Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Flexo]

Look the prequels just suck and there's no way you could save th--

Alright, I'll take this L. This is a good L.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

To be fair it was a few thousand years between KOTOR's neo crusaders and the Modern "True" Mandalorians like Jaster Mereel and Jango Fett. Not the boring Pacifists you are referencing.

I was talking about the "True Mandalorians". They bore me because they're just the standard "honorable dude who works for money" stereotype except they really aren't honorable in the least. They keep whining about how they're more honorable than the Jedi, yet they shoot civilians for money, whereas the Jedi renounce worldly possessions and outright act as meatshields for the weak and the innocent.

They were basically stomped to dust, scattered, and demoralized in terms of military strength after they lost the Mandalorian wars at the hands of Revan with the odd well armed and organized group like the death watch showing up every while.

Their creed still exists. For once I'd like a Mandalorian character who goes after something big for the thrill, not just for the paycheck.

Death watch was the only thing even close to Canderous's attempts to unify the clans in the timespan the films cover.
They were not destroyed and fucked off to Endor at some point after the clone wars. At least According to SWG.

And were never heard from again. Seriously, you'd think they'd have tried something, especially during all the chaos post-Endor. Like say, enter into a partnership with an Imperial Remnant faction whose soldiers they train and influence with Mandalorian traditions, so they can get their little Mando Empire thing going on once more.

Also to anyone else who actually played Republic commando, Delta squad took out more droids and trando mercs (yes the multiple types of infinitely spawning droid despensers count) and even single handedly repelled boarding parties from a Lucrehulk in multiple hangars on an Acclamator , eventually driving off the coreship with only 2 Acclamators. They also destroyed a recusant destroyer with only 4 AA turrets at Kachiro and other actions that top Bad batch.

Not to mention the small army of super dwarf spider droids and anime tier magna guards they basically beat in a 2v4 getting to all 4 turrets.

(Republic commando's portrayal of magna guards do a ton of somersaults and crawling on walls and had mortars that slid out from their shoulder pads and shit if you got too far away. its rare to trigger in actual gameplay along with the SBD's plasma shield when throwing a thermal det in front of them you would probably only know exists from their vidocs.)


All BB did was maybe throw around a few AAT's and tripped a couple B1 platoons with disney plot armor. They are basically clone commandos but calling them that is "raycist" apparently according to troons.

Delta Squad takes out legions of hostiles through traditional military tactics. Like say, let the droids come to you, but bunker up so you can use cover and kill them by the dozen. Delta Squad would react to a droid dispenser by bunkering down and shooting the droids up while someone plants a bomb on it. The Bad Batch would react by having Wrecker smash said dispenser while the others go full Rambo.

It's the difference between how a standard military special forces squad will handle things, and how a superhero or a Rambo character will handle things. Delta Squad are professionals, Clone Force 99 are loonies. Which is why I so wanted them to go full TF2 instead of rehashing the Winter Soldier plotline.

 

[Blamo]

Even with their mutations, they don't ever feel like a special unit, just clones with a gimmick.

Imagine having an army of clones and picking out the only squad with the guys who don't look similar.

 

[Antarctic Hellbeast]

Pretty accurate representation of the absolute state of modern SW games.

 

[Miller]

It was Cad Bane, who one shots Hunter, stuns Omega and takes her back to Kamino. Which probably means Bane is going to show up in Book of Fette since this now DE canonizes the unreleased clone wars arc of Boba killing him

I'm glad he's back. I hope he's in the Boba series.



Also this episode was another missed opportunity to add some drama by killing off another member of the Batch. I bet they would have done it if this wasn't a Disney IP.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

I'm glad he's back. I hope he's in the Boba series.

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Also this episode was another missed opportunity to add some drama by killing off another member of the Batch. I bet they would have done it if this wasn't a Disney IP.

Maybe I’m just immature, but I feel that not killing off main characters is not something to criticize series for usually. If you go too hard with it, you end up with Game of Thrones, where people just stop caring about the cast because everybody’s liable to die at the drop of a hat, and I fear that putting blood in the water could coax writers to turn a series into a bloodbath.

