Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Puck]

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Remember that play about trans issues in the UK that he was thinking about making? Apparently the gears are already in motion to make it happen. I genuinely want to see it happen though, it sounds like it would be hilarious.

Calling it now the hero of his play is just gonna be some shitty mary sue self insert

 

[fax machine]

(s/a)

Imagine claiming that Social Constructs wasn't a 24-minute seethe about the material reality that You Will Never Be a Mother or a True and Honest Woman, Die Mad.

I can't tell if PT actually believes the "trans stuff" there was "just sortof implied," or if he thinks his fans are so thick-skulled that he can lie in broad daylight and get away with it.

 

[extremely online]

I know this has already been touched on before, but there's no way that the snl825 account isn't PT. The posts that it has been liking— random tweets from accounts with less than 10 followers that happen to just casually mention PT's account— basically things that would only show up if you had a google alert or were constantly namesearching the username Philosophytube.

This account literally has six followers. (https://archive.is/Yqi73)

(https://archive.is/Q7F3c)

The similarities seem almost too close to be coincidental. There are crazed, obsessed fans of things in every corner of the internet, but this seems uncanny. The account hasn't tweeted since July 16th, but it has been liking things as recently as July 20th.

 

[AssignedEva]

To expand on my post about the typing quirks matching on both accounts, I think it’s very visible if you look out for some things.
Both regularly use single dashes in place of commas, almost always with a single space on either side of the dash which is unusual. (Eg. ‘Lorem ipsum - dolor sit amet’). Regular usage of ellipses which again is uncommon online. Also stand-out to me is the weird usage of exclamation marks by both users, even in mundane situations. Eg.
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There are more examples than this. If you scroll both accounts with these quirks in mind then you’ll see the similarities jump out. Both accounts also habitually use “lol” (common) but also “heck” and, most oddly, both often slur out curse words like “Sh*t” and “f*ck”. Plus what was aforementioned about the use of “babes”. I also recall Olly using “y’all” a lot as that’s odd for a Brit but I could be misremembering. The anon count uses that a lot anyway.
In conclusion for this hyperautistic language breakdown I’d say either Olly has a VERY obsessive fan with an account solely about simping their favourite transgirl youtube star (and even similar language use), or you’ve actually found some kind of burner. Either way it’s a really suspicious account

I'd just add that there's a specific type of Brit that uses y'all - it's someone who's read a lot of American written articles/Tumblr social justice posts and has affected it. Many British dialects feature a plural second person pronoun, which is generally "yiz" or "yous". None naturally feature "y'all".

"Babes" is also Essex slang. It got popularised by a reality TV show called "The Only Way Is Essex", and other people started using it ironically as an affectation. To make a huge generalisation, people who genuinely say "babes" do not generally discuss philosophy. It's like Contra saying "gorg" - started as an ironic affectation but then just became a thing she said.

I'm pretty much sold on this being an Ollie sock.

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either PT completely lost it and started fighting all the nutjobs on 4chan or some hon poses as PT using all her signal words such as ‚libelous‘, ‚fair cop‘ etc. the third possibility would be that the ominous infertile one-x-chromosome-lady from the states returned to rescue PT from all the unfounded slander. lol idk what’s going on but it sure is entertaining . i think the dumb rape rumors need to stop though. at least as long as there is zero evidence that it ever happened. where are the receipts?

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Whereas this seems like a deliberate parody of Ollie. When I saw the first post I was going to make a point of how Brits don't typically use "fair cop" in that manner (it's more of an interjection/response - "I caught you stealing Contrapoint's knickers!" "Fair cop.") but is typical of how a posh Brit would attempt to use it to seem "authentic" and then get it wrong.

The second post seems too on the nose. It's hitting all the keywords and talking points. It's possible this is Ollie but I'm dubious.

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Remember that play about trans issues in the UK that he was thinking about making? Apparently the gears are already in motion to make it happen. I genuinely want to see it happen though, it sounds like it would be hilarious.

