Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I don't understand how this relates to my post? You're just regurgitating some preprogrammed talking point, it's like you didn't even read what I said.

You asked why people getting vaccinated is in the common good.

Sure, but COVID is not (well - as far as we know!) manufactured by a pharmaceutical company and then deliberately administered to you by the government. By the way, under a certain age the vaccines have a higher likelihood of killing you than contracted COVID - without even factoring in the uncertainty of contracting COVID and the within-scenario certainty that you will consensually receive the vaccine.
And that's with the currently known situation. The long term effects of the vaccines are completely unknown.

Not true at all. The covid vaccine is far less dangerous than the disease itself, even in the very young. Stop getting medical information from schizophrenic spazes

So would you say that a pharmaceutical company refusing any legal liability for injuries and deaths related to its vaccine isn't expressing uncertainty in the safety of the vaccine?

Why would it be? With billions of people getting vaccinated, there will probably be a few side effects. It's in the interest of the public for everyone to get vaccinated, so giving manufacturers an incentive to manufacture them is okay.

In general it seems that this discussion boils down to one delineating factor: do you have unflinching, irrational trust in the government and pharmaceutical companies? Even when they themselves admit uncertainty in the safety of the vaccine by their refusal to cover injuries or deaths? I don't. In fact, I don't trust these institutions even a little bit. Maybe I'm too familiar with history.

I trust the 99% of scientists and doctors who say it's perfectly safe. Apparently you think that 1% of scientists/docs will be harder to corrupt than the 99%, which makes you kind of naive

 

[MrTroll]

I am not getting vaccinated until Joe Rogan sends me a hand-written letter personally instructing me to do so, along with a Joe Rogan Experience™ swag bag featuring a Joe Rogan Experience™ "Conquer Your Inner Bitch" charcoal-black crew neck t-shirt, a set of Joe Rogan Experience™-branded No. 2 pencils, a Joe Rogan Experience™ bobblehead, and a coupon for $10 off my next order of Joe Rogan Experience™ ultimate brain booster pills.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't understand how this relates to my post? You're just regurgitating some preprogrammed talking point, it's like you didn't even read what I said.

You have a shit bull for an avatar. Your argument is invalid.

 

[Czechem Republic]

Why would it be? With billions of people getting vaccinated, there will probably be a few side effects. It's in the interest of the public for everyone to get vaccinated, so giving manufacturers an incentive to manufacture them is okay.

I never understood the people who don't fucking understand that vaccinations are a bit different. There are billions of people on this rock. Many of them (in absolute terms, not proportionally) will have a bad reaction to even 'normal' vaccines like the flu shot, MMR, etc.

If we allowed those people to sue the manufacturers, there would be no vaccines. Ever. It's that simple.

 

[whore loving dragon]

You asked why people getting vaccinated is in the common good.

No, that's not what my post said

Not true at all. The covid vaccine is far less dangerous than the disease itself, even in the very young. Stop getting medical information from schizophrenic spazes

Just untrue. The rate of mortality for COVID, even taken in the most overly broad sense (eg. including all deaths that incidentally occurred while the patient had COVID) is lower among young people.

Why would it be? With billions of people getting vaccinated, there will probably be a few side effects. It's in the interest of the public for everyone to get vaccinated, so giving manufacturers an incentive to manufacture them is okay.

Pharma companies are making billions and billions of dollars selling COVID vaccines. They're not doing it "for the public interest", and if the rate of injuries and deaths is truly going to be as low as you believe it will be, it would cost them proportionally nothing to cover them.

I trust the 99% of scientists and doctors who say it's perfectly safe. Apparently you think that 1% of scientists/docs will be harder to corrupt than the 99%, which makes you kind of naive

1) The scientists working at these companies clearly do not believe the vaccine is perfectly safe, hence why the companies deny compensation for any hypothetical injuries or deaths arising from the vaccine..
2) A "consensus" of scientists that a seemingly dangerous product is actually safe means nothing. At various points in history you would have been injecting yourself with mercury, smoking cigarettes, snorting cocaine, mainlining heroin, undergoing lobotomy, and swallowing tapeworm eggs at the explicit instruction of doctors and scientists. The common denominator between all of these things? Companies were making a lot of money off of them. These were all much smaller industries than COVID vaccination - both in terms of the direct pharmaceutical profits and the indirect economic effects of having the general population vaccinated and ready to work again.

I never understood the people who don't fucking understand that vaccinations are a bit different. There are billions of people on this rock. Many of them (in absolute terms, not proportionally) will have a bad reaction to even 'normal' vaccines like the flu shot, MMR, etc.

