Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[starborn427614]

Movie's fine. Didn't really catch much of the school seasons, kind of outgrew CN by that point.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Yeah as the person above just said, he’s the producer of a new show with another GF alumni and did some work alongside another GF alumni with Mitchells vs the Machines, so he probably has some work with Netflix once Owl House is over. OTOH his attempts at breaking into Hollywood haven’t been as successful and he’s far from rising hotshot animator he was when GF was airing.

He's also done voice work for Owl House and Amphiba.

I think he really overestimated how much Gravity Falls would do for him. I like it, will show it to appropriately aged family members and do consider it a very well done show. But it was a 2 season animated series and he seemed to think that he could coast on that. Not seeing Ducktales coming up fast proving that Disney, when they recognise the market exists for series like that, are more than happy to keep the train going but not likely to bow down before some newcomer high on one big success.

His social media activity suggests either he pushed for too much after Gravity Falls trying to get work out of Disney and is bitter they said no or got told he was still a newcomer and with existing plans would not be getting another series immediately though they were happy to keep him around. Either way he looks to have flounced a lot and is probably banking on a lot of success from the new show. Hopefully it goes well, for all I don't agree with a lot of his personal attitudes he appears to be both a competent and entertaining storyteller.

 

[Yamma Damma]

The Owl House fandom is having a fuckibng stroke right now because Luz (who is stated to be bisexual) spoke to a b o y.
Now they convinced themselves they're siblings, because they can't admit he's a better character than Amity.

edit: shoot, this was supposed to go to the shipping thread, but we were discussing TOH anyway. The recent episode is actually pretty good, maybe the show will redeem itself because stuff about the convent and the emperor are more interesting than romance shit. Hunter is a good character, but it's fucking hilarious how hypocritical Lumity hos are.
What if Dana's been baiting us all along?
edit2: Fans are rallying on twitter to save the show but looking through the hashtag it's mostly Lumity shit. Literally all they care about.

What a monkey's paw situation.
"I wish for my show to be popular!"
*show is popular specifically among horny genderspecials*

Has anyone noticed ever since Rowling said/did shit that wasn't PC, almost every famous media maker has been trying like crazy to make something similar to it in the hopes they could be the new Pottershit? Magic schools, magic wars, magic queermos, and of course MaGic PrOm! In this fruitless effort to do so they've made magic fantasy staler than a bag of chips from 1995.

You know these people didn't watch the series until Lumity happened, since Luz was repeatedly thirsty af for several random background macho male characters.

Honestly I think SJWs only come to shows once they trough a gay character in.

Even with corporations, most creatives, marketing teams, the fucking government and news outlets catering to their demand for Gay Alphabet stuff, they just can't get enough. After all they're still pissy the boys from Luca not being cocksuckers. If Ramona Flowers ruined women, Steven Universe (and by extension Adventure Time) ruined gays.

Shaggy: boy am I glad we're out here and he's frozen in there.

What I wanna know is where's the caveman?

 

[A Grey Cat]

Notice the texture of this meatloaf! And the pineapples give it a festive touch!

The meatloaf should be spongy, yet firm!

Don't just touch it! Embrace it!

 

[starborn427614]

What a monkey's paw situation.
"I wish for my show to be popular!"
*show is popular specifically among horny genderspecials*

Has anyone noticed ever since Rowling said/did shit that wasn't PC, almost every famous media maker has been trying like crazy to make something similar to it in the hopes they could be the new Pottershit? Magic schools, magic wars, magic queermos, and of course MaGic PrOm! In this fruitless effort to do so they've made magic fantasy staler than a bag of chips from 1995.



Even with corporations, most creatives, marketing teams, the fucking government and news outlets catering to their demand for Gay Alphabet stuff, they just can't get enough. After all they're still pissy the boys from Luca not being cocksuckers. If Ramona Flowers ruined women, Steven Universe (and by extension Adventure Time) ruined gays.


What I wanna know is where's the caveman?

Now that you mention it, I'm actually curious as to what the catalyst for all the tumblr culture shit was because I'm pretty sure it happened way before AT and SU were a thing. Feels like it just came out of nowhere (specifically the gender stuff, not the gays obviously).