100% he's downloading a free PDF of an Ibsen play and then editing it so that e.g. "Arnold" is "Arnette" and trans, and then making it so "Contrina" isn't an artist's model but a Youtuber. Also instead of a Norwegian spa it's set in the Skegness Butlin's (cause he's propah Northern)

 

[SevenEightNine]

I know this has already been touched on before, but there's no way that the snl825 account isn't PT. The posts that it has been liking— random tweets from accounts with less than 10 followers that happen to just casually mention PT's account— basically things that would only show up if you had a google alert or were constantly namesearching the username Philosophytube.
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This account literally has six followers. (https://archive.md/Yqi73)
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(https://archive.md/Q7F3c)

The similarities seem almost too close to be coincidental. There are crazed, obsessed fans of things in every corner of the internet, but this seems uncanny. The account hasn't tweeted since July 16th, but it has been liking things as recently as July 20th.

It fits his posh narcissism that he'd be found out completely, but able to "fool" people with just a few more lies.

He's much better than normal people, after all.

 

[Shig O'nella]

I can't tell if PT actually believes the "trans stuff" there was "just sortof implied," or if he thinks his fans are so thick-skulled that he can lie in broad daylight and get away with it.

It's the second one.

He's not wrong.

 

[AmphimorphodusCynomorphus]

Whereas this seems like a deliberate parody of Ollie. When I saw the first post I was going to make a point of how Brits don't typically use "fair cop" in that manner (it's more of an interjection/response - "I caught you stealing Contrapoint's knickers!" "Fair cop.") but is typical of how a posh Brit would attempt to use it to seem "authentic" and then get it wrong.

The second post seems too on the nose. It's hitting all the keywords and talking points. It's possible this is Ollie but I'm dubious.

Agree 100%. Seems like a troll from somebody who reads this thread. No, Im not Ollies sock

 

[Tombigbee]

Da Space Zone - trashfuturepodcast on Twitch

trashfuturepodcast went live on Twitch. Catch up on their Stellaris VOD now.

m.twitch.tv

Olly was doing a livestream with some of those James Bond podcast people. When I clicked on the link literally the first thing said was something about

Spoiler

dialating your ass.

I’m not gonna listen but I took a couple screen shots. Olly got up to remove his jacket. He had his fan going also.

 

[esmeggs]

Da Space Zone - trashfuturepodcast on Twitch

trashfuturepodcast went live on Twitch. Catch up on their Stellaris VOD now.

m.twitch.tv

Olly was doing a livestream with some of those James Bond podcast people. When I clicked on the link literally the first thing said was something about

Spoiler

dialating your ass.

I’m not gonna listen but I took a couple screen shots. Olly got up to remove his jacket. He had his fan going also.


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Did he finally buy himself a deep conditioner?? About time. His hair in the "Social Constructs" stream was a disaster. It's so obvious he has absolutely zero female friends because if he did then they would tell him this stuff. Here's another tip Olly: if you have wavy hair sometimes it's better not to brush it, if you do then it gets frizzy. Try just brushing it before you shower.

He's made absolutely zero improvements in dressing himself however. Again Olly, if you ever want fashion advice my dms are open. I'll be nice and you can run your outfits by me.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Calling it now the hero of his play is just gonna be some shitty mary sue self insert

damn just realised that PTs turned his actual whole self into a shitty mary sue self insert.
like cutting edge reverse engineered mary sueism, where instead of half-knowingly putting your idealised self into a shitty fiction for that purpose, he’s turned his own reality into a shitty shallow fiction and even made his character a dumb one stereotypical dimensional laydee.
God, Abigale, get down the deed poll and give contra her character back, your true trooname was there all along

coincidence that the troon boom followed the livejournal/ websites accommodating shitty fan-fiction bust?
hahaha

 

[Sealbaby]

Dear Abigail,

Most people, even women, having some shame and self-respect also have an instinctive dislike for the histrionic behaviour of women put up by the popular media as 'feminist' examples - Miley Cyrus, Amy Schumer, Garfunkel and Oates, etc. To quash potential collective revolt against the Hollywood menace, ears have to be filled with rhetorical cotton wool. This is where I think your videos come in. They induce women to waste time giving the media the benefit of the doubt as to why it would promote women floundering in self-disrespect - 'maybe I'm the one who's wrong', etc. When the only language they know is 'feminism', they waste their time trying to explain why Cyrus et al. are 'not real feminists'.

They waste their time, because expecting most people to ever really 'get' feminism is like expecting the Catholic Church to eventually go Gnostic. Because the further away a person is from the socioeconomic, sex, and ethnic nexus at which the word 'feminism' was invented - the 19th century European bourgeoisie - their use of it will regress towards a kind of cross-cultural mean where they're looking for a word for 'being nice to women' but 'chivalry' is dead.

