Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[V4L_Penis]

The woman in the original tweet talks about losing rental income (on a property she and her husband inherited, due to the father-in-law passing from cancer). The tenants are collecting unemployment but aren’t required to pay rent because of Covid. She loses the income and eventually loses the property. Still had to pay her property taxes the whole time.

And here’s Olly reveling in her misfortune and doing his socialism LARP. Per Olly this woman, with a fairly modest rental property, is “addicted to the commodification of housing.” Like she’s some enormous property management company or something.

Anyway. What an asshole.

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It actually makes perfect sense that an upper class cunt like Olly loves to see "new money" people fail and go right back to the social class where they belong.

 

[AntiStan23]

Tee hee hee, although i have been a tranner for a hot 5 minutes, i feel totally entitled to take the mike on any issue concerning whamman and OUR struggle to cope with the oh so cruel expectations of our TERRIBLE society, which doesn't call us beautiful if we are fat. Boohoo. Now that I wear dresses and grew my hair out i deserve to be called beautiful by everyone and whoever doesn't agree with me is a NAZI!

Also, abi, is any man really encouraged to be fat? Uhm.. no.

 

[ProStalker11]

Don't know what makes Oliver think he could have any good takes on economy with philosophy and acting degrees. All his past videos about economy issues have been debunked

Apologies for the @Nykysnottrans-esque post that is about to follow but I've been thinking over the extranny456 post. I think there is some evidence that supports his theory that what caused Nyk and Olly to fall out was Nyk 'not getting' Olly's decision to troon out. I also think it's possible that Nyk and Olly were still friends up until Olly's coming out video. The only reason people think they fell out earlier is because they weren't following one another on Twitter by August 2020, which I'll address below. If this theory is true, then I don't think things went down quite the way that extranny456 claimed they did. Imo, the extranny456 theory makes more sense if we assume that Olly reached out to Nyk after he trooned out in an attempt to rekindle their romantic relationship, and Nyk turned him down because he viewed Olly as a man and not a woman.

Spoiler: Addressing The Extranny456 Theory

If they were still friends up until Olly transitioned, then why did they unfollow each other on Twitter in the middle of 2020?
1) We know Olly wants to keep his Twitter clean so that he can launch his acting career, he's said himself that his Twitter is the "brand zone". Following and interacting with a drug-addicted troon isn't the best look if he wants to be a BBC actress, especially now that he knows he will be trooning out and will be getting more media attention.
2) We also know Olly is terrified of being cancelled (especially if the snl825 account is truly his alt) so unfollowing anyone that has been previously deemed 'problematic' would be a good move on his part. During Olly's last livestream he said that there are close friends of his that he doesn't even follow on Twitter, because he's afraid of being cancelled by association. Nyk has had the Twitter mob come after him a few times.
3) Nyk was still following @OllyThorn on Twitter in August 2020, he might've been folllowing Olly up until he deleted that account (when he trooned out). So Nyk was actually still following Olly even after he started cross-dressing, shaving his face, growing out his hair, and trying to trim down to get a more 'feminine' figure. This goes against my other theory that Nyk distanced himself from Olly when Olly began trooning out in May/June of 2020.

What supports the extranny theory is mainly this section of the Contrapoints March AMA Stream, which was streamed on April 30th, 2021. Nyk was asked how someone could stop 'misgendering a romantic partner in their head', and in Nyk's answer he implies that he has had this issue with a cis man who he viewed as very gender-conforming. We know that Nyk viewed Olly as "an absolute Chad", so this very likely could be about Olly.

