Would Ron Desantis be a decent 2024 candidate?

[heraclius33]

Desantis seems to be the front runner for the 2024 Presidential Election, assuming Trump doesn't run. After looking at his record as a congressman and currently as a governor, I think he would be an excellent 2024 Presidential candidate. He's younger, a marine veteran, would appeal to rich suburbanites in places like Tarrant County and Maricopa County way better without cucking. Also, he's really good on the issues that matter. While not the best bill at all, he did do a good first step to regulating social media censorship instead of trying to fruitleslly promote alternative platforms. He also passed a law allowing people to fire upon rioters who are threatening their livelihoods. He banned troons from participating in women's sports(on the 1st day of Pride Month mind you). He managed to save the Florida Republican Party demographically by successfully stopping the passing of a referendum which gives felons the right to vote. He has a 55% approval rating. He passed a law banning teaching of CRT. He passed a law banning private companies from issuing vaccine passports. He actually gets the culture war and chooses to wage it. (If you want context, he said this in an interview a month ago by the Federalist: "As much as I’m a fiscal conservative, some of these battles with what the left is doing are effectively cultural Marxism,” he said. “You can have a successful economy, but if the underpinnings of the culture are being torn apart, I don’t think that’s a society that will be very successful.”)

He also lacks Trump's achilles heel: He does not get easily influenced by negative actors surrounding him. While Trump constantly sucked off Jared Kushner, Desantis apparently only listens to himself and his wife for advice(Based and Justinian and Theodora Pilled). He's probably going to win by 10 points in the 2022 gubenatorial race and possibly win Miami Dade, Hillsborough, Duval and Pinellas County.

 

[whatever I feel like]

He's one cruise ship full of covid sufferers away from being public enemy no. 1. But if that doesn't happen then he would have gambled and won.

Don't be suprised if Iowa does something wacky like vote for Pete Ricketts or another obscure, small-state governor and NH votes for a moderate.

 

[mario if smoke weed]

He would be a great 2024 candidate. We can't go with Trump or some pansy-ass Republican, we can't go with Democrats after they gave us Obama, Clinton and Biden back-to-back, so we need to go with someone with balls. Ron DeSantis seems like he has balls and a good head on his shoulders compared to others.

 

[Hüftpriester]

The thing I like most about DeSantis is how hard he pushes back against the trans indoctrination of children. And he does it in a way that doesn't leave him open to vitriolic attacks, i.e. just straight up banning trans athletes in girls sports. This is a position that most people agree with. Most importantly, he always seems calm and composed, rather than a retard throwing a temper tantrum (how Trump usually comes off, tbh).

The only thing that would stop him is another 'fortification' of a national election.

 

[The Last Stand]

From what I've seen with Desantis so far with his performance in Florida, I feel he is a worthy opponent against the woke Left and Joe Biden.

His policies in the state of Florida appear to be beneficial for America and its citizens, not just for spectacle. His demeanor is no bullshit like Trump, BUT unlike Trump, he is sane but firm enough to be taken seriously without going off on some tangent or self mythologizing bullshit. He has experience in the government which will help in his favor, but greenhorn enough to be independent.

He DOES appear as an old-school conservative, although without the intensity of the Religious Right. That and his involvement with Trump has me a bit hesitant about his run. I think MAGA and the media will expect him to be a carbon copy of Trump.

Desantis seems to be the front runner for the 2024 Presidential Election, assuming Trump doesn't run. After looking at his record as a congressman and currently as a governor, I think he would be an excellent 2024 Presidential candidate.

If Trump runs or gets appointed as an advisor for Desantis, I believe that will hurt his public image and reliability as a candidate. I honestly see Trump pulling some stunt like that for his own sake. Trump's time in politics is done, have somebody else run the reins without all of his baggage.

 

[Fortunato Brown]

There's a couple things to consider. I think he's generally very good but here's some downsides as his stans are treating him like the second coming.

1. He isn't a great campaigner. He didn't run a very inspiring campaign in 2018 and had to be pulled past the finish line by Rick Scott's senate run and the Florida gop in general. He also didn't do very well in 2016 when he ran for senate before Rubio jumped back in. This can be assuaged by how well he does next year.

2. He's a poor debater. Gillum absolutely wrecked him in the 2018 debates with Desantis sounding like he had nothing to say except being a Trump supporter. However we have seen him have good barbs with the media at press conferences but that's a different beast.