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

So I finished got to finishing the Heart of the Jedi. It's a fun little side-story with some pretty funny dialogue, good characterization, and simple but servicable narrative. Luke's still a bit too much of a whiny bitch at times, but this depication of him allows for some nice moments of reflection and sorrow for his chosen life path, which is always nice to see from a still young and pre-prime Luke. Han has all the best lines, some of which actually managed to get a chuckle out of me. Kenneth C. Flint describes his new worlds well, so I got more wonderlust from a non-canon, unpublished book than I ever did from the DisneyWars setting.

It's definitely still a first draft, so all the spelling and grammar mistakes are almost charming to uncover, like digging up the fossil of a retarded T-Rex subspecies--seriously, how do you get 'becobanthame' from misspelling 'become'?

Glad I snagged a physical copy. I'll probably write a more in-depth review later.

 

[Ghostse]

Exactly. The big one could just be a clone who spent more time exercising, the smart one looks like he could just have a shitty diet and studied more, the cyborg one is just a cyborg, the leader looks no different than any other clone, and the evil one just looks like he's older and eats less than the rest. So the only one that feels like a genetic alteration/mutation is the girl.

Anyway, /sw/anons have made a critique/summary of the episode with clips of the dumbest moments if anyone's interested:

/sw/ - So the new episode of Filoni's Clone Wars cartoon came out. I implore you to watch it here rather than pay for that crap on Disney+ http://kimcartoon.to/Cartoon/Star-Wars-The-Clone-Wars-Season-7/Episode-1?id=96113&s=beta&pfail=1

The good guys also defeat their evil brother and his team and yet they don't even bother to take him and remove his chip I guess.

Cad even says "M'lady".
When does the earth quake the removes los angles happen again?

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Someone should add this on the OP of the thread. To me, this sums up Disney Star Wars as a whole.

 

[Blamo]

Someone should add this on the OP of the thread. To me, this sums up Disney Star Wars as a whole.
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Bob Iger certainly doesn't fight the stereotypes by going back on a verbal promise as soon as he got the rights.
Lucas' biggest weakness is that he is at the end of the day a good man, working in an industry that hates his guts and said industry is filled up by spineless lizzard people.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

This whole inhibitor chip thing for the clones raises another question: how have the Kaminoans not taken over the galaxy yet?

In the old canon, Jango Fett and his Cul'Vay'Dar trained the clones to be slave-soldiers of the Republic. They grow up to be loyal to the Republic, or they don't grow up at all, and it was that kind of loyalty that kept the clones loyal to the Republic and Palpatine. The Kaminoans had to make another batch of clones more loyal to themselves to start a revolution against the Empire, which the latter managed to put down in style.

But with the inhibitor chips, the Kaminoans could have programmed more directives into them. Like say, "fuck the government, be loyal to Kamino." The moment Admiral/Governor Tarkin starts making threats towards the Kaminoans, the Kaminoans should have just laughed in his face and then transmitted a general order to all clone units. The next day, the clones overthrow the Empire while chanting "good soldiers follow orders" and Lama Su moves to Coruscant after Palpatine was driven off, sitting on Palpatine's throne and declaring himself the new Emperor, with the clones being his sole justification. The only clones who remain loyal to the old regime are the Coruscant Guard Shocktroopers who were grown on Coruscant, while the rest of the clones serve only Kamino and wipe out most of the Shocktroopers prior to Lama Su arriving to sit on the throne.

The senators, not having a disposable army in their pocket, have no choice but to surrender and accept their new emperor, since they don't have recruit soldiers in large numbers, they just have militia that the clones can easily bomb back into the stone age with their Star Destroyers. An episode later, Tarkin, Rampart, Vader, Palpatine, and a handful of Coruscant Guard Shocktroopers are forced to slum in with Cid and the Bad Batch while the clones under Crosshair hunt for them across the galaxy and the Kaminoans start dictating terms to the rest of the core worlds.

