Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[longtimelurkerfirsttimepo]

That's flawed thinking.

You can then postulate the mortality rate for Influenza is about the same (considering very few confirmed cases are actually reported)

From the worldometers casedemic page ...

Coronavirus Update (Live): 81,660,489 Cases and 1,780,942 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Sort the death rates by country, and find the U.S. is barely in the top 20 (including 15 from Europe)

Your memory is also weak as the U.S. was the first western country to shut down air travel from China on Jan 31st

Unless everyone wore Respirators (or P95 as a minimum), the equivalent of a sock or tissue over your face isn't going to protect you from shit.
The virus is much fucking smaller than any dirt or bacteria, that it might stop.
Even Fauci said masks were a waste of time for the general public (before he got bullied to change his mind)

I agree the U.S. has got more than it's fair share of fat and chronically ill fucks, but it's got nothing to do with the government.

Lockdowns started with Authoritarian China (it had never been done on this scale in recorded history), and only worked with countries that could both shut down borders and lock down nearly the entire population in their houses for prolonged periods, on a dime.

The biggest mistake that the U.S. and many westerns counties did, was not to allow the development of early treatment protocols. And only used reactive supportive care (when your blood oxygen levels reached a dangerous threshold), mainly consisting of being hooked up to a respirator and some pain/and anti-inflammatory meds

I understand that the US wasn't the worst hit. I just wanted to use those figures to point out that the vaccine is a lot safer than the virus itself, and used data from the same country to do so.

The China travel ban was quite quick, but the international travel ban wasn't until March.

The masks are to prevent spread from the wearer to the people around them, as it prevents droplets from traveling further. Nobody ever actually says that it blocks virus particles, except in the most simplified terms doled out via government propaganda. Fauci/The US government telling people masks don't help was so that the government itself could stockpile them, which is absolutely fucked in and of itself, and much more criticism should be leveled against them for it, but it isn't proof that they don't work. The US government isn't the arbiter of scientific information, and it's foolish to look at what they are doing and change one's idea of the world based off of it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f...-at-the-beginning-of-the-pandemic/ar-BB16P84e

If the US actually financially supported it's citizens, much of the lockdowns would've gone over a lot smoother. It's not that they don't work, or that they cannot be done, it's that it's not really possible financially for the citizen and businesses to do it, which is ultimately the fault of the government's implementation of it.

There are all sorts of red tape that surround the medical system, for better and for worse. mRNA vaccines were available within weeks of Covid appearing for example, but that still took close to a year to actually be approved. They were certainly trying certain things though, like Hydroxyqloroquine in late march, and then Remdemsivir in April.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

That number includes countries with a civilised population and healthcare. The death rate in the US is 1.8%
-https://covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/us

That's CFR, you fucking idiot.
If ignorance is bliss, then you must be higher than a fucking kite right now.

Maybe you should bring up some more twitter posts to prove me wrong.

It's a peer-reviewed meta-analysis of other peer-reviewed studies, but apparently you have a skunk's diaherra turd where your brain should be, so you it should come as no surprise you mistake a legit study as a "twitter post".

I understand that, which is why I said that I'm happy to accept the true mortality rate at closer to 1%.

It's no big secret that America dropped the ball in many ways when it came to the response of the virus. Late shut downs of international travel, over-burdened hospitals, government lies helping to create the anti-mask hysteria, basically no financial support forcing people to keep working, poor early tests, poor education and so on. Not to mention a generally unhealthy population, and you get high deaths. The global CFR/IFR cannot be compared to the US's.

"COVID is ackychually more deadly because [faggoty propaganda]"

 

[longtimelurkerfirsttimepo]

That's CFR, you fucking idiot.
If ignorance is bliss, then you must be higher than a fucking kite right now.


It's a peer-reviewed meta-analysis of other peer-reviewed studies, but apparently you have a skunk's diaherra turd where your brain should be, so you it should come as no surprise you mistake a legit study as a "twitter post".


"COVID is ackychually more deadly because [faggoty propaganda]"

Stay mad and watch some more Infowars lol

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

My work place is no longer requiring masks to be worn if you've been vaccinated. Does this open them up for a discrimination suit?

 

[Ruin]

My work place is no longer requiring masks to be worn if you've been vaccinated. Does this open them up for a discrimination suit?

