Ethan Klein / h3h3Productions - Opportunistic, two-faced e-celeb sperg with a penchant for hypocrisy and an Oedipus complex; sold out to Susan Wojcicki, the incompetent CEO of YouTube

[Rio]

Finally watched the debate so future lolcow historians don't have to.

Crowder can be a sperg - I like his videos but he does have a history of it and I'm not going to deny it even though I'm right wing. That said:

Ethan won the beginning - Crowder was incredibly nervous possibly more due to not knowing what stunt Ethan was going to pull. You could tell by his body language, it's obvious to see. It was when Sam and Ethan were the most laid back and relaxed.

Crowder won the middle - Crowder gained more confidence with the help of leprechaun cohost but overall held it on his own. He stated his stances smoothly and was rabid with the quick witted insults. Also made his side about the "dodge" on the past debate sound more believable than Sam's story.

Crowder won the end - Ending the conversation and not giving this dude the time of day. The one thing Sam wanted was to debate Crowder - the left like to call Crowder cold feet because of it. It seems Crowder ducking debates from Sam has less to do with him being afraid and more like Crowder knows this pisses Sam off the most.

But what the hell do I know? The left says I'm coping.

HIGHLIGHTS:

Ethan: Stop showing your little leprechaun co-host!

Steven: Sam, fake stand up comic no one can find footage of online -
Sam: I'm not a comedian.
Steven: That make sense because everything I've seen is unfunny and unentertaining.

Sam: How did you know I ended my show early last week?
Steven: Because you're an idiot and half of your staff hate you.
Leprechaun: Because I'm a die hard fan.

(After the repeats of Sam and Ethan telling Steven not to hide behind his co-host)
Steven: Before we go, will you take off your glasses, Sam? I wanted to see if you have the velveteen rabbit buttons.
Leprechaun: Or if there's a soul.
Steven: Don't hide behind the glasses, Sam.

Ethan: Steven, you're wearing a holster!
Steven: So?
Ethan: .....

Ethan...in internet blood sports you don't say nothing to that.
You say "So you look like a fucking idiot." Crowder wanted to have a serious debate but you brought IN the internet blood sports. In internet blood sports no one gives a shit about "intellectual" debates, especially with a nerd like Sam. It's who can make the other seem like the biggest dipshit and Steven pulled it off just because he threw more which happened to be better.

BIGGEST OWN:

Sam: Do you think your audience cares how many subscribers I have?
Crowder: My audience would say Sam who?

How true is that shit? I didn't know who the hell Sam was before this and I've already seen so many conservatives ask the same thing.

The biggest own was that Crowder accidently admitted that he was actually watching Seder's stream last week just to make 100% sure that he couldn't jump in on the debate, which throws into question his whole 'medical emergency' excuse. He was furious that instead of getting an easy dunk on some moron who admits himself that he has no clue what he's talking about, he was faced with the opponent he's been trying to dodge for years, and the best he could do is to hurl insult after insult while Sam Seder asked if they could talk about the issues instead. I don't even watch Sam Seder, and I don't even think this made him look particularly good. It just made Crowder look really bad.

If crowder was as comfortable with his argument as he said he was, he could've very easily made himself look good by winning the debate against Seder with ease while also pointing out that he was not invited. Having a 30 minute meltdown was about the worst thing he could've possible done optically.

Then again, Crowder fans will think he's won because they're crowder fans. I doubt they'll change their mind on that for any reason. Not even if they set up a table at a college campus with pre-rehearsed talking points to dunk on some dumb freshman liberal arts kids with.

 

[Physics Ninja]

The biggest own was that Crowder accidently admitted that he was actually watching Seder's stream last week just to make 100% sure that he couldn't jump in on the debate, which throws into question his whole 'medical emergency' excuse.

When?

 

[Rio]

When?

It's early on in the screaming match, he points out that 'he knew it was going to happen when Crowder stopped his show early last week,' which implies that at the very least he had someone keep an eye on Seder's stream to make sure. It strikes me as pretty odd that as soon as Seder's stream stopped, Crowder suddenly had an emergency that he needed to attend, and that he later acknowledges that he was aware of that stream stopping prior to his emergency the week after. It could be a coincidence, but it looks iffy

 

[Self-Aware-Neckbeard]

It went from "Yes, I'm not biased as the jackasses in this thread dedicated to shitting on Ethan" to you making several BIASED replies about how muhhh Steven bad muhh steven not macho, even bringing in years old incident about the union worker.

