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How do you guys respond to the argument that trans women should be allowed to compete against biological females because "all sports are about genetic advantages, basketball players are taller, baseball players have better reaction times, etc." It all seems very self-evident to me that the suite of differences between biological males and females are much more significant and numerous than something like NBA players being taller on average, but I admit that it's somewhat hard to articulate.

The difference is this. Basketball is not segregated by height. Baseball is not segregated by reaction times. Sports ARE pretty much all segregated by sex. Their argument would only be valid if we had a league for people below 5'4'' (on the basis that short people are at such a disadvantage they wouldn't get to play competitively without special leagues) and we allowed taller people in if they identified as short. Would they be okay with people boxing in lower weight divisions because they were dysphoric about their weight?

The advantages of transwomen in female sports is not the same as the advantage of tall/muscular/quick females. Having fast reaction time will give you a tiny advantage, which may or not result in a medal as the woman will be competing against other women with their own slight advantages, skills and training levels. On the other hand, male advantage is huge: TW were usually pretty mediocre when competing as males and only reveal their advantage when competing against females.

When I talk to people who think TW in women's sport is no big deal I ask them the following: height, body shape, reaction times, etc. all give people genetic advantages in sport; are you saying that 'being born male' is just another innate advantage in female sport?

In some sports, coaches look out for youngsters with the right physical attributes for their sports. A very tall kid is going to be approached by basketball coaches, a tall and broad kid is going to having American football and rowing coaches fighting over them. Should coaches of girls' sports just appraoch trans girls?

Edited to add:

Here is a proper scientific takedown of the 'Phelps Gambit': the idea that if Phelps' advantage is okay, then why not transwomen:

 
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Since uterus transplants are likely impossible, do you think it is more likely we will see babies being taken away from 'unworthy' women to be given to transwomen who want their own children (since the desires of powerful men are always what counts)? Or is the pregnancy fetishism aspect too big of a deal for this to satisfy them?
The only reason I don't think this will happen is because most troons can't even be bothered to do their makeup or dress themselves properly; no way they'd be willing to jump through all the hoops (I would hope) adoption requires.

Then again I've been guilty of rampant optimism before, so I probably shouldn't rule anything out in our current Clownworld timeline.
 
Cross-posting from another thread, this one is more suitable. Read the stunning and brave tags.
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A troon that doesn’t understand being a woman, or being a Muslim.

I do not believe for a second this man is a believer. He just wants to be objectified, treated badly, and otherwise degraded. Look at his hashtags, this is a fetish. He is a mockery of women and of Islam.

I’d say he should do a flip, but I’d like to see him take this fetish all the way to joining ISIS.
 
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I'm mystified by these demands for uterus implants. They actually sound sincere. Do you reckon they think that a uterus transplant into a trans woman is actually possible, and it's just transphobic scientists keeping it secret? It probably comes from a lot of trans women being programmers or something, and thinking the body like a computer with plug and play hardware. Maybe they drank the coolaid about neovaginas being the exact same as a regular vagina, and don't understand that it's a non-functional facsimile.

I think it is extremely common even among non-trans to remember the human body as the kind of easy-to-learn system that we all remember from high school biology, and assume there is not much more to it than that. Even though they are always repeating the 'biology is more complicated than you learned in high school, sweety' line they do not grasp that say, human endocrine system is less of a 'plug and play' system like you said, and more like a Rube Goldberg machine. This is a bit of a spergy topic of mine so I will keep it short, but I think there are a lot of health issues that we have not yet even connected as coming from the contraceptive pill, let alone issues related to pumping natal males full of female hormones for decades. And yet they think we could even start to deal with the hormones needed for pregnancy?!

I suppose many of them have a lifelong habit of not listening to women about anything (which prevents them from learning about the actual experience of pregnancy) and ignoring anything that does not make them feel validated. If you got deep into that mindset I suppose you could fall into this hole.

I am amazed that they skipped right over the surrogacy issue (which is what actual women use when they want to exploit other women for the purpose of childbearing; not that all surrogacies are exploitative, but a lot are) and went right to demanding women supply them with body parts. Just amazing.

I think we're still far away from them forcibly taking babies.

"Plenty of cis couples can't conceive and have babies through other means." So it will be sperm/ egg donation and suragocy. Which of course leads to desperate women in the third world being used to grow babies. That's the path it will go. Barriers will be broken down to make that easier for the troons to access. Women will suffer being baby farms.
But why have none of them expressed interest in surrogacy the way they have in womb transplants then? I think there is an element there of wanting to take something from the women they are threatened by, and using some poor wretch in India is not going to scratch that itch.
 
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Cross-posting from another thread, this one is more suitable. Read the stunning and brave tags.
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Oh god, there are a bunch of them on Twitter.

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There is something to be said here about how widespread social anxieties become weird sexual kinks in a small subset of people, I suppose. But mostly I am just horrified.
 
Oh god, there are a bunch of them on Twitter.

There is something to be said here about how widespread social anxieties become weird sexual kinks in a small subset of people, I suppose. But mostly I am just horrified.
Maitreya, Kalki, Jesus, Moshiach ben David, King Arthur; I don't know who it will be but I hope he comes quickly.
 