3. Possible scandals are there. They don't even have to be real. Scandals are more about how much one feels like they can believe it. It's why the Hillary Clinton corruption stuff was damaging while Hunter Biden emails were not. Hillary just seemed corrupt. For Desantis, I think a MeToo scandal would be devastating even if it's fake. He's a good looking Ivy League frat boy, it would totally match people's images of him to say he raped somebody during a party in college. Compare that to somebody like Trump who is sort of scandal proof at this point (at the downside of general dislike many have for him).

4. He's rather untested. At the end of the day, he's won one competitive race. Even that historically is no indicator. Dubya won his 1998 gov race by thirty points but then still hilariously underperformed in 2000 despite having the GOP clear the entire field. A crowded presidential primary is the best way to see one's qualities.


But yeah all in all, these uncertainties is why I'm still open to Trump running again. He's tried and tested and I don't think the democratic turnout will be as high against him after four years of Biden being mediocre. And part of my concern is the GOP coalition needs insane turnout from the trump people while dems don't seem to be lose the people they gained in the suburbs at least according to special elections.

Trump may also be more disruptive purely in the sense that he's going to want revenge. And his raging have already made the entire party more aggressive whether it comes to critical race theory or reopening or voting rights. Still, time will tell. We will have a better idea after the midterms on these points I've made. Right now, I'd put Desantis about where Chris Christie was around in 2013 pre bridgegate. Things can always change. Once Covid becomes a less dominant issue, we will see if Desantis can keep his massive popularity.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

He's one cruise ship full of covid sufferers away from being public enemy no. 1. But if that doesn't happen then he would have gambled and won.

Don't be suprised if Iowa does something wacky like vote for Pete Ricketts or another obscure, small-state governor and NH votes for a moderate.

DeSantis is definitely going to try to run on COVID and tell everyone that FL never had any restrictions ever. Which is untrue, because he just made cities and counties do it instead.

 

[Fortunato Brown]

DeSantis is definitely going to try to run on COVID and tell everyone that FL never had any restrictions ever. Which is untrue, because he just made cities and counties do it instead.

One problem is the Delta Variant is going to hit the US and we may have to do another round of lockdowns which would destroy his covid reputation.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

I’m a Stan and I definitely think he’s the second coming.

He's a poor debater. Gillum absolutely wrecked him in the 2018 debates with Desantis sounding like he had nothing to say except being a Trump supporter.

In 2022 he’ll probably have to debate NikkI Fried lol that’ll be nothing, and debating either Joe or Kamala in 2024 doesn’t strike me as challenging.

I mean y’all he is a Florida native and can legit use “Elect Florida Man” as a campaign slogan. A lot of this is about the cultural moment. We’ll see if the moment changes too much but...he is the one candidate who has been amply rewarded for following his own instincts and doing what he thinks is right, and so he’s going to keep doing that. I don’t think the cultural moment will have moved on so much that that isn’t of enormous interest to voters.

His brand is confidence and a “walks the walk,” say what I mean and mean what I say, trust my gut, not desperate for approval, etc. So, a blow to the confidence, cucking *ever*, apologizing (thing is, he is very controlled and no way will he ever be called upon to make an apology for legitimate reasons, so he’ll never apologize because he knows better than to apologize for bullshit reasons), those kill his brand.

Infidelity would damage it less, but somewhat. He isn’t exactly seen as wholesome, but his family is, and infidelity...indicates instability, lack of control, and desperation for approval.

Rape, idk. I think he’s straightforward enough that rape accusations will not stick. He’ll very clearly be telling the truth when he denies it.

 

[WolfeTone]

No.

 

[big ups liquid richard]

Zion Ron? Yeah if you want to return to neoconservative politics with a little red meat here and there, to appease the base. Just like George W Bush and his virtue signaling on abortion.
Israel would be delighted to have him as president.

 

[XYZpdq]

it's a little early for him, but if he had Trump fully backing him he might be able to pull it off
also he's kinda squeaky sounding
Florida usually jokes-not-joking that we don't want him to stop being governor yet.

 

[big ups liquid richard]

He DOES appear as an old-school conservative, although without the intensity of the Religious Right. That and his involvement with Trump has me a bit hesitant about his run. I think MAGA and the media will expect him to be a carbon copy of Trump.