"Crowder lost his temper? What kind of loser takes this shit seriously enough to lose his temper?"
You are one of those losers who constantly try to mock others for "taking this too seriously" but yet you've made several comments about Crowder already because people on this thread think h3h3 came across as a much, much bigger coward. Surprise, it's literally a thread about h3h3 and the lolcow that he is. Have some self awareness, weirdo.

"Also, people talk about this debate shit as if it is some serious legal contract or something." It's called common sense. When someone lies to you and wastes your time, it's somewhat reasonable to not be too happy about it. I know a person like you doesn't understand basic human interactions but internet can be useful for autists like you to read more about it without having to socialize.

You are either severely mentally ill or you are cognitively impaired. Probably both to be honest.

-"Man" is fearless and intelligent, destroys libtards and lefties.
-Goes on Podcast to "debate" lefty, ends up finding another, even though all of them are supposed to be idiots. Viewer numbers are irrelevant. Not only is he on the h3h3 platform, Crowder regularly speaks to nobodies, and Sam is hardly unknown. Not as well as the podcast itself, but what of it.
-Fearless "Man" acts autistically, calls his dad or some random manlet, and flees a lefty for... unexplained reasons.
-Fearless "Man" victimizes himself "I was lied to!" "That wasn't part of the deal". It sounds as if he was about to be beaten up by a professional boxer, even though all he had to do was dispel and a libtard's lies, supposedly.

It really is simple.
What was the worst that could have happened if Crowder stuck to the debate? If he had, there would be no argument at all. Ethan would simply look slimy and Crowder would have epically owned two leftists. Unless Crowder shat his pants and was proven an utter fool, just as other cows like Sargon of Akkad or the Quarterpounder would have.

But no. He fled instead because he can't deal with people with more than one brain cell, which is the exact amount Ethan and Sam Who have combined.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

he was faced with the opponent he's been trying to dodge for years

According to whom? Some irrelevant grifter who survives on crumbs of attention by stirring up drama like he did here?
You think it's more likely that people avoid this fucker because he's scary or because they don't want to give him what he wants, while there's literally nothing in it for them?
You'll have to admit that it's at the very least 50/50.

If crowder was as comfortable with his argument as he said he was, he could've very easily made himself look good by winning the debate against Seder with ease while also pointing out that he was not invited. Having a 30 minute meltdown was about the worst thing he could've possible done optically.

"Debating" Seder at that point would've been caving in to his machinations, that's an automatic loss. That's giving him what he wants. Roasting Ethan and Seder instead until they fucked off was the best course of action.

Not even if they set up a table at a college campus with pre-rehearsed talking points to dunk on some dumb freshman liberal arts kids with.

This shit is just annoying at this point. As someone already said, you lot are giving these college students too much leeway. They should know better. They often act like they do, and get exactly what they deserve. They aren't kindergartners ffs. Besides, Crowder is never antagonistic in these.
I'm just going to let Crowder speak for himself on this, think of it what you will: https://youtu.be/WOEV8lIiJ0I?t=1078

 

[Self-Aware-Neckbeard]

According to whom? Some irrelevant grifter who survives on crumbs of attention by stirring up drama like he did here?
You think it's more likely that people avoid this fucker because he's scary or because they don't want to give him what he wants, while there's literally nothing in it for them?
You'll have to admit that it's at the very least 50/50.

"Debating" Seder at that point would've been caving in to his machinations, that's an automatic loss. That's giving him what he wants. Roasting Ethan and Seder instead until they fucked off was the best course of action.

This shit is just annoying at this point. As someone already said, you lot are giving these college students too much leeway. They should know better. They often act like they do, and get exactly what they deserve. They aren't kindergartners ffs. Besides, Crowder is never antagonistic in these.
I'm just going to let Crowder speak for himself on this, think of it what you will: https://youtu.be/WOEV8lIiJ0I?t=1078

College students have the excuse of immaturity to some degree. Manchildren do not.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

-Fearless "Man" acts autistically, calls his dad or some random manlet, and flees a lefty for... unexplained reasons.
-Fearless "Man" victimizes himself "I was lied to!" "That wasn't part of the deal". It sounds as if he was about to be beaten up by a professional boxer, even though all he had to do was dispel and a libtard's lies, supposedly.

It really is simple.

All he had to do was indulge exactly the kind of online pissing contest he explicitly said he didn't want. Letting Klein get away with bringing on an obnoxious sperg would be a stupid idea.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

College students have the excuse of immaturity to some degree. Manchildren do not.

