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FuckingDogs4Living said:
Black Book of Communism is not the only book stating this figure, bro. Other works include numbers even higher than that, famines alone could account for 40 million. Take repressions, suicidal attack plans, ethnic cleansing, class cleansing and etc into account and one can easily get to a number even higher than that.

I don’t think Capitalism has ever caused such atrocities as the GULAGs or the great Chinese famine, the closest example I could think of would be Congo Free State, but it’s not really comparable.

In any case, arguing about it is useless and derailing, but fuck commies, they can eat shit.
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If you include famines under communism, you gotta also include famines under capitalism.

Pure capitalism sucks, but pure communism sucks, too. The best, imo, is a mix of both. Capitalism with some socialism
 
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
If you include famines under communism, you gotta also include famines under capitalism.

Pure capitalism sucks, but pure communism sucks, too. The best, imo, is a mix of both. Capitalism with some socialism
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Do tell me about famines under capitalist systems. Those that were man-made and not due to weather.

Regarding your second point, I agree. That is why I said that social capitalism, where the lowliest of men are protected, but one can still rise above one’s stature and become rich is the ideal.
 
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FuckingDogs4Living said:
Do tell me about famines under capitalist systems. Those that were man-made and not due to weather.

Regarding your second point, I agree. That is why I said that social capitalism, where the lowliest of men are protected, but one can still rise above one’s stature and become rich is the ideal.
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There's been cases in Africa, under capitalist societies, where groups will withhold aid and food. There's also cases where people have starved because they can't afford food.
 
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
There's been cases in Africa, under capitalist societies, where groups will withhold aid and food. There's also cases where people have starved because they can't afford food.
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Yeah, wouldn’t reach 40-50 million people, sorry. Plus Africa is still extremely primitive, almost tribal in a lot of ways. Their socialism, capitalism, communism and even their notion of Islam/Christianity is extremely warped and primitive.
 
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Coily said:
The Maga crowd still using fascist and nazi as insults is quite curious, since in real life they seem to want a closed, authoritarian society ruled by an Old Testament based WASP oligarchy in which individual and communal freedom are greatly constrained.
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Their forebears were the people who argued we should have allied with Hitler to destroy Stalin.
 
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FuckingDogs4Living said:
Do tell me about famines under capitalist systems. Those that were man-made and not due to weather.

Regarding your second point, I agree. That is why I said that social capitalism, where the lowliest of men are protected, but one can still rise above one’s stature and become rich is the ideal.
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Tsarist Russian famine in the 1890’s, the two bengal famines, the turnip winter, various famines in Africa due to extreme poverty and all aid being taken by the rich in charge. As much as you want to point fingers at the communists, the capitalist death toll by famine is pretty close.
 
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FuckingDogs4Living said:
Yeah, wouldn’t reach 40-50 million people, sorry. Plus Africa is still extremely primitive, almost tribal in a lot of ways. Their socialism, capitalism, communism and even their notion of Islam/Christianity is extremely warped and primitive.
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So you are saying it doesn't count because you said so
 
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proteus4994 said:
This hasn’t been true in my lifetime or yours.
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How can someone believe that tale? Look at all the megabillionaires, they come from money, their families come from money, and the fortune was created thanks to their ancestors using the State to gain privileges, cheap labor and stiffle any competition. Money begets money who is kept in the same hands.
 
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Alex Krycek said:
With a few exceptions I mostly agree. Some start ups do manage to make it big though. Even still it’s preferable to Hard Socialism.
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Oh, I’m not arguing for Hard Socialism. I don’t know what the right answer is. But for every one kid that bootstraps themselves out of abject poverty in capitalism, there are hundreds of thousands that don’t, and I can’t figure out how anyone thinks that’s a fair system, or the best that humanity can do.
 
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proteus4994 said:
Oh, I’m not arguing for Hard Socialism. I don’t know what the right answer is. But for every one kid that bootstraps themselves out of abject poverty in capitalism, there are hundreds of thousands that don’t, and I can’t figure out how anyone thinks that’s a fair system, or the best that humanity can do.
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People who think it's a fair system do so because they either benefit from it or they're paid to say so. Similarly, anyone who thinks capitalism is the best humanity can do probably has a vested interest in saying so.

There's a renewed interest in socialism for a reason. It used to be in the old days that when it seemed like the workers were getting so pissed off they were going to get rid of the bosses, they had to concede some stuff to calm the tensions. That's why we have the eight-hour day, the weekend, and so on. The things you take for granted were called "socialist claptrap" a hundred years ago.

Nowadays, however, the rich seem to be so far up their own ass they wonder why we don't feel privileged to serve them.
 
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