If we allowed those people to sue the manufacturers, there would be no vaccines. Ever. It's that simple.

If a pharmaceutical company performs a risk-benefit analysis of deploying COVID vaccines and decides, "We cannot justify making tens of billions of dollars selling this because it might maim and kill so many people that we're sued into insolvency" (like you say is the case) then that vaccine has no right to be deployed. Legal immunity for the company is insane - it's an implicit recognition that the risk:reward ratio for the vaccine isn't worth it and a greedy measure to throw the results of this judgement aside, all in one.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

1) The scientists working at these companies clearly do not believe the vaccine is perfectly safe, hence why the companies deny compensation for any hypothetical injuries or deaths arising from the vaccine..
2) A "consensus" of scientists that a seemingly dangerous product is actually safe means nothing. At various points in history you would have been injecting yourself with mercury, smoking cigarettes, snorting cocaine, mainlining heroin, undergoing lobotomy, and swallowing tapeworm eggs at the explicit instruction of doctors and scientists. The common denominator between all of these things? Companies were making a lot of money off of them. These were all much smaller industries than COVID vaccination - both in terms of the direct pharmaceutical profits and the indirect economic effects of having the general population vaccinated and ready to work again.

Its also worth noting the "99% of scientists" statistic was pulled out his ass.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

No, that's not what my post said

It sure is. I just re-read it. Re-state your question then. The site's been having issues, so maybe that's part of it.

Just untrue. The rate of mortality for COVID, even taken in the most overly broad sense (eg. including all deaths that incidentally occurred while the patient had COVID) is lower among young people.

It's still higher than the vaccine death rate. Stop getting numbers from schizophrenic retards on the internet.

Pharma companies are making billions and billions of dollars selling COVID vaccines. They're not doing it "for the public interest", and if the rate of injuries and deaths is truly going to be as low as you believe it will be, it would cost them proportionally nothing to cover them.

Just because they're making money from it doesn't mean everyone benefits from it. Your ISP is making money from you using the internet, it doesn't mean you should stop using the internet. Apple makes money from iPhones, it doesn't mean you should not use a phone. etc..

1) The scientists working at these companies clearly do not believe the vaccine is perfectly safe, hence why the companies deny compensation for any hypothetical injuries or deaths arising from the vaccine..
2) A "consensus" of scientists that a seemingly dangerous product is actually safe means nothing. At various points in history you would have been injecting yourself with mercury, smoking cigarettes, snorting cocaine, mainlining heroin, undergoing lobotomy, and swallowing tapeworm eggs at the explicit instruction of doctors and scientists. The common denominator between all of these things? Companies were making a lot of money off of them. These were all much smaller industries than COVID vaccination - both in terms of the direct pharmaceutical profits and the indirect economic effects of having the general population vaccinated and ready to work again.

It's not just those scientists, though. You think that 99% of scientists are in on this vast conspiracy and the only ones telling the truth are those few ones? Get help for your schizophrenia.

If a pharmaceutical company performs a risk-benefit analysis of deploying COVID vaccines and decides, "We cannot justify making tens of billions of dollars selling this because it might maim and kill so many people that we're sued into insolvency" (like you say is the case) then that vaccine has no right to be deployed. Legal immunity for the company is insane - it's an implicit recognition that the risk:reward ratio for the vaccine isn't worth it (or why would you need/want immunity?) and a greedy measure to throw the results of this judgement aside, all in one.

No they wouldn't, they'd just keep making money on boner pills. And even if they jacked up the prices for vaccines because of being able to be sued, then you would still be in here tardraging about the higher prices.

Its also worth noting the "99% of scientists" statistic was pulled out his ass.

It's more accurate than your claim of being a biologist, though. An anti-vax biologist who doesn't understand how herd immunity, mutations, or math involving percentages works If it's not 99%, it's pretty damn close, but you schizos think that 99% of doc/scientists are lying and only the 1% was uncorrupted. Seems real likely.
Either you're lying or chris-chan level dangerously unqualified for your job.

 

[Revo]

I don't understand how this relates to my post? You're just regurgitating some preprogrammed talking point, it's like you didn't even read what I said.

That's because most of people don't have time to read your boring wall posts.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

That's because most of people don't have time to read your boring wall posts.