He's more of a copy of Mike Pence since he's a zionist fundamentalist christian.

 

[Molasses]

DeSantis's COVID policies alone make him a presidential frontrunner. Crisis is where leaders are made, and DeSantis successfully made the case against lockdown, a failure of a policy which 99% of the world followed (and some continue to follow today).

He's sort of become the de facto opposition leader to the Democrats, as he's also moved to the forefront on other issue areas, like education and tech monopolies. I hope he keeps this up and doesn't pull a Chris Christie, because he's my first choice for the 2024 primary.

There's a couple things to consider. I think he's generally very good but here's some downsides as his stans are treating him like the second coming...

Good points here. I think much of these flaws can be attributed to youth & experience (42 is pretty young for politics). His speaking style is admittedly dry but he makes up for it with substance, which he has lots now thanks to successful governance. I've also watched the 2018 debates and was not impressed by Gillum, hindsight notwithstanding.

Very leery on a Trump rematch. Having only 4 years to serve makes him a weak candidate from the outset, and he's prone to health issues at his age (78 in 2024, same as Biden now). Democrat turnout would still work greatly against him, as universal name recognition means his public image is completely baked in at this point.

 

[CrippleThreat]

To the usual bunch who just can't seem to shake away from the autism of Le Thunderdome, DeSantis is a rising star of Populist Inc., which runs on pseudopopulism.

He's also has shares in ZAG, ZEG, ZIG, and ZUG, all of which are subsidiary chains of ZOG Incorporated.

But tbh, he's the guy that makes me roll my eyes the least when disillusioned Trump Zoomers (and I'm speaking as one) want to talk politics.

I suppose it's better than the others who love neocons, and think it's edgy and cool to support someone like Nikki Haley.

However, it's still all just "need a savior" complex upon the followers who like and just want Trump again but have seen past the smoke and mirrors.

There are bigger issues to worry in deciding on a Chief of State than bitching about how loud, brash, and obnoxious the last orange old man was.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Good luck.

 

[Fortunato Brown]

DeSantis's COVID policies alone make him a presidential frontrunner. Crisis is where leaders are made, and DeSantis successfully made the case against lockdown, a failure of a policy which 99% of the world followed (and some continue to follow today).

He's sort of become the de facto opposition leader to the Democrats, as he's also moved to the forefront on other issue areas, like education and tech monopolies. I hope he keeps this up and doesn't pull a Chris Christie, because he's my first choice for the 2024 primary.



Good points here. I think much of these flaws can be attributed to youth & experience (42 is pretty young for politics). His speaking style is admittedly dry but he makes up for it with substance, which he has lots now thanks to successful governance. I've also watched the 2018 debates and was not impressed by Gillum, hindsight notwithstanding.

Very leery on a Trump rematch. Having only 4 years to serve makes him a weak candidate from the outset, and he's prone to health issues at his age (78 in 2024, same as Biden now). Democrat turnout would still work greatly against him, as universal name recognition means his public image is completely baked in at this point.

I just don't think a rematch would be as bad. One, I don't think democratic turnout will be as good. They were united in fighting against a great Satan, with what is replacing being unimportant. Even the most fervent Democrat may see their enthusiasm tampered down a bit after the Biden admin, especially if issues like inflation or just general nothing accomplished drags him down like Carter. What Trump has is massive turnout (again, opinions are all baked in) and you only need a modest decline in turnout from their side. I cannot imagine democrats can keep their turnout as high as 2020 for a rematch or with Harris.

Generally, I think a trump out of power will have more energy or "meme magic" behind it. But we will see. I think the biggest indicator in a weird way is if Trump can create as good of a slogan as MAGA. Sounds weird but little things like that for a guy like trump is a good indicator of how much he still "has it."

Maybe I'm colored by the fact I never bought into the Trump hype and only really got into it mid 2020. Since his loss, I've only come to appreciate him more in how he always picked fights and being proven right time and again. And that he was willing to forge a path in a way that the rest of the gop is belatedly following.