 

[Admin Dissipate Swordfish]

Has anyone noticed ever since Rowling said/did shit that wasn't PC, almost every famous media maker has been trying like crazy to make something similar to it in the hopes they could be the new Pottershit? Magic schools, magic wars, magic queermos, and of course MaGic PrOm! In this fruitless effort to do so they've made magic fantasy staler than a bag of chips from 1995.

Maybe it's the reasoning of "This magical fantasy shit sells well and is beloved--but we'll make things explicitly gay and get it RIGHT--unlike that British TERF and her millions of dollars in cash!"

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Has anyone noticed ever since Rowling said/did shit that wasn't PC, almost every famous media maker has been trying like crazy to make something similar to it in the hopes they could be the new Pottershit? Magic schools, magic wars, magic queermos, and of course MaGic PrOm! In this fruitless effort to do so they've made magic fantasy staler than a bag of chips from 1995.

It's not even since J.K. angered the church of latter day wokdom. Companies are shameless and when things start to do well they will try to hop aboard the hype. Hence why we got movies like Legend of the Seeker, it's more about profit than pandering.

 

[Fat Tub of Lard]

Notice the texture of this meatloaf! And the pineapples give it a festive touch!

The meatloaf should be spongy, yet firm!

Don't just touch it! Embrace it!

The cheese was the best character in that show. He was better than both the Bologna and the Salami combined.

 

[Private Pyle]

Now that you mention it, I'm actually curious as to what the catalyst for all the tumblr culture shit was because I'm pretty sure it happened way before AT and SU were a thing. Feels like it just came out of nowhere (specifically the gender stuff, not the gays obviously).

I’m going to take a stab in the dark and say it started with shippers. As far backs the 90s, people have loved themselves some gays and lesbians, mostly for shipping/horny reasons. As the years went by, fringe id politics slowly started picking up online. Eventually, with the advent of social media, these two things collided, creating the modern fandoms as we know them.
Not the most perfect theory but it’s my best guess.

Maybe it's the reasoning of "This magical fantasy shit sells well and is beloved--but we'll make things explicitly gay and get it RIGHT--unlike that British TERF and her millions of dollars in cash!"

It's not even since J.K. angered the church of latter day wokdom. Companies are shameless and when things start to do well they will try to hop aboard the hype. Hence why we got movies like Legend of the Seeker, it's more about profit than pandering.

In regards to Owl House, it feels like a bit of column A and column B. It really seems to be trying hard to be the ultimate 2010s cartoon, pandering to the deep lore GF crowd and the shipping/LGBT+ SU/She Ra crowd. Throw in the ever popular HP style magic school and you have a perfect trend chasing cartoon.
And while it is true that “rehashing an old idea bad making it browner and gayer” is often done in spite, it’s also just how the creative process for most media now.

 

[AnOminous]

I’m going to take a stab in the dark and say it started with shippers. As far backs the 90s, people have loved themselves some gays and lesbians, mostly for shipping/horny reasons.

Well before then. ST: TOS had to tell people submitting Kirk/Spock slash as scripts to knock that shit off and that was in the '60s.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

In regards to Owl House, it feels like a bit of column A and column B. It really seems to be trying hard to be the ultimate 2010s cartoon, pandering to the deep lore GF crowd and the shipping/LGBT+ SU/She Ra crowd. Throw in the ever popular HP style magic school and you have a perfect trend chasing cartoon.

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Which is unfair towards Owl House, it is not pure rip off and a lot of its references are funny (the Sorting Hat one got me chuckling). But it is very clear the puff pieces and fandom are trying to demand it follows all the current social media trends.

I remember seeing a review for Space Force (non-animation thing) where the review basically had no problems with the show but demanded it more specifically call out Trump as the president in setting despite clearly insinuating it was him or someone like him. It was someone so desperate for non-stop validation of their personal views that they needed their fictional show to validate them. Kind of what is happening with the Olw House fanbase.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I legit feel bad for owl house. In the current year climate it can't just be an animated show about a girl leaning magic after realizing it exists. It's not animated but allow me to quote Steven king's IT

"I don't understand this at all I don't understand any of this. Why does a story have to be socio-anything? Politics... Culture... History... Aren't those natural ingredients in any story.... If it's told well? I mean... " He looks around, sees hostile eyes, and realizes dimly that they see this as some sort of attack. Maybe it even is they are thinking, he realizes, that maybe there is sexist death merchant in their midst. "I mean... Can't you guys let a story be a story?