It did at my dad's workplace. People threatened to sue so they dropped it completely.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

Alright, so basically I've been offered Pfizer for my brothers and I, I would have rather taken something less experimental but cases are spiking in my city cause we just got our first wave essentially. While I'm not to keen on being a lab monkey of some pharmafucks, I am a paranoid man and want to give it the benefit of the doubt. Anybody have some kind of pros vs cons arguements, hopefully with some literature or sources to back them up, so I can weigh my options?

I'm in my mid-twenties and am largely healthy and not fat, although I haven't been exercising much lately and I vape a lot cause I quit smoking during the pandemic, so I'm not sure if I'll make it unscathed if I roll the dice and catch it. I also work from home but lately the lack of socialization has been getting to me. If I don't get this Pfizer shit now, I'll prolly have to wait another two months for either the China shit or Aztra. What do you guys think? Should I risk potential long-term side effects or should I just wait it out?

There is no long term research on safety and efficacy. They are not fully tested and are in the trial phase, and are only approved for emergency use.


Would you take part in a medical trial? Some might but theyre always paid and closely monitored, and you get the benefit of neither.

It is irreversible. Once in, its not coming out. Why do it for a virus with a tiny, tiny chance of killing you?

Maybe you're one of these "protect others!!!" retards who swallowed that bs. Not sure I can understand that to be fair. I wouldn't do any of this to protest a few oldiewonks and fat cunts.

Edited: typos.

Also, how do you know the healthcare system in your country is being overwhelmed? Because the media is telling you so? The same media that's been lying for over a year now, which relies on massaged and falsified figures and stats?

 

[Roybertitos]

There is no long term research on safety and efficacy. They are not fully tested and are in the trial phase, and are only approved for emergency use.


Would you take part in a medical trial? Some might but theyre always paid and closely monitored, and you get the benefit of neither.

It is irreversible. Once in, its not coming out. Why do it for a virus with a tiny, tiny chance of killing you?

Maybe you're one of these "protest others!!!" retards who swallowed that bs. Not sure i can understand that to be fair. I wouldn't do any of this to protest a few oldiewonks and fat cunts.

Idk man, the virus has been kind of tearing up my city lately. Unfortunately, I live in a 3rd world country where top of the line healthcare isn't common and where rights aren't as protected as the ones you probably enjoy. They already track our movements with that QR code bullshit,

I have no illusions that they're gonna force us to take it by banning us from getting jobs, taking flights, going to school, and basically just shut you out of society. Like it or not, we'll have to take it in the end I guess.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

Idk man, the virus has been kind of tearing up my city lately. Unfortunately, I live in a 3rd world country where top of the line healthcare isn't common and where rights aren't as protected as the ones you probably enjoy. They already track our movements with that QR code bullshit,

I have no illusions that they're gonna force us to take it by banning us from getting jobs, taking flights, going to school, and basically just shut you out of society. Like it or not, we'll have to take it in the end I guess.

You could well be right. Personally though, I think that the serious side effects will become apparent by Winter. I'm of the firm belief that people who have had the vaccines will have fucked immune systems that go spastic, as seen in all previous trials of MRNA vaccines in mammals, and will experience cytokine storms and death. I'm happy to be wrong (I sincerely hope I am) but I really think that will do for us this coming winter.

I think the longer that this can be put off. Maybe you could try the "I am not vulnerable and HC in my country is fucked, it's best I wait til people more vulnerable than I are vaccinated?" schtick? it might buy you some time.

For me, the proof all this is something sinister is in how gung ho they are to vaccinate people for a virus that only smites olds and fats.

 

[Derka Derka]

If the US actually financially supported it's citizens, much of the lockdowns would've gone over a lot smoother. It's not that they don't work, or that they cannot be done, it's that it's not really possible financially for the citizen and businesses to do it, which is ultimately the fault of the government's implementation of it.

Ah, so this is all about federal support and imposition of CCP style authoritarian lockdowns from the start.

Yes comrade, I understand and will comply

There are all sorts of red tape that surround the medical system, for better and for worse. mRNA vaccines were available within weeks of Covid appearing for example, but that still took close to a year to actually be approved. They were certainly trying certain things though, like Hydroxyqloroquine in late march, and then Remdemsivir in April.