Etymology is an oracle. In many cultures, the concept of the ideal person is conveyed by a term which literally means something like 'man'. 'Mensch' in Yiddish means 'man'; the word 'virtue' derives from Latin for 'like a man'; the Confucian term for a person embodying virtue and wisdom, 'junzi', means 'gentleman'; the morning prayer for Orthodox Jews involves praising God 'who has not made me a woman'; Aristotle described females as 'incomplete' and 'deformed', lacking shame and self-respect; Plato used the term 'female-like' to imply inferiority; Schopenhauer called women 'big children all their lives'; in Buddhist sutras being female is the result of bad karma and whether females can attain Buddhahood is contested; and the esteemed anthropologist Margaret Mead said "in almost every known society .. the prestige values always attach to the occupations of men." Even Florence Nightingale hated other women.

Reading this, people who don't know me very well might assume I'm some kind of closet trans case, even though I've always liked my female body and would never change it. In the 19th century, too, people accused the Suffragettes of being closet 'inverts', of 'wanting to be men'. , Seems to me that people often jump to call a head doctor when their wife or daughter stops pissing around in tantric poststructuralist astrology and is inevitably fucked up by what she finds in the big boys' library. Andrea Dworkin and Camille Paglia disagreed on a lot, but what I basically got from them is that human nature is full, as a wood of bear traps, of perverse incentives which militate against the female human spirit: which combine to pathologise, medicalise, subvert, and disorient in female persons what is encouraged, rewarded, and esteemed in males.

Especially insidious within this, humanity's whack-a-mole against the female spirit, is the role played by other female people: the Suffragettes were tortured in British prisons by female nurses; mothers in Medieval China were the ones who mutilated their own daughters' feet; mothers in Africa are the ones mutilating their daughters' genitals; mothers in Morocco forcefeed their daughters unto morbid obesity ('leblouh'); mothers in Thai forest tribes stretched their daughters' necks with brass rings, and mothers among the Papua New Guinean Dani cut off their daughters' finger joints.

But this is not your role in the neverending horrorstory. Any woman who was smart enough when she was a medieval peasant to deny that the local pederast priest could make God blood from wine is smart enough today to see that your get-up and your doctor's note do not a woman make. The part you play in the conspiracy against the female human race is the part of a particular kind of man.

You will never be a woman. I also think the only way of ending the heartache of that is to cultivate masculine virtues like every really sensible woman is doing.

 

[Rose_of_Troon]

Dear Abigail,

Most people, even women, having some shame and self-respect also have an instinctive dislike for the histrionic behaviour of women put up by the popular media as 'feminist' examples - Miley Cyrus, Amy Schumer, Garfunkel and Oates, etc. To quash potential collective revolt against the Hollywood menace, ears have to be filled with rhetorical cotton wool. This is where I think your videos come in. They induce women to waste time giving the media the benefit of the doubt as to why it would promote women floundering in self-disrespect - 'maybe I'm the one who's wrong', etc. When the only language they know is 'feminism', they waste their time trying to explain why Cyrus et al. are 'not real feminists'.

They waste their time, because expecting most people to ever really 'get' feminism is like expecting the Catholic Church to eventually go Gnostic. Because the further away a person is from the socioeconomic, sex, and ethnic nexus at which the word 'feminism' was invented - the 19th century European bourgeoisie - their use of it will regress towards a kind of cross-cultural mean where they're looking for a word for 'being nice to women' but 'chivalry' is dead.

Etymology is an oracle. In many cultures, the concept of the ideal person is conveyed by a term which literally means something like 'man'. 'Mensch' in Yiddish means 'man'; the word 'virtue' derives from Latin for 'like a man'; the Confucian term for a person embodying virtue and wisdom, 'junzi', means 'gentleman'; the morning prayer for Orthodox Jews involves praising God 'who has not made me a woman'; Aristotle described females as 'incomplete' and 'deformed', lacking shame and self-respect; Plato used the term 'female-like' to imply inferiority; Schopenhauer called women 'big children all their lives'; in Buddhist sutras being female is the result of bad karma and whether females can attain Buddhahood is contested; and the esteemed anthropologist Margaret Mead said "in almost every known society .. the prestige values always attach to the occupations of men." Even Florence Nightingale hated other women.