Maybe to you. They grow up into manchildren if no one challenges them to defend or just even coherently articulate their views.
Your name is rather ironic, by the way.

 

[Self-Aware-Neckbeard]

Maybe to you. They grow up into manchildren if no one challenges them to defend or just even coherently articulate their views.
Your name is rather ironic, by the way.

College students are not manchildren.
Grown men who go into campuses to converse with them are.
name.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

College students are not manchildren.
Grown men who go into campuses to converse with them are.
name.

So college professors are manchildren?

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

College students are not manchildren.
Grown men who go into campuses to converse with them are.

You're making this assertion but it's not evident to me why that would be the case. After all, that's what teachers do, for example.
Besides, it's not always campuses. Try to make your case more convincing.

 

[Self-Aware-Neckbeard]

You're making this assertion but it's not evident to me why that would be the case. After all, that's what teachers do, for example.
Besides, it's not always campuses. Try to make your case more convincing.

Professors... are doing their jobs. They are there with a purpose, unlike YouTubers, and they - in a proper word - are prepared both intellectually and professionally. Some nobody sauntering into a campus is something else entirely.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

Professors... are doing their jobs. They are there with a purpose, unlike YouTubers, and they - in a proper word - are prepared both intellectually and professionally. Some nobody sauntering into a campus is something else entirely.

Political activists are also doing their job, which is to convince people who don't agree with them to ideally agree with them, or at least understand their viewpoint and recognize common ground. You don't have to be under the age of 20 to engage in activism.

If you have that much of a beef with Crowder you should make a thread about him instead of derailing this one. Klein is a sperg who performed babby's first le epic troll move and failed to recognize that it make him look like a disingenuous shit who likes to start shit but can't finish them without calling in someone else to fight his battles for him. Maybe he's looking to politics as the next frontier to prop up his fading relevance. I still agree with the take that all 3 parties involved probably profited off of it, but eventually Klein's shameless "I'm a scumbag, and you can't do anything about it because Mommy Susan is protecting me" attitude is going to bite him in the ass.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Professors... are doing their jobs. They are there with a purpose, unlike YouTubers, and they - in a proper word - are prepared both intellectually and professionally. Some nobody sauntering into a campus is something else entirely.

Something else? Like trying to show how brainwashed these students are, for example, how clueless they are, despite practically being adults? And it's a bad thing how?
Besides entertainment, it has its utility.

Political activists are also doing their job, which is to convince people who don't agree with them to ideally agree with them, or at least understand their viewpoint and recognize common ground. You don't have to be under the age of 20 to engage in activism.

I guess it's worth mentioning that students are often pulled into activism by their activist professors, and apparently that's not a problem at all.

 

[Rio]

According to whom? Some irrelevant grifter who survives on crumbs of attention by stirring up drama like he did here?
You think it's more likely that people avoid this fucker because he's scary or because they don't want to give him what he wants, while there's literally nothing in it for them?
You'll have to admit that it's at the very least 50/50.

According to the politicon organizers, and later Gavin McInnes.
I don't have to do "admit it was 50/50" because there wasn't even a debate. It was an unfunny internet comedian trolling a different unfunny internet comedian with the help of some youtube news anchor. Crowder made himself look awful. I'm not going to cut him slack because you like him.

"Debating" Seder at that point would've been caving in to his machinations, that's an automatic loss. That's giving him what he wants. Roasting Ethan and Seder instead until they fucked off was the best course of action.

If what Seder wants is attention and viewership, do you think he'd have gotten more of it through a boring 30 minute debate? Or a 30 minute shoutfest that instantly went viral? If his goal was to not give Seder attention, he did a pretty poor job of that as well. He challenged Ethan to a debate specifically because he knew Ethan was a dumbass that wasn't going to be able to defend a position coherently. The reason he was so pissed isn't because he was cleverly 5d chessing Seder out of what he wanted. The thing immediately went viral. How are you going to make the argument that this was somehow depriving Seder of the attention he was supposedly lusting for? I can guarantee that not as many people would've known about this going down and therefore known about Seder if they'd just had a reasonable 10 minute back and forth about the issues before Crowder tells him 'look, I didn't ask you to be here, you're kinda invading on my show, I'm going to need to stop this segment' or whatever.