Schizos gonna schizo

 

[whore loving dragon]

I find it intriguing that it's overwhelmingly left-leaning people who support mass deployment (and sometimes even mandatory deployment) of a vaccine that's not even considered safe by its manufacturers. The "common good" being argued for is basically just that everyone gets to work and starts making massa money again as quickly as possible. Then again, performing moral atrocities "in the interest of the common good" (read: actually in the interest of the ultra-rich) is a historically characteristic trait of leftist movements

It's also intriguing that they've suddenly become fascinated with the "common good" when previously subjects like eugenics were demonized by leftist scholars for "prioritizing the common good over the rights of the individual, and the downtrodden minorities" (etc.)

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

It's also intriguing that they've suddenly become fascinated with the "common good" when previously subjects like eugenics were demonized by leftist scholars for "prioritizing the common good over the rights of the individual, and the downtrodden minorities" (etc.)

Eugenics should be demonized, though.

 

[AnOminous]

No, that's not what my post said


Just untrue. The rate of mortality for COVID, even taken in the most overly broad sense (eg. including all deaths that incidentally occurred while the patient had COVID) is lower among young people.


Pharma companies are making billions and billions of dollars selling COVID vaccines. They're not doing it "for the public interest", and if the rate of injuries and deaths is truly going to be as low as you believe it will be, it would cost them proportionally nothing to cover them.


1) The scientists working at these companies clearly do not believe the vaccine is perfectly safe, hence why the companies deny compensation for any hypothetical injuries or deaths arising from the vaccine..
2) A "consensus" of scientists that a seemingly dangerous product is actually safe means nothing. At various points in history you would have been injecting yourself with mercury, smoking cigarettes, snorting cocaine, mainlining heroin, undergoing lobotomy, and swallowing tapeworm eggs at the explicit instruction of doctors and scientists. The common denominator between all of these things? Companies were making a lot of money off of them. These were all much smaller industries than COVID vaccination - both in terms of the direct pharmaceutical profits and the indirect economic effects of having the general population vaccinated and ready to work again.



If a pharmaceutical company performs a risk-benefit analysis of deploying COVID vaccines and decides, "We cannot justify making tens of billions of dollars selling this because it might maim and kill so many people that we're sued into insolvency" (like you say is the case) then that vaccine has no right to be deployed. Legal immunity for the company is insane - it's an implicit recognition that the risk:reward ratio for the vaccine isn't worth it and a greedy measure to throw the results of this judgement aside, all in one.

You're fat.

I'm sorry, but that renders anything you say completely invalid. And that's not even getting into the shit bull avatar again.

A muscular, financially sound faggot yes.

Or a faggot who got a less than honorable discharge for being so pathetic and cowardly that a mere needle terrified him so much that he had to bow out of the armed forces. In that case, the country dodged a bullet.

 

[whore loving dragon]

so pathetic and cowardly that a mere needle terrified him so much that he had to bow out of the armed forces

COVID is just a little clump of proteins. Something even more miniscule and unthreatening than a needle. It's hard to imagine being so terrified of it that you take untested medicines!

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

COVID is just a little clump of proteins. Something even more miniscule and unthreatening than a needle. It's hard to imagine being so terrified of it that you take untested medicines!

Other species of viruses, those little clumps of proteins, can really fuck you up.

 

[Vince McMahon]

COVID is just a little clump of proteins. Something even more miniscule and unthreatening than a needle. It's hard to imagine being so terrified of it that you take untested medicines!

As much as "circlejerk breakers" and fat former jannies are seething, the "clump of proteins" argument is really dumb too.

 

[AnOminous]

COVID is just a little clump of proteins. Something even more miniscule and unthreatening than a needle. It's hard to imagine being so terrified of it that you take untested medicines!

Sorry, you still have that shit bull avatar, therefore, any opinion you have gets ignored.

 

[whore loving dragon]

Other species of viruses, those little clumps of proteins, can really fuck you up.

Of course, I was just making fun of reducing concepts to some deceptively unthreatening physical description of what they are - "The vaccine is just a needle" re: AnOminous

 

[AnOminous]

Of course, I was just making fun of reducing concepts to some deceptively unthreatening physical description of what they are - "The vaccine is just a needle" re: AnOminous

Fuck off, shit bull. You have the nigger of all dog breeds as an avatar, therefore, you literally are a nigger yourself.

 

[whore loving dragon]

Fuck off, shit bull. You have the nigger of all dog breeds as an avatar, therefore, you literally are a nigger yourself.

They're nanny dogs and he's just smiling

 

[Czechem Republic]

a vaccine that's not even considered safe by its manufacturers

Which is your retarded read on the situation, not an objective stance that the manufacturers can be proven to have.