Nyk's answer (short version): "I'll be honest, there's people out there whose gender just doesn't make sense to me, like their explanation of their gender just doesn't make sense to me at a superficial level. I can call anyone whatever pronouns they want, but I've met people who... you know... they give explanations of their gender where it's like... someone who kind of just reads to me as a gender-conforming cis man will be like "well i'm not a man because I don't really identify with toxic masculinity". And I'm like ok I'll call you whatever pronouns you want but I don't actually cognitively understand how that's different from being a male feminist. I don't think I could be in a relationship with someone whose gender identity I didn't get at a more than superficial level. If I felt like I was kind of misgendering someone in my head and I didn't get their gender, I couldn't date someone like that, because I would feel wrong about it. I would feel sort of psychologically disconnected to them, because I'm not seeing them the way they want to be seen and the way they see themselves. If it's that you just don't get this person's gender and you sort of struggle to perceive them the way they perceive themselves that's probably not going to work imo. I know, personally, I wouldn't want to date someone who didn't really see me as a woman, and I wouldn't want to date someone if I didn't really get their gender. *deep sigh, stares off into space for 15 seconds* So.... good luck figuring that out! It's a mess!"

Spoiler: FULL TRANSCRIPT (Question + Full Answer)

Someone asked: "I just met a wonderful romantic prospect who is trans-masc... my mind keeps projecting these old fantasies onto my idea of them despite me knowing they're not a girl. I know how painful it is to be misgendered, even just in people's minds, any advice?"

Nyk's full answer: "I think you need to ask yourself why you find yourself kind of misgendering this person in your head. I personally think that there's lots of different kinds of trans people in the world, there's lots of different ways of being trans, and like I think that I try to respect all of it. Although, I'll be honest with you, there's people out there whose gender just doesn't make sense to me. And what I mean by that is like their explanation of their gender just doesn't make sense to me. Like not at a deep level but at a superficial level. I can call anyone whatever pronouns they want, right? But like yeah I've met people who... you know... they give explanations of their gender where it's like someone who kind of just reads to me as like a gender-conforming cis man will be like "well i'm not a man because I don't really identify with toxic masculinity". And I'm like ok well I'll call you whatever pronouns you want but I don't actually cognitively understand how that's different from being a male feminist. I think in this case you need to ask yourself like... I don't think I could be in a relationship with someone whose gender identity I didn't get at a more than superficial level. If I felt like I was kind of misgendering someone in my head and I didn't get their gender, I couldn't date someone like that. No, because I would feel wrong about it. Like I would feel sort of psychologically disconnected to them, right? Because I'm not seeing them the way they want to be seen and the way they see themselves. So you know, that's not a healthy basis for a relationship. So, I mean it depends why you're having these feelings, if it's that 'oh you just want a girlfriend so bad' and you're like just projecting this stuff onto this other person like ok you can probably work through that. But if it's that you just don't get this person's gender and you sort of struggle to perceive them the way they perceive themselves, like, that's probably not going to work in my opinion. I know personally I wouldn't want to date someone who like didn't really see me as a woman, and I wouldn't want to date someone if I didn't really get their gender. *deep sigh, stares off into space for 10 seconds* So.... good luck figuring that out! It's a mess!"

I think we can safely assume that Nyk doesn't get Olly's 'gender identity', since Nyk viewed Olly as a 'Chad' before he transitioned. He described 'Chad' as the perfect male, and probably had issues reconciling that idealized version of Olly with one that now let his AGP take over his life.

At this point it's only speculation but, if this theory is true, then what I think happened was pretty much:
O: Hey Nat! Look I'm a tran! My name is Abigail now! I paid an homage to you in my coming out statement! I want us to be transbian lovers together!!
N (high on opioids): ...Olly I don't know what the fuck happened but you're not trans. I know you! You're a guy through and through! When we met you were an absolute Chad! Please stop this man you're embarrassing yourself, the pandemic just got you all messed up. Also I can't date you because when I look at you I just see a man in a dress, which I am not. I am a real tranny who happens to watch a lot of porn, you are just a man who watches too much porn.
O: *starts sobbing*
N (shooting heroin): ....Oh god maybe Blanchard was right.