I got news for you sunshine: Vaccines are still not approved (EUA does not mean approved ... go read the fine print).
The vaccines are built on experimental technologies and are were still going through clinical testing (which effectively got abandoned).
They saw the limited testing went well and decided "hell why the fuck not, this group of test subjects didn't die, lets just release it anyway"

There is no long term data on the long term effects of any of these experimental treatments.
We are discovering it now (when I mean "we", it's pretty much what we are seeing reported individually and sometimes on MSM, as the vaccine companies are playing down the issues/deaths healthy people are experiencing)

What's being discovered, is the vaccine is giving you a dose of the same harmful spike protein to everyone.

All the available "Vaccines" are also non-sterile. They don't prevent infection and transmission ... it does not make you immune, and reduces symptoms

Yes, HCQ/Remdemsivir were tried. But all got pushed back by the technocrats, who wouldn't even give it EUA
So the majority of hospitals did not use it in fear they would get sued.

Meanwhile parts of the third world have been successfully developing clinical treatments, using many of these (well understood) drugs and are bringing the number of serious cases down fast.

The U.S. government banked on big pharma, and big pharma only, at a huge expense.
Pretty much all other possible treatments are actively being blocked.

If they actually developed clinical treatments, hundred of thousands of extra lives could have been prevented.

Take a look on what's happening in India. Last month the central authorities relented and allowed a variety of prescription medicines for treatment last month. It stopped the latest wave in its tracks and death rates are dropping like a stone.

sCiEnCe!!!!!

 

[FundusOHoolihan]

I'm actually on Ivermectin and I take a lot of Vitamin D and Z and Zinc, so honestly I'm pretty protected but I feel like I have weak lungs cause of smoking. I'm just at this point where I'm thinking that they're all gonna have to force us to take it anyway if we're gonna be let back in to society. I had plans before all this shit went down, like trying for a new career or getting a masters in something and traveling around, savoring my youth before I'm too old for that shit, all of which will probably require some Chinkflu vaccine that isn't the Chink one (cause as far as I know a lot of airlines don't accept that shit as a good vaccine).

It's just wearing me down bros, I thought I could live like a rat in a cage for a while but one year looking at the same four walls just isnt cutting it for me anymore. I feel like I'm regressing onto the path of becoming a fat piece of shit loser NEET and I wanna avoid that shit at all costs. I've seen enough threads on here to know where that goes and I'm not gonna be one of them.

If you're "on Ivermectin" by all indications except for the shitty media denying the efficacy of Ivermectin as good prophylaxis without good data to back themselves up, you shouldn't need any vax if what you're concerned about is contracting and transmitting covid. I have Ivermectin stockpiled just in case I have an exposure. Don't confuse tried and true, ubiquitous and cheap "third world medicine" with shitty ineffective medicine where the incentive for pharma to rush out novel vaccines is a massive payday.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

A travel Instagramer asked followers around the world to write in and explain what is happening with Covid in their countries. It's an interesting cross section of outlooks and response...

 

[Stoneheart]

China isn't fucking with this tech for a reason, because they know the minute risks of some major disaster isn't worth it.

so how retarded are you? its china, they dont fucking care if their people die.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

Idk man, the virus has been kind of tearing up my city lately.

What do you mean by "tearing up my city"? Because if you're talking about cases then you're being torn up by hot air. Cases is literally fucking nothing.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

so how retarded are you? its china, they dont fucking care if their people die.

Let's see if Xi the pooh and the rest of the CCP will sing the same song if and when that nuclear reactior will go full Chernobyl.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

When I was a kid there was a huge push for America's youth to stay active and get fit.
We lost the war on obesity so hard that the things you mentioned unironically would be considered hate speech today.

We lost the war because all the fighting was just virtue signaling. This was going on when schools would get rid of recess so they could further teach kids how to be good little test takers. It was incredibly easy to weasel your way into being allowed to sit PE out, too. You'll get an A just for attending even if you spent all of it doing homework last minute.

That healthy school food thing failed because it made the food at most districts even less edible. A starving raccoon wouldn't consider this preservative laden trash food. Attempts at making food "healthier" wasn't as profitable, either. Why bother when an entire generation was being told to exercise one second and forced to sit on their ass for most of the day the next? Thanks, No Child Left Behind.

Healthy people are also more likely to question what's in their food. Can't have that. Fatties are the perfect paypiggies.

 

[PFM]

What do you mean by "tearing up my city"? Because if you're talking about cases then you're being torn up by hot air. Cases is literally fucking nothing.