 

[Blamo]

This whole inhibitor chip thing for the clones raises another question: how have the Kaminoans not taken over the galaxy yet?

Yet another plot hole opened, because Filoni and friends decided to make the clones more human when they were meant to be better droids.

 

[Miller]

how have the Kaminoans not taken over the galaxy yet?

Why would they do that? They're specialized in genetic engineering and cloning, they don't want more power.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Why would they do that? They're specialized in genetic engineering and cloning, they don't want more power.

Because the Kaminoans are authoritarian as fuck, and they're out for that gold and galactic influence. Their main focus is making money off cloning contracts, and if they took over the Galactic Empire, they could tax it for their own benefit. And because the Imperials barking threats at them would obviously offend their egos, not to mention the Empire threatening to downsize their clone program would weaken their influence.

The Empire in Legends practically saved the galaxy from a potential nightmare when they defeated the Kaminoan clone rebellion:

The Kaminoans were more like Nazis than the actual Space Nazis. Down to the point where they make Palpatine look like Agusto Pinochet in comparison. Palpatine leaves you alone if you leave him alone, whereas the Kaminoans will comb through their subjects and purge anyone with genetic deformities.

 

[Blamo]

Why would they do that? They're specialized in genetic engineering and cloning, they don't want more power.

Yeah, taking power is easy, holding it is hard. Not to mention the Clone Army did lost it's leadership in order 66 as well.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah, taking power is easy, holding it is hard. Not to mention the Clone Army did lost it's leadership in order 66 as well.

The Kaminoans can always grow more Clone Commandos or ARC Troopers and make them the leader class for the army. With the inhibitor chips, they'll stay loyal, and with the clone army loyal to them, Kamino can take over the Empire in an afternoon and reduce the Emperor and his command staff into refugees just like they did the Jedi. Even if Sidious can fry legions of clone battalions, ISDs taken over by clones taking potshots at him with turbolasers is something he won't be able to hold against for long.

 

[Ghostse]

The Kaminoans were more like Nazis than the actual Space Nazis. Down to the point where they make Palpatine look like Agusto Pinochet in comparison. Palpatine leaves you alone if you leave him alone, whereas the Kaminoans will comb through their subjects and purge anyone with genetic deformities.

This is what the Clone Wars should have been.

 

[Blamo]

The Kaminoans can always grow more Clone Commandos or ARC Troopers and make them the leader class for the army. With the inhibitor chips, they'll stay loyal, and with the clone army loyal to them, Kamino can take over the Empire in an afternoon and reduce the Emperor and his command staff into refugees just like they did the Jedi. Even if Sidious can fry legions of clone battalions, ISDs taken over by clones taking potshots at him with turbolasers is something he won't be able to hold against for long.

That is a good point. Of course they do need to have the cooperation of the systems of resources and industry. That would be a messy thing to do with coercion. Another interesting point to consider is how isolated Kaminoans are. Sometimes lack of information and sense of scale can both really embolden or moderate somebody.

What I could imagine happening is that they don't take over the Republic, but they basically lease the army to Palpatine. I think the people of Kamino are cold and calculating. This brain chip implant is really potent. What is stopping from it being used at key targets? I am sure Kamino could afford to hire mercs and other shady people after their fortunes were already made in the Clone Wars.

Also they could easily, just use the hole in the market that was the destruction of many major droid workships. If you can clone the ideal soldier, why not the ideal worker? The precedent is already set with clones, that the Republic's anti slavery laws don't apply if you were grown in a vat.

Still, it would have been an interesting scenario for sure.

 

[Creep3r]

This whole inhibitor chip thing for the clones raises another question: how have the Kaminoans not taken over the galaxy yet?

In the old canon, Jango Fett and his Cul'Vay'Dar trained the clones to be slave-soldiers of the Republic. They grow up to be loyal to the Republic, or they don't grow up at all, and it was that kind of loyalty that kept the clones loyal to the Republic and Palpatine. The Kaminoans had to make another batch of clones more loyal to themselves to start a revolution against the Empire, which the latter managed to put down in style.

