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I'd say something about the old guard being pissed as the Doctor is meant to be above sexuality, but who are we kidding, they left ages ago.
Creative works you enjoyed until politics happened - "How politics made me hate Welcome to Nightvale and other things"
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(These rumours have been denied now, but assuming they were true…)
They didn’t cast Olly Alexander to play the Doctor being attracted to men. They cast him in order to play the Doctor as a flaming homosexual.
You see in almost any piece of unscripted media with Alexander, he’s one of those gay men that lives up to the stereotype. So it doesn’t matter whether or not they address the Doctor’s sexuality in-story (he’s kissed both guys and girls and changed his own gender - if anything, making him a gay man would be a step back). What matters is that the BBC get to pat themselves on the back for having a visible minority on-screen.
I don’t know who this decision would please though. The Twitter crowd will be annoyed that the BBC has gone back to casting white men after one white woman in the role - especially after Series 12 worked so hard to shoehorn a bunch of non-white, non-male incarnations into the Doctor’s timeline. And one of them (Jo Martin, a black woman) was teased to be her successor. I can’t see the next Doctor being anything other than a black woman, or at least a woman of colour because of this. And people are saying it would racist to deny Jo Martin of the role that was so rightfully promised to her, especially after confirmation when her episode aired that she’s not from an alternate timeline.
And to the Fandom Menace spergs, Olly Alexander would be just another diversity hire. He may indeed be a better casting choice than Whittaker. Like, at least he has the ability to act grandiose and authoritative - something Whittaker’s Doctor was sorely lacking. But these are not the only traits we need in a Doctor, and besides, the damage was already done with Whittaker.
He also looks way too much like an effing teenager - I know everyone said Matt Smith and David Tennant were too young as well, so that might be a good omen for him. The winning formula in New Who has been for an attractive young man to play the Doctor. Plus, the show can’t stop harkening back to the Tenant era, mostly because it knows it will probably never improve on that.
Yet it seems this rumour has been put to bed. Part of me still wishes it was true however, if only so that I could see the Twitter crowd fucking lose their minds while the show they love continues to suck. But I think it would ultimately be more satisfying for them to get exactly what they want, and be stuck having to pretend that they like it. So on that note, bring on Michaela Coel as the Doctor.
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Oh god. So in the name of representation, they've decided to cast someone who is going to confirm the prejudices of every superannuated homophobe who is so far in the closet they're having adventures in Narnia, and have him act like a strutting, bitchy-remarking, Z-snapping yas queen slay wig-snatcher, thus derailing the entire plot or character arcs of every episode from here on in.
Doctor Who is over. I think it's time to take it out the back and shoot it.
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I haven't been interested in the Doctor since David Tennant played the part. It's been almost exclusively irritating whimsy and cringe ever since.
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Again, the casting rumour was denied, but assuming for a moment that it were true:
If anything, their primary concern for this would have been to cast a man with boyish good looks, since that was what worked so well in the show’s glory years. (They’ve been trying to course correct with callbacks to the glory years ever since the start of Jodie’s second season, presumably due to the lukewarm reception of her first, so it’s actually quite plausible that they’d want do this.) But they’d still also have this conflicting need to represent the wimmins and pee oh cees, so they probably would have come to that decision thinking something along the lines of: “Well, a gay man is the next best thing if we can’t have a woman.”
Anyway, Doctor Who is not just over. It’s been dead for a while, but not buried yet. Its corpse has been festering since The Diversity-Hire Timeless Children. On that note, the most embarrassing part of that story was the BBC spending the better part of two seasons building up to it (cryptic hints were dropped in Jodie’s second full episode), and they even destroyed the Doctor’s home planet (…again) to make it have more of an emotional impact. This failed and despite everything, the episode set records for how much it wasn’t watched. Worst viewing figures since the eighties, which was a period just before it got cancelled for the first time.
But the writing was on the wall when Peter Capaldi finished regenerating into Whittaker, and she immediately exclaimed “Brilliant!” which seemed totally incongruous with the shock of getting an entirely new body, let alone the change of sex.
And the woke stuff was creeping into it at least two seasons before then, revealed in moments like where a time lord regenerates into a woman in Hell Bent, it’s supposed to be a dramatic moment when they reveal she’s a woman, and she immediately makes a disparaging remark about the egos of men.
Moments like this become so much worse in hindsight, because you now know what awful episodes they set the groundwork for.
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I haven't watched Doctor Who in years, but I feel like they could have pandered to the woke crowd while still remaining palatable to everyone else by just casting a black guy as the Doctor instead of Whittaker.
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I honestly wouldn't say a lot of things for me got ruined by politics.
If anything, I was more of a casual fan of superhero movies up until the mcu really started getting repetitive and grew bored of it solely out of disinterest. Though I will say hearing about the neverending shitshows with Marvel's artists and storywriters using their comics for political soapboxing did leave a sour taste in my mouth whenever I rewatched some of the movies later on.
Now something that almost was ruined for me was Fallout New Vegas. Seeing nonstop stupid memes from political spergs bitching about the politics of the game online really just annoyed the shit out of me. Most people who are way too passionate about the politics in fallout often come off to me as pretentious and insufferable, especially if they try to use it as a reference for current events going on. I fixed this by unfollowing some twitter pages and content blocking any controversial mods regarding politics on nexus (though thankfully the Nexus moderators have finally been cracking down on that).
If anything, I was more of a casual fan of superhero movies up until the mcu really started getting repetitive and grew bored of it solely out of disinterest. Though I will say hearing about the neverending shitshows with Marvel's artists and storywriters using their comics for political soapboxing did leave a sour taste in my mouth whenever I rewatched some of the movies later on.