Reading this, people who don't know me very well might assume I'm some kind of closet trans case, even though I've always liked my female body and would never change it. In the 19th century, too, people accused the Suffragettes of being closet 'inverts', of 'wanting to be men'. , Seems to me that people often jump to call a head doctor when their wife or daughter stops pissing around in tantric poststructuralist astrology and is inevitably fucked up by what she finds in the big boys' library. Andrea Dworkin and Camille Paglia disagreed on a lot, but what I basically got from them is that human nature is full, as a wood of bear traps, of perverse incentives which militate against the female human spirit: which combine to pathologise, medicalise, subvert, and disorient in female persons what is encouraged, rewarded, and esteemed in males.

Especially insidious within this, humanity's whack-a-mole against the female spirit, is the role played by other female people: the Suffragettes were tortured in British prisons by female nurses; mothers in Medieval China were the ones who mutilated their own daughters' feet; mothers in Africa are the ones mutilating their daughters' genitals; mothers in Morocco forcefeed their daughters unto morbid obesity ('leblouh'); mothers in Thai forest tribes stretched their daughters' necks with brass rings, and mothers among the Papua New Guinean Dani cut off their daughters' finger joints.

But this is not your role in the neverending horrorstory. Any woman who was smart enough when she was a medieval peasant to deny that the local pederast priest could make God blood from wine is smart enough today to see that your get-up and your doctor's note do not a woman make. The part you play in the conspiracy against the female human race is the part of a particular kind of man.

You will never be a woman. I also think the only way of ending the heartache of that is to cultivate masculine virtues like every really sensible woman is doing.

never read autistic diarrhea of the mouth quite as bad as this. Seek help!

 

[BroccoliBrain]

Reading this, people who don't know me very well might assume I'm some kind of closet trans case, even though I've always liked my female body and would never change it.

did you really have to add this
I'm waiting for the moment you say you felt it like electricity in your blood

 

[Scarmaiden]

Da Space Zone - trashfuturepodcast on Twitch

trashfuturepodcast went live on Twitch. Catch up on their Stellaris VOD now.

m.twitch.tv

Olly was doing a livestream with some of those James Bond podcast people. When I clicked on the link literally the first thing said was something about

Spoiler

dialating your ass.

I’m not gonna listen but I took a couple screen shots. Olly got up to remove his jacket. He had his fan going also.


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Extremely brave of him to wear shorts like those with legs like that. Or just plain retarded
As is often the case with troons any illusion of semi passing goes away the moment the camera is not sat at that one specific point, at that one specific angle with that one specific lighting on
He might want to consider wearing corsets too, because goddamn bricks got more curves than he does

Also what's with the fan? Initially I thought he wanted to hide his chad jawline, but that's clearly not it. Is this another Hontra skinwalk (the fan is the only memorable thing from his "are traps gay" vid)?

 

[UngluedSeahorse]

Dear Abigail,

Most people, even women, having some shame and self-respect also have an instinctive dislike for the histrionic behaviour of women put up by the popular media as 'feminist' examples - Miley Cyrus, Amy Schumer, Garfunkel and Oates, etc. To quash potential collective revolt against the Hollywood menace, ears have to be filled with rhetorical cotton wool. This is where I think your videos come in. They induce women to waste time giving the media the benefit of the doubt as to why it would promote women floundering in self-disrespect - 'maybe I'm the one who's wrong', etc. When the only language they know is 'feminism', they waste their time trying to explain why Cyrus et al. are 'not real feminists'.

They waste their time, because expecting most people to ever really 'get' feminism is like expecting the Catholic Church to eventually go Gnostic. Because the further away a person is from the socioeconomic, sex, and ethnic nexus at which the word 'feminism' was invented - the 19th century European bourgeoisie - their use of it will regress towards a kind of cross-cultural mean where they're looking for a word for 'being nice to women' but 'chivalry' is dead.