But with the inhibitor chips, the Kaminoans could have programmed more directives into them. Like say, "fuck the government, be loyal to Kamino." The moment Admiral/Governor Tarkin starts making threats towards the Kaminoans, the Kaminoans should have just laughed in his face and then transmitted a general order to all clone units. The next day, the clones overthrow the Empire while chanting "good soldiers follow orders" and Lama Su moves to Coruscant after Palpatine was driven off, sitting on Palpatine's throne and declaring himself the new Emperor, with the clones being his sole justification. The only clones who remain loyal to the old regime are the Coruscant Guard Shocktroopers who were grown on Coruscant, while the rest of the clones serve only Kamino and wipe out most of the Shocktroopers prior to Lama Su arriving to sit on the throne.

The senators, not having a disposable army in their pocket, have no choice but to surrender and accept their new emperor, since they don't have recruit soldiers in large numbers, they just have militia that the clones can easily bomb back into the stone age with their Star Destroyers. An episode later, Tarkin, Rampart, Vader, Palpatine, and a handful of Coruscant Guard Shocktroopers are forced to slum in with Cid and the Bad Batch while the clones under Crosshair hunt for them across the galaxy and the Kaminoans start dictating terms to the rest of the core worlds.

The chip retcon just keeps shooting itself in the foot, and your post shows Filoni and crew can't even do anything decent with it when it wouldn't even be that hard. If they really wanted to pull that chip bullshit while still having rebel clone characters with some free will like they're trying to forcefully pull off with this Crosshair character, they could've at least had it so the chip shit was only a thing in later batches or something. Instead these people can't seem to decide how to even portray these chip clones. In the end, the only reason this chip shit was even made was because having the clone OCs actually be loyal to their indoctrination would be "too dark" and "muh precious OCs would never do that!" logic. Chip shit wasn't even needed since even in old canon the number of Rebel clones was a grand minority outside of one planet in Dark Horse, since that's what happens when you're bred for war and indoctrinated since birth.

Yet another plot hole opened, because Filoni and friends decided to make the clones more human when they were meant to be better droids.

He's basically pulling a shitty Traviss maneuver by trying to overly humanize the clones, but while completely throwing away the whole theme of being bred for war and loyalty.

Because the Kaminoans are authoritarian as fuck, and they're out for that gold and galactic influence. Their main focus is making money off cloning contracts, and if they took over the Galactic Empire, they could tax it for their own benefit. And because the Imperials barking threats at them would obviously offend their egos, not to mention the Empire threatening to downsize their clone program would weaken their influence.

The Empire in Legends practically saved the galaxy from a potential nightmare when they defeated the Kaminoan clone rebellion:

The Kaminoans were more like Nazis than the actual Space Nazis. Down to the point where they make Palpatine look like Agusto Pinochet in comparison. Palpatine leaves you alone if you leave him alone, whereas the Kaminoans will comb through their subjects and purge anyone with genetic deformities.

These cold and uncaring fucks even believe in eugenics, and will not just kill their clones, but even their own children for any sign of "imperfection".

Hell with the way they bred clones, they didn't even need chips. Its a cold and emotionless society of perfectionists, so throwing chips in and giving every clone individuality is even more silly and removes any of the harsher and interesting story elements that could come from such a twisted background (its like a THX-1138 scenario over here where these tragic soulless meatbags are just forced to train and walk through empty colorless halls everyday to await the day they're allowed to leave only to die in wars they've only read about). But with Filoni, the Kaminoans are just another greedy happy merchant parody (which was most noted during that corny Senate Murders story of TCW) and the clones are just as campy as 80s GI Joes minus the PSAs and the ability to die (unless they're Rex & friends).

 

[Blamo]

These cold and uncaring fucks even believe in eugenics, and will not just kill their clones, but even their own children for any sign of "imperfection".

They even considered force sensitivity that. That's a pretty bold statement from their society towards the Star Wars Galaxy!