This philosophy is most embodied in replacing RBG. When there was pressure to go with Barbara Lagoa instead of Barrett, Trump was apparently bothered with how Lagoa had passed the Senate with big majorities. So he wondered "What's wrong with her?" Shows the unique way that Trump operates and a guy like Desantis has basically taken positions that Trump was alone in standing for such as attacking critical race theory, covid restrictions, or big tech. ( although I give Hawley credit on the last part)

 

[Someone Awful]

Not sure. A few things I would need to know first,

1. What is his record on job creation? If he wins, can we expect him to bring back jobs?

2. What about war? Will he realize the need to pull our troops out of the Middle East once and for all?

3. Is there any indication that he will move on from his "Repeal Section 230" stance that if passed, would destroy smaller websites and make Big Tech even more powerful?

I hear about him a lot on right-wing and traditionalist media outlets. They're making him out to be the continuation of Trumpism. Thing is, he needs to appeal to the working class in the Midwest and Hispanics that are not Cubans to be competitive in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Arizona, Nevada, and Texas (even if I think he would win it). He also needs to not be an idiot when it comes to tackling Big Tech.

After 2020, we can't rely on states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nevada to obtain Republican governors. That means he has to win these states by such big margins that no amount of fraud can peel the margin away, and that will be a very difficult task.

 

[Dufe]

If he can learn from Trump and understand where to keep his mouth shut.

 

[big ups liquid richard]

Zion Ron fanboys were in denial that he was a zionist in a A&H thread even after I posted this info.

Ron Desantis isn't a Zionist.

Governor Ron DeSantis Announces Actions to Affirm Florida’s Support of Israel

www.flgov.com

“Florida is the most Israel-friendly state in the country and we will not stand for discrimination against the Israeli people of any kind,” said Governor Ron DeSantis. “By calling for increased security for our Jewish Day Schools, punishing companies that participate in the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement and taking my first trade mission to Israel, the Israeli People can be assured that they have no greater friend than Florida. BDS is nothing more than a cloak for anti-Semitism, and as long as I’m Governor, BDS will be DOA. I cannot wait to strengthen the already unwavering bond between Florida and the great state of Israel.”

If elected, Ron DeSantis tells Jewish audience, he'd be nation’s most pro-Israel governor

Republican nominee for governor Ron DeSantis, appearing at a Plantation synagogue, touted his record on Israel and issues important to many in the Jewish community. He and Democratic nominee Andrew Gillum are heavily courting Jewish voters in South Florida.

www.sun-sentinel.com

“I think I can pledge this very credibly: As soon as I take the oath of office to be the next governor that very day we will have the most pro-Israel governor in America here in Florida,” DeSantis said.
- Longstanding support for the relocation of the U.S. embassy to Israel to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv. “Of all the professional things that I’ve done, being there for that embassy opening was one of the best. It was awesome.”
- His first overseas trip as governor would be to Israel.
-- His wife Casey brought back water from the Sea of Galilee during one of their trips to Israel. When their first child was born, they used the water from Israel to baptize her. “It was very, very special to us.”
-- Anyone he appoints to boards of state colleges and universities must be committed to combatting anti-Semitism on campuses.
“BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement) nothing more than warmed over anti-Semitism,” he said. “And I would never seek, nor accept support from any group political or otherwise that supports boycotting Israel.”

Gov. DeSantis: ‘We got to go on offense against anti-Semitism’

The issue of anti-Semitism has taken on urgency in recent weeks.

floridapolitics.com

Gov. DeSantis: ‘We got to go on offense against anti-Semitism’​

Gov. Ron DeSantis, who traveled to Jerusalem in 2019 to sign a bill that made religion a protected class in the state’s education system, also attended virtually.

“I’m very pro-Israel. I have great relationships over there,” DeSantis said.
DeSantis said he thinks policymakers should create policies that discourage anti-Semitism.
“I think if you look back 20 years ago, anti-Semitism is worse today than it was, which is really incredible that we would be seeing that. And I think the best way to do it from a position in elected office is we got to go on offense against anti-Semitism,” DeSantis said.
The Florida Legislature, this past Session, put millions toward security at Jewish institutions and schools.

Governor Ron DeSantis Signs Anti-Semitism Protections Bill CS/CS/HB 741

www.flgov.com

Governor Ron DeSantis Signs Anti-Semitism Protections Bill CS/CS/HB 741​

CS/CS/HB 741 adds religion as a protected class with regard to discrimination against students and employees in Florida’s K-20 public education system. The bill requires a public K-20 educational institution to treat discrimination by students or employees or resulting from institutional policies motivated by anti-Semitism in an identical manner to discrimination motivated by race.

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1206560051567190017