Now something that almost was ruined for me was Fallout New Vegas. Seeing nonstop stupid memes from political spergs bitching about the politics of the game online really just annoyed the shit out of me. Most people who are way too passionate about the politics in fallout often come off to me as pretentious and insufferable, especially if they try to use it as a reference for current events going on. I fixed this by unfollowing some twitter pages and content blocking any controversial mods regarding politics on nexus (though thankfully the Nexus moderators have finally been cracking down on that).
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Which is a pity because series 9 was absolutely mega and the closest we've got to classic Who since 2005 with every episode being a multi-parter. Heaven Sent was one of the best episodes of Who ever. Smart, tight, and packed with character development.
Alas, series 10 was wonky as shit. Bill "Have I mentioned I am a lesbian today" Potts, and episodes which tried to be too clever for their own good (like a ten mile long colony ship close enough to a black hole to undergo time dilation, how on earth would that happen) or a mining colony set up to strawman "capitalism bad" by rationing air to its workers, even though this would be counterproductive beyond belief, or similar. Basically, Steven Moffatt clonked it on the head with pretention, Chris Chinballs stuck the knife of identity politics and current year pandering in, the Timeless Children dug its grave, and this next move is going to bury it.
It's ogre.
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The funny thing is, if they'd known how big BLM was going to be in a few years, I think they would have done that and the show would have been better for it. Not necessarily good, but definitely better.
And if it came to a choice between a black man or a white woman, perhaps Chibnall could have been persuaded to absndon his pet project (prior to being made showrunner, he insisted on his new Doctor being a woman), but he'd arguably have had just as much reason to do the Timeless Children storyline anyway, only now it would have been credited with introducing femaleness rather than blackness to the Doctor's past.
A charismatic black man would still have acted the socks off of Jodie Whittaker, and perhaps built up enough viewer goodwill to weather the storm that is The Timeless Children. But considering the BBC's first choice for a token black guy was a plank of wood named Tosin Cole, I have my doubts.
A lot of people (myself included) have said Richard Ayoade. His nerdy demeanor, black afro hair, foreign sounding name and what I can only describe as eccentric Englishness would have ticked damn near every box. Unfortunately he is a comedy actor first and foremost, and would not have had the range to carry the more dramatic scenes (he does it quite well in Mandalorian, but only because in that show he plays a robot). He's even said himself that he's not very good at acting.
Doctor Who does have a knack for coaxing dramatic performances out of comedy actors (see also: Catherine Tate), so I still think maybe they could have done it. And even then, it would still have been a preferable option to Whittaker.
But I think the only thing that could reasonably have saved it would have been a much better showrunner than Chris Chibnall. What I hear however is that no one else wanted to do it, and whoever replaced him would still have to deal with woke mandates from the BBC.
It didn't seem to matter half as much with Steven Moffat as showrunner. Either he faced much less demands for woke stuff because he was grandfathered into the role, or the BBC as a whole got a lot more woke after 2016. Or maybe he was just better able to weave the woke moments into a story, or perhaps viewers like me were simply less tired of it. Possibly it was all four reasons at once. But I lean on the second and third for why Doctor Who took such a nosedive in quality between Series 10 and 11.
And at the time I didn't see anything wrong with Series 10. But then again, I also didn't see anything wrong with the first season of Star Trek Discovery, mostly since I didn't see woke storytelling as such a problem back then. I haven't gone back and watched Series 10 though, and I almost don't want to. I'd rather just keep my good memories of the episodes than find out they're actually awful.
But the 10-mile colony ship I will always remember though as the episode that Made Cybermen Great Again - it does at least understand black hole physics better than The Impossible Planet (widely considered to be one of New Who's best episodes, but I'm still gonna be that asshole and say it's totally possible for a planet to orbit a black hole). And if that was what bothered you, well, I dare say it's just a convenient scapegoat for the deeper (and harder to describe) flaws that broke your immersion in the series leading up to it - similar in that regard to my advanced spergout about Resolution.
Holy fuck, congratulations to the Nexus moderators. I don't know much about them or the modding community, but this is not at all how I'd expect the moderators of any special-interest community to behave with regard to woke politics, etc. Whenever I come across an ideological disagreement between an online community and the people in charge of it, it almost always seems to be the other way round.
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It can be traced back to when Elianora (a modder and lolcow in her own right) decided to make a black lives matter mod for fallout 4 about a year ago and it started a domino effect of people making response mods or parody like 'blue lives matter', 'ghoul lives matter', or 'synth lives matter' in response before the entire thing devolved into one gigantic shit flinging contest of clout seekers. This even got her to delete the mod.
So it was either bend over backwards and give into demands of special interest groups, or deal with the constant drama of people shitting up the mod files with low effort mods (most of them were just basic retexture mods that can be done in an hour with photoshop) and endless forum drama.
There was also some drama as well over some troons making trans pride flags for FNV a couple months back and similar effect with people making super straight pride flags or straight pride flags in response.
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"Her" or actually a her?
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Oh God the Horror. This is why I don't watch TV anymore. Can't even enjoy cartoons anymore because now they want to be marxist indoctrination machines. There's also Cartoon Network and its retarded woke shit too. Like ever since the Floyd Riots, CN lost its fucking mind. I used to enjoy that network as a kid and looking back at it now is painful.
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What will be more Faggoty, this Doctor or Nerdrotic's 8 Billion Videos about it?
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Honka Honka Burning Love
In Clown World, the only god is the one who Honks.
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So..that means Nerdrotic will only make 7 Billion Videos about it?
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It means they're too slow and will not make any videos about it.
The main Nerdrage accounts have documented the whole thing throughout anyway.
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I always thought that out of the two developers I liked as a kid, Naughty Dog and Insomniac, the latter was in much worse shape than the former, but if they were willing to let go of this fag and his pals then maybe there is some hope for them.
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