and the world think there's no helping us.

Well whatever the case, there's a possibility you don't have as much faith in yourself as you ought to. Without something down there, I'm sure you wouldn't suddenly rape and pillage.

 

[Smolrolls]

Well whatever the case, there's a possibility you don't have as much faith in yourself as you ought to. Without something down there, I'm sure you wouldn't suddenly rape and pillage.

I mean't there's a hell down there waiting for those that do and think about pillaging and raping.

 

[Troonos]

Because the thought of eternal unconsciousness drives people insane.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I suppose there's many angles on the "why" in regards to the desire for, not belief in, an afterlife.
Most people do not have a fulfilling life and wish for either a continuation or vast improvement of what they have, depending on the situation, which is unfortunately rooted in their inaction. There's always the want for salvation or the fear of eternal punishment, but it's largely based on selfish comforts as opposed to simply falling asleep for the last time.

As to if it exists or even can exist - I hope we never find out. It's the one thing that, potentially, cannot be "spoiled" for lack of a better term, in our unending search for knowledge.

 

[RMQualtrough]

Because the thought of eternal unconsciousness drives people insane.

But fundamentally speaking, we are there right now. Like the thing about the dream and the bed. We never left nothingness, that is the place where our true nature resides.

If there is only one thing, you are not separate from it, you are it. For You (capital Y) to go anywhere (like non-existence) there would need to be something/somewhere "else" for you to go...

To be afraid of eternal unconsciousness you must misidentify your true nature.

E.g. the idea of no consciousness is kinda flawed on a few grounds. From the point of metaphorical-God, there is no time only Now. The book is already written so to speak, and time is merely a turning of the pages to give a an illusion of the creation and vanishing of a moment... You are conscious right now. Given no time exists at the absolute level (time is not first cause) you can see eternity as a point or block. This moment is eternally engraved onto this block. It never goes anywhere.

Second of all there is a flaw of assumption that your consciousness can end rather than just a localization of it... Imagine for a moment a dream of a beach, the very second you see the beach you are localized somewhere inside of it. This creates an appearance of duality with observed (the beach) and observer... When localization (so for example your brain and everything you) ends, you are as the term would suggest, no longer "local" but everywhere and everything. And like the beach dream, that means you are unable to experience anything.

There can be no experience of nonduality. As such when all localized experience vanishes like when we are given general anaesthesia, we simply "skip forward" in time. We never experience a gap or interruption of consciousness. To believe it is possible to actually experience non-existence is false, but we do like to envision a black nothing. That is not right, eternity would happen INSTANTLY, not even in the smallest measure of time available. Literally no-time. Instantaneous.

But in any case loss of this localized self does not mean what you fundamentally are loses consciousness. Your localization does of course. But you were only a thought, and many more localizations will appear.

What is "seeing through your eyes"? What is "hearing through your ears"? We say our brain or our self. But consider that it is in fact metaphorical-God. And you (the brain) are merely attached to the vessel through which this localized form of experience takes place.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

Because most humans aren't capable of accepting a reality where their biologically programmed worst fears will come to pass regardless of whatever they do.

Mental illness and chronic depression has long been correlated with higher intelligence; even folk knowledge has recorded this for a while in expressions such as "Ignorance is bliss".

Most people need something to believe and to give them hope. Staving off one of the biggest fears, death, is near universal in appeal.

There are a few who don't, but that's more a question of strength of character than anything else.

 

[Dom Cruise]

It makes zero sense if you ask me for your consciousness to just go "poof", the fact that you're thinking right now means it's not just going to disappear, it's impossible to imagine because it is impossible.

I think when we go to sleep and dream we're already visiting the afterlife, I had an uncle who died of a stroke in 2017, I've had him since visit me in dreams, I don't mean to "Chicken Soup For The Soul" this as he acted confused, like he didn't know what was going on, as I imagine someone who suddenly had a stroke out of the blue and went into a coma before brain death would feel, but these dreams felt real, like he was actually there, I myself was confused, not realizing I was dreaming, I was like "John (my uncle's name) we thought you were dead, what are you doing here?" he just showed up at my home out the blue acting confused and I was confused as well, it all felt so real, when I woke up I was half asleep and in that space between being asleep and awake I thought I heard his voice talking to me, though I couldn't make out what he was trying to say.

One day I'll join him in whatever the afterlife is I guess.

I think the true nature of reality is that it's a vast, endless sea, it's infinite, we could never even begin to comprehend it's depth, it's turtles all the way down as the saying goes but somewhere in that sea our minds go on forever.

 

[RMQualtrough]

It makes zero sense if you ask me for your consciousness to just go "poof", the fact that you're thinking right now means it's not just going to disappear, it's impossible to imagine because it is impossible.

I think when we go to sleep and dream we're already visiting the afterlife, I had an uncle who died of a stroke in 2017, I've had him since visit me in dreams, I don't mean to "Chicken Soup For The Soul" this as he acted confused, like he didn't know what was going on, as I imagine someone who suddenly had a stroke out of the blue and went into a coma before brain death would feel, but these dreams felt real, like he was actually there, I myself was confused, not realizing I was dreaming, I was like "John (my uncle's name) we thought you were dead, what are you doing here?" he just showed up at my home out the blue acting confused and I was confused as well, it all felt so real, when I woke up I was half asleep and in that space between being asleep and awake I thought I heard his voice talking to me, though I couldn't make out what he was trying to say.