Etymology is an oracle. In many cultures, the concept of the ideal person is conveyed by a term which literally means something like 'man'. 'Mensch' in Yiddish means 'man'; the word 'virtue' derives from Latin for 'like a man'; the Confucian term for a person embodying virtue and wisdom, 'junzi', means 'gentleman'; the morning prayer for Orthodox Jews involves praising God 'who has not made me a woman'; Aristotle described females as 'incomplete' and 'deformed', lacking shame and self-respect; Plato used the term 'female-like' to imply inferiority; Schopenhauer called women 'big children all their lives'; in Buddhist sutras being female is the result of bad karma and whether females can attain Buddhahood is contested; and the esteemed anthropologist Margaret Mead said "in almost every known society .. the prestige values always attach to the occupations of men." Even Florence Nightingale hated other women.

Reading this, people who don't know me very well might assume I'm some kind of closet trans case, even though I've always liked my female body and would never change it. In the 19th century, too, people accused the Suffragettes of being closet 'inverts', of 'wanting to be men'. , Seems to me that people often jump to call a head doctor when their wife or daughter stops pissing around in tantric poststructuralist astrology and is inevitably fucked up by what she finds in the big boys' library. Andrea Dworkin and Camille Paglia disagreed on a lot, but what I basically got from them is that human nature is full, as a wood of bear traps, of perverse incentives which militate against the female human spirit: which combine to pathologise, medicalise, subvert, and disorient in female persons what is encouraged, rewarded, and esteemed in males.

Especially insidious within this, humanity's whack-a-mole against the female spirit, is the role played by other female people: the Suffragettes were tortured in British prisons by female nurses; mothers in Medieval China were the ones who mutilated their own daughters' feet; mothers in Africa are the ones mutilating their daughters' genitals; mothers in Morocco forcefeed their daughters unto morbid obesity ('leblouh'); mothers in Thai forest tribes stretched their daughters' necks with brass rings, and mothers among the Papua New Guinean Dani cut off their daughters' finger joints.

But this is not your role in the neverending horrorstory. Any woman who was smart enough when she was a medieval peasant to deny that the local pederast priest could make God blood from wine is smart enough today to see that your get-up and your doctor's note do not a woman make. The part you play in the conspiracy against the female human race is the part of a particular kind of man.

You will never be a woman. I also think the only way of ending the heartache of that is to cultivate masculine virtues like every really sensible woman is doing.

 

[NormieCasual]

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Remember that play about trans issues in the UK that he was thinking about making? Apparently the gears are already in motion to make it happen. I genuinely want to see it happen though, it sounds like it would be hilarious.

Not a screenwriter, but doesn't this seem to be going fast. It's the latest draft (not first nor second). I get that there are drafting techniques that aren't writing everything at onces but those still takes a long ass time to make (ensure main and subplots, all the stories for the individual characters and so on). I feel like this play must be very simplistic (which isn't always bad) and/or very derivative of other works (doesn't need to be bad). Still, I get a feeling that this ordeal is seriously rushed.

 

[narcissistic injury]

Extremely brave of him to wear shorts like those with legs like that. Or just plain retarded
As is often the case with troons any illusion of semi passing goes away the moment the camera is not sat at that one specific point, at that one specific angle with that one specific lighting on
He might want to consider wearing corsets too, because goddamn bricks got more curves than he does
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Also what's with the fan? Initially I thought he wanted to hide his chad jawline, but that's clearly not it. Is this another Hontra skinwalk (the fan is the only memorable thing from his "are traps gay" vid)?

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Sorry I am still forum illiterate. Olly desperately wants to be theryn and Natalie… photo above

 

[Adolphin]

Sorry I am still forum illiterate. Olly desperately wants to be theryn and Natalie… photo above

Think before you speak.

 

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Why do libfem handmaidens treat troons like the autistic kid in preschool that just scribbled all over a sheet of paper??? 'Wow Olly great job!!!! This looks so good!!!!" Olly doesn't even have a 'fashion sense', he just wears whatever makes his dick the hardest. If a woman ever went out looking like Olly does they would be ridiculed.


Just three generations of women doing domestic labor.

 

[Icterus]

Why do libfem handmaidens treat troons like the autistic kid in preschool that just scribbled all over a sheet of paper??? 'Wow Olly great job!!!! This looks so good!!!!" Olly doesn't even have a 'fashion sense', he just wears whatever makes his dick the hardest. If a woman ever went out looking like Olly does they would be ridiculed.

Because they are the gender equivalent of autistic scribblings. The autistic kid has an understanding of what pen and paper are and that they can be used to draw, but it's purely aesthetic. They don't know what it means to draw, hence the scribbling.