Those DID used to be the natural ingredients for telling a story but those "hostile eyes." are now everywhere. Not just in the campus' of liberal colleges but on twitter and in some cases the writer's rooms that make western cartoons. Said hostiles are second only to parents and kids when it comes to being the consumer who funds and supports western animation, so whatever they want they get.

 

[starborn427614]

Which is unfair towards Owl House, it is not pure rip off and a lot of its references are funny (the Sorting Hat one got me chuckling). But it is very clear the puff pieces and fandom are trying to demand it follows all the current social media trends.

Owl House does seem to be branching off from its clear inspiration which I can respect. It's very easy to judge things on their first impression and just leave it with that, lord knows I've done it many times over the years. As for your second point, that's another thing that's easy to conflate with the creators praising their own work (which is usually just giving credit to how hard their teams work). Most times when you hear articles popping up about how something is the gayest thing ever, the most inclusive etc. etc. it's not the showrunner saying these things, but it's so easy to not fact check and just assume they are since it fits the narrative.

 

[Fat Tub of Lard]

I legit feel bad for owl house. In the current year climate it can't just be an animated show about a girl leaning magic after realizing it exists. It's not animated but allow me to quote Steven king's IT



Those DID used to be the natural ingredients for telling a story but those "hostile eyes." are now everywhere. Not just in the campus' of liberal colleges but on twitter and in some cases the writer's rooms that make western cartoons. Said hostiles are second only to parents and kids when it comes to being the consumer who funds and supports western animation, so whatever they want they get.

The depressing irony is that the man who wrote that bit is Stephen King, a chronic sufferer of TDS who probably approves of all this shit.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Owl House does seem to be branching off from its clear inspiration which I can respect. It's very easy to judge things on their first impression and just leave it with that, lord knows I've done it many times over the years. As for your second point, that's another thing that's easy to conflate with the creators praising their own work (which is usually just giving credit to how hard their teams work). Most times when you hear articles popping up about how something is the gayest thing ever, the most inclusive etc. etc. it's not the showrunner saying these things, but it's so easy to not fact check and just assume they are since it fits the narrative.

motion to move these posts into an owl house megathread? Show of hands?

 

[starborn427614]

motion to move these posts into an owl house megathread? Show of hands?

Might be for the best, we are going on a bit of a tangent right now.

 

[Sneed F91]

I've been going through random Looney Tunes shorts because of Space Jam 2 coming out and I forgot just how entertaining they were. The most impressive part about them to me is that most of them never overstay their welcome. They're paced perfectly to tell the story they want in 6 - 10 minutes. Meanwhile Space Jam 2 is 2 hours long.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I've been going through random Looney Tunes shorts because of Space Jam 2 coming out and I forgot just how entertaining they were. The most impressive part about them to me is that most of them never overstay their welcome. They're paced perfectly to tell the story they want in 6 - 10 minutes. Meanwhile Space Jam 2 is 2 hours long.

The original was 100 minutes long, though. (Back in Action was just over 90 minutes. Another reason why it is the superior film.)

That's not the problem, though. The problem is no movie can be 90 minutes long anymore.

 

[Sneed F91]

That's not the problem, though. The problem is no movie can be 90 minutes long anymore.

Movies need to justify their runtime, but they usually don't have enough story to justify being 2 hours or more, especially all these shitty live action Hollywood blockbusters. They also have awful pacing too. Most animated films are only an hour and a half because they get more expensive the more stuff they have to animate (and they are movies for kids at the end of the day).

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Movies need to justify their runtime, but they usually don't have enough story to justify being 2 hours or more, especially all these shitty live action Hollywood blockbusters. They also have awful pacing too. Most animated films are only an hour and a half because they get more expensive the more stuff they have to animate (and they are movies for kids at the end of the day).

Even animated films are longer than they used to be.