One day I'll join him in whatever the afterlife is I guess.

I think the true nature of reality is that it's a vast, endless sea, it's infinite, we could never even begin to comprehend it's depth, it's turtles all the way down as the saying goes but somewhere in that sea our minds go on forever.

"Our minds" or just "Mind" I wonder...

What if your Uncle was just a concept, and where he is now is literally one with the same thing that is looking through your eyes at this screen?

When localization ends (e.g. your Uncle), there is nowhere "else" for him to go, because there is only one thing and that is where we all are right now as per the dream and bed.

Localization is required for experience, but we reside in nonduality. That irreducible singular thing is what is everything and what experiences everything. There is no you. You are in the same place your Uncle is in. You and your Uncle are God and that is what sees hears touches loves fears (etc) through your empty vessel.

 

[Dom Cruise]

"Our minds" or just "Mind" I wonder...

What if your Uncle was just a concept, and where he is now is literally one with the same thing that is looking through your eyes at this screen?

When localization ends (e.g. your Uncle), there is nowhere "else" for him to go, because there is only one thing and that is where we all are right now as per the dream and bed.

Localization is required for experience, but we reside in nonduality. That irreducible singular thing is what is everything and what experiences everything. There is no you. You are in the same place your Uncle is in. You and your Uncle are God and that is what sees hears touches loves fears (etc) through your empty vessel.

This is definitely something I've thought about myself, that everything is actually just the same thing, I am God, you are are God, God is us, everything is the same thing, I am you, you are me.

This universe is just my dream, I am the center of the universe, but you are the center of the universe and I am just your dream.

As much as I miss the 2000s the atheists of the 2000s were the biggest fucking idiots, why wouldn't the nature of reality be some weird ass shit? Why wouldn't God be real? Why wouldn't the afterlife be real? Nothing in life is simple, to say nothing happens after we die is too simple.

Nothing is real, nothing makes sense, but everything is real regardless and everything makes sense, everything is one big paradox, we shouldn't be here but here we are.

"Is all that we see or seem, but a dream within a dream?"

 

[Kill a Troon for Pikamee]

If all of reality is fundamentally one thing, then where "else" is there to go?

It is impossible to "come out" of it, or to "go back" to it because we are inside it and made of it... So always are and always were fundamentally it.

Consider: When only one thing exists (metaphorical God), there is no space to allow creation to be placed somewhere "else", so it must be created inside of itself. There is nothing "else" with which to craft something from, so it must be created of itself.

That fundamental reality is where we are right now...

Like when you dream at night, you are in a rich environment with sights, sounds, characters, yet the entire time you are actually lying in bed... Envision this reality as a larger scale dream. We see a universe around us, but are actually metaphorically asleep in a metaphorical bed. We have never left there. We are always there and always will be.

"all of reality is fundamentally one thing"

"only one thing exists"

These are primitive ontological assumptions created by streetshitters who were high on cow dung while they were coming up with this crap. In the modern era, only degenerate loser junkies like john lennon or joe rogan entertain concepts like that. Sophisticated and Aryan worldviews such as Christianity (or even their simplified versions, like Islam) do not share this primitive low IQ assumptions of "oneness of existence". Even if you insist on being a pretentious peepeepoopoo "philosopher" instead of reading the Bible like a normal person, a nigga named Nietzsche has thoroughly buck breaked this type of pseudo-deep streetshitter monism like 150 years ago

 

[RMQualtrough]

"all of reality is fundamentally one thing"

"only one thing exists"

These are primitive ontological assumptions created by streetshitters who were high on cow dung while they were coming up with this crap. In the modern era, only degenerate loser junkies like john lennon or joe rogan entertain concepts like that. Sophisticated and Aryan worldviews such as Christianity (or even their simplified versions, like Islam) do not share this primitive low IQ assumptions of "oneness of existence". Even if you insist on being a pretentious peepeepoopoo "philosopher" instead of reading the Bible like a normal person, a nigga named Nietzsche has thoroughly buck breaked this type of pseudo-deep streetshitter monism like 150 years ago

Two things being fundamental is twice as complicated as one thing being fundamental.

If your Bible God exists, does he not require consciousness in order to intelligently design something? If so, you are also positing the same thing as cow-dung-people do PLUS a literal being of some sort.

Nonduality is the opposite of primitive. All evolutionary traits force us to believe in self and other.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Have you seen the jokes we make around here?

If we all don't go to hell when we die then I will be heavily disappointed. That is Unless God is a Kiwi..and if you are here God..then why haven't written the word Nigger above the white house using clouds.

 

[Pruto]

People want hope even if it means believing in whatever.

COPE it's literally all we have in this cruel world.

 

[Smolrolls]

Because the thought of eternal unconsciousness drives people insane.

You mean autism?

 

[The Great Chandler]

Well whatever the case, there's a possibility you don't have as much faith in yourself as you ought to.

Believing in a supportive God could also mean faith in yourself by an extension. If all others fail to give you the needed affirmations in life, you'd turn to God or whatever being of worship to give you the confidence and faith to move on. If the literal omnipotent being of whatever believes in you, then perhaps you should believe in yourself as well.