This also could possibly explain why Nyk didn't have too off of a reaction when he was asked about "Abigail" in February 2021, but then had an incredibly uncomfortable reaction when he was asked about "Abigail" later. If this went down sometime between these two livestreams, then he might have felt uncomfortable talking about Olly knowing that he told him to his face that he wasn't a real troon. This could also explain why Olly was still quoting a "dear old friend" (Nyk) in his coming out video, because if this theory is true then nothing weird happened between them before then.

Spoiler: Nyks Reactions

The February 2021 livestream reupload was deleted, but here's what @Tombigbee said about it: "Whoa someone asks directly about Abighoul and he answers. The question is did Contra offer any advice. Contra says, “I was not really involved, no. I feel like people really want this to be ‘a thing,’ but it’s not really a thing.” He looks a bit annoyed but laughs through his answer.'"

And then the infamous March 2021 reaction to being asked about Abigail.

I know most will probably disagree with this theory but it makes more sense to me now that I've thought about it more. Maybe Olly's alt accounts have just been getting to me. Either way, Olly extranny456 should come back and address this and also ask me for fashion advice.

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His best selfie so far imo, he seems to be laying off the aggressive facetune.

This makes a lot of sense since in the Capital Punishment stream around 42:45 someone asked Olly where he would like to go on holiday after lockdown and he says something like "I do miss America... there's two readings of that sentence, one which is sadly not true".
So why was he quoting his oh dear old friend on January but suddenly doesn't miss him anymore on March?


It's clear Nyk doesn't like the fact that Olly trooned out and it could be for any of the following reasons
-The only man who validated his "womanhood" was an AGP all along not better than Nyk himself, that must have hurted his big ego
-Hontra doesn't believe Olly is a real tranny
-Envy: Olly is younger, doesnt pass but has a softness hontra never had before his surgery, olly didn't had to delete most of his videos or have shameful phases of "I'm just a crossdresser", "crossdressing turns me on", "I'm genderqueer" all over the internet like Hontra did.
-Nyk maybe wanted his first time with a tranny to be with that Theryn one, and realizing he gave it to the cringy english soyboy instead must be something he wants to forget

 

[Pinga]

The woman in the original tweet talks about losing rental income (on a property she and her husband inherited, due to the father-in-law passing from cancer). The tenants are collecting unemployment but aren’t required to pay rent because of Covid. She loses the income and eventually loses the property. Still had to pay her property taxes the whole time.

And here’s Olly reveling in her misfortune and doing his socialism LARP. Per Olly this woman, with a fairly modest rental property, is “addicted to the commodification of housing.” Like she’s some enormous property management company or something.

Anyway. What an asshole.

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Also such a fucking hypocrite. This dude is earning more than double with annoying youtube skits and spending more money on clothes and make up than it would take to feed a family of four.

Interesting how he keeps saying 'eat the rich'. Olly, YOU ARE the rich.

 

[AssignedEva]

This makes a lot of sense since in the Capital Punishment stream around 42:45 someone asked Olly where he would like to go on holiday after lockdown and he says something like "I do miss America... there's two readings of that sentence, one which is sadly not true".

There's something particularly pathetic about openly pining for someone like that. Does he expect Contra to hear that stream and go "My god, what a mistake I've made, I must fly and see my true love Ollie Abi at once"?

Like AGMP -> AGP pipeline aside, dude just drop it. Heartbreak sucks but you're just embarrassing yourself more than usual. It's been, what, a year and a half since Contra came out as a transbian? Contra's not interested and has clearly moved on, you need to too. You could have salvaged a friendship with Contra if you hadn't been so persistent.

 

[Rose_of_Troon]

Ok judging from the reading list it‘s just gonna be another video that focusses transpeople and gender. didn’t PT say it wouldn’t be only about that on the show?

 

[fax machine]

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Fresh tweets from our favorite cis intersex XY woman. I don't know why he continues to engage. Yes, the /tttt/ theory is nonsensical, but facts and the forward flow of time can only do so much to change the minds of true believers. Anyone who bothers to check his burner is a regular