This shit is just annoying at this point. As someone already said, you lot are giving these college students too much leeway. They should know better. They often act like they do, and get exactly what they deserve. They aren't kindergartners ffs. Besides, Crowder is never antagonistic in these.
I'm just going to let Crowder speak for himself on this, think of it what you will: https://youtu.be/WOEV8lIiJ0I?t=1078

That's all well and good, but his word doesn't matter. Yes these college kids go on this show because they're idiots who think they know more than they actually do. I never disputed that. I just don't think I need to respect Crowder for owning them when he prepares for these discussion through rehearsal of specific talking points that he always guides the discussion towards. As soon as you realize that he brings 5 or 6 specific rehearsed points that he then guides every single conversation of a segment towards, any illusion that these are good faith, spirited debates between two people wanting to exchange ideas disappears like Crowder does when he hears Seder's going to be in the same zipcode as him.

 

[Had]

Daily wire wrote about it

"OPINION: Steven Crowder Showed Why We Shouldn’t Engage With ‘Debate Me Bros’"
(link)
They try to make a fluff piece but honestly they just make him sound worse than he did in the call itself.

 

[Guest 666]

Spoiled rich kid who's daddy bought him a career in the media, first as a failed comedian and then as a pundit. Sucks all the right dicks to be part of the "in crowd" of lunatic lefties (most notably Rachel Maddow), got fired from MSNBC for being a hypocritical shit then bullied MSNBC to rehire him, and generally a cowardly shitstain who won't go on shows to debate center-left/right wingers unless he gets to ambush them and was outed recently for being a ringleader in a plot to bar left wingers from going on Tim Pool's show and slandering Tim as being a right wing Nazi because he dares question the anti-life equation that is the modern left.

 

[Pimpleking55]

So Ethan wants a debate with Crowder, Crowder agrees and everything is a go, debate starts everything is civil and suddenly someone total unrelated joins in? Yeah i would be pissed to, that is not how you do business and build trust. Crowder can be a cringy annoying idiot but Ethan fucked this up.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

So Crowder wants a debate with Ethan, Ehtan agrees and everything is a go, debate starts and someone total unrelated joins in? Yeah i would be pissed to, that is not how you do business and build trust. Crowder can be a cringy annoying idiot but Ethan fucked this up.

Ethan is the one who requested a "debate". He was offered a chance to amicably discuss the difference of opinion, and he turned it into an online pissing match because that's about the only thing he really can do. He has to wave around his e-penis because his real one doesn't work.

 

[Übertroon]

According to the politicon organizers, and later Gavin McInnes.
I don't have to do "admit it was 50/50" because there wasn't even a debate. It was an unfunny internet comedian trolling a different unfunny internet comedian with the help of some youtube news anchor. Crowder made himself look awful. I'm not going to cut him slack because you like him.

If what Seder wants is attention and viewership, do you think he'd have gotten more of it through a boring 30 minute debate? Or a 30 minute shoutfest that instantly went viral? If his goal was to not give Seder attention, he did a pretty poor job of that as well. He challenged Ethan to a debate specifically because he knew Ethan was a dumbass that wasn't going to be able to defend a position coherently. The reason he was so pissed isn't because he was cleverly 5d chessing Seder out of what he wanted. The thing immediately went viral. How are you going to make the argument that this was somehow depriving Seder of the attention he was supposedly lusting for? I can guarantee that not as many people would've known about this going down and therefore known about Seder if they'd just had a reasonable 10 minute back and forth about the issues before Crowder tells him 'look, I didn't ask you to be here, you're kinda invading on my show, I'm going to need to stop this segment' or whatever.

That's all well and good, but his word doesn't matter. Yes these college kids go on this show because they're idiots who think they know more than they actually do. I never disputed that. I just don't think I need to respect Crowder for owning them when he prepares for these discussion through rehearsal of specific talking points that he always guides the discussion towards. As soon as you realize that he brings 5 or 6 specific rehearsed points that he then guides every single conversation of a segment towards, any illusion that these are good faith, spirited debates between two people wanting to exchange ideas disappears like Crowder does when he hears Seder's going to be in the same zipcode as him.

You're naive if you think this wouldn't go viral anyhow. Actually giving Seder what he wanted would have been a mistake. There's good reason for why nobody wants to debate the snake, and this ambush justifies it even more. People are splitting perfectly between ideological lines, and they would have done so if Crowder had let it slide that he got deceived by Ethan and Seder. You gain nothing by showing respect to people who have none towards you. Lies and deception should be met with zero tolerance, humoring Seder would give him recognition he doesn't deserve.