Troons demanding an unattainable goal is the logical next step in their collective cope. They need something to focus on, some next step in their process, and all the better if it's literally impossible: that way there's no hangover and regret, because it'll never even happen.
It's a maladaptive coping mechanism. Like an addiction, it can never be fully sated, only temporarily appeased. They need more and stronger types of affirmation to keep the bad feelings at bay. It's like climbing a mountain with no summit that just gets steeper the higher up you go.
 
The difference is this. Basketball is not segregated by height. Baseball is not segregated by reaction times. Sports ARE pretty much all segregated by sex. Their argument would only be valid if we had a league for people below 5'4'' (on the basis that short people are at such a disadvantage they wouldn't get to play competitively without special leagues) and we allowed taller people in if they identified as short. Would they be okay with people boxing in lower weight divisions because they were dysphoric about their weight?

The advantages of transwomen in female sports is not the same as the advantage of tall/muscular/quick females. Having fast reaction time will give you a tiny advantage, which may or not result in a medal as the woman will be competing against other women with their own slight advantages, skills and training levels. On the other hand, male advantage is huge: TW were usually pretty mediocre when competing as males and only reveal their advantage when competing against females.

When I talk to people who think TW in women's sport is no big deal I ask them the following: height, body shape, reaction times, etc. all give people genetic advantages in sport; are you saying that 'being born male' is just another innate advantage in female sport?

In some sports, coaches look out for youngsters with the right physical attributes for their sports. A very tall kid is going to be approached by basketball coaches, a tall and broad kid is going to having American football and rowing coaches fighting over them. Should coaches of girls' sports just appraoch trans girls?

Edited to add:

Here is a proper scientific takedown of the 'Phelps Gambit': the idea that if Phelps' advantage is okay, then why not transwomen:

Their ideas makes sense ONLY if we accept that trans-women were born women and have no differences than biological women. Michael Phelps wasn't born as a dolphin.

Rules changes in sports over time to prevent people taking advantage of the rules or having an unfair advantage.
Here's a video about a guy that was born with half a foot, this meant that he could kick a football head on. They changed the rules because it was unfair, he still held the record for longest field goal for 43 years.
It's a five minute video and somewhat funny, they also have other videos of rules changing because of certain people or certain behavior.
Oh god, there are a bunch of them on Twitter.

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There is something to be said here about how widespread social anxieties become weird sexual kinks in a small subset of people, I suppose. But mostly I am just horrified.
Yeah, click around on the hashtags and there's so much weird shit. And the guy I posted is commenting on normal selfies taken by women in the arab world.

What I really want right now is for Corona-chan to go away so I can see a thousand creeps like him proudly marching in next years Pride parade. Can't kink shame anyone.
 
My threshold for mati has been significantly raised in the years since I been reading here, geuss the whole spa thing so up close and in real time left me a little tender, couse i swore at loud reading this. Apearantly it can get worse than surprise dick in the locker rooms.
Found on reddit (offcourse).

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Uploaded by the actual shitbag degenerate "masseuse". These people have litterally no shame. Hopefully it's just a twinkie twink, let's find out!

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Off-fucking-course not...

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You can tell hes a transbian becouse he makes your eyes vomit and die.
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(Was supposed to be the balding laydee in a bikini, but for some reason it's the only one that doest want to upload. My apologies.)



And omg the hate you guysss, finally found his dream job but those transphobes just dont let him live ya know
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Everyday I wonder why the tolerance for trannies isn't lowering in the mainstream when there are people who believe that a grown man that dresses like a woman should have the full right to pose as a woman and want a "spite-message" for the sole purpose of owning the transphobes.
 
Everyday I wonder why the tolerance for trannies isn't lowering in the mainstream when there are people who believe that a grown man that dresses like a woman should have the full right to pose as a woman and want a "spite-message" for the sole purpose of owning the transphobes.
It is though. People are realizing the bs it is, and it’s only the media and the corporations who are pushing it.
 
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>Women Posting Their W's
>Posts a man

This is what we in the business like to call situational irony
To be fair, this isn't the first time that Women Posting W's has posted a tranny. Awhile back there was some controversy over a post about a furry tranny who arranged his HRT pills to say "POGGERS" and the account owner posted a response saying that they accept "all women" including troons and called the real women transphobes. The QRTs were full of trannies and their enablers calling it a W.
 
If you ever see somebody on a gaming subreddit refer to themself as female, it's a tranny. Every time. Spotted this lovely critter in a sub for a particularly autistic game:

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I think this post spited us all, frankly.
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Over/under on his "girlfriend" being another ogreish man?

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Gee, I wonder why a man was staring at an autistic, greasy-haired, thumb-looking dude dressed up as a teenage girl. It must be because he was checking you out.
 
Everyday I wonder why the tolerance for trannies isn't lowering in the mainstream when there are people who believe that a grown man that dresses like a woman should have the full right to pose as a woman and want a "spite-message" for the sole purpose of owning the transphobes.
For many people trannies are an ethereal, unfortunate class they only hear of in the news or in political discussion. The instant they come face to face with one irl their discomfort is immediate and a disgust starts to grow in their mind that cripples the image the media crafted them. The more trannies there are who openly flaunt their debauchery, the less accepted they become.
 
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