Even the death rates are padded as fuck

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

Study shows Trump-touted hydroxychloroquine can increase COVID-19 survival rates by 200%

Drug hydroxychloroquine, which was promoted by former President Donald Trump, improved the survival rate of severely ill COVID-19 patients.

t.co

https://archive.md/UOi8h

CDC plans meeting on rare heart inflammation following COVID-19 vaccines

Reported cases represent just a tiny fraction of the nearly 130 million Americans who have been fully vaccinated with either Pfizer or Moderna's doses.

t.co

https://archive.md/3oHKF

New COVID symptoms of Delta variant: headaches, runny nose, sore throat

Since the emergence of the new Delta variant, the symptoms people report when they have Covid have changed. The new strain, also known

t.co

https://archive.md/vPCfY

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1404859812454752271

VIDEO: Marjorie Taylor Greene introduces Fire Fauci Act - Insider Paper

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene introduces a bill named "Fire Fauci Act" that will bring Dr. Fauci's salary to $0 and also will require Senate.

t.co

https://archive.md/PlsoN

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1405161055207235586

NEW STUDY: Regeneron's Antibody Drug Shown to Reduce Risk of Death in Hospitalized Covid-19 Patients - Breaking911

The results of a new study show that Regeneron’s antibody drug reduces the risk of death in hospitalized Covid-19 patients. The study consisted of 10,000 participants and was conducted in the U.K. The results show that the drug reduced the risk of death in hospitalized Covid-19 patients who...

t.co

https://archive.md/Ed5JR

 

[Jar-Jar Fanboy]

Alright, so basically I've been offered Pfizer for my brothers and I, I would have rather taken something less experimental but cases are spiking in my city cause we just got our first wave essentially. While I'm not to keen on being a lab monkey of some pharmafucks, I am a paranoid man and want to give it the benefit of the doubt. Anybody have some kind of pros vs cons arguements, hopefully with some literature or sources to back them up, so I can weigh my options?

I'm in my mid-twenties and am largely healthy and not fat, although I haven't been exercising much lately and I vape a lot cause I quit smoking during the pandemic, so I'm not sure if I'll make it unscathed if I roll the dice and catch it. I also work from home but lately the lack of socialization has been getting to me. If I don't get this Pfizer shit now, I'll prolly have to wait another two months for either the China shit or Aztra. What do you guys think? Should I risk potential long-term side effects or should I just wait it out?

I ended up getting poked, and mine was Pfizer. I'm also mid-20's, and fairly healthy. Ultimately, my risk of death from Covid is extremely low, but so is my risk of death due to vax. I was on the fence about getting it, and knew that if I asked people I know, they'd push me to do it, but if I asked my boys online, they'd tell me not to get it. The risks of both are so minimal for me, that I made my choice by removing humanity from the equation, and just flipped a coin. I've only had the first one, still debating whether or not to even bother with second, but the only side effect I had was fatigue for the whole day following the jab. Otherwise, I was fine. Ultimately, I'd say both options are a roll of the dice, and you're really the only person who can make the choice for you. Or just flip a coin and adhere to whatever fate tells you to do. Whatever feels right to you, dude. Whatever you go with, best of luck

 

[PurpleEater]

some Commiefornia Twitter chimpouts from eternal shut-ins, NEETs, etc. re: the state re-opening after 19 months:

PLEASE OPPRESS US MORE, SIR!!!! IT'S FOR OUR OWN GOOD!!

I don't get it. If the vaccine works, why are you worried about getting the virus? Doesn't the mask protect OTHER people, not you? The re.tardation around this flu knows no bounds...

lol all the handwringing about MUH CHILDREENNNN!!!!1 if the infection rate is astronomically low, how is little Susie going to get COVID, Minda? From who, exactly?

there is one good comment amid this though:

 

[Bakarina]

some Commiefornia Twitter chimpouts from eternal shut-ins, NEETs, etc. re: the state re-opening after 19 months:

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PLEASE OPPRESS US MORE, SIR!!!! IT'S FOR OUR OWN GOOD!!

I don't get it. If the vaccine works, why are you worried about getting the virus? Doesn't the mask protect OTHER people, not you? The re.tardation around this flu knows no bounds...

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lol all the handwringing about MUH CHILDREENNNN!!!!1 if the infection rate is astronomically low, how is little Susie going to get COVID, Minda? From who, exactly?

there is one good comment amid this though:

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Those children are probably going to die from hay fever. Let them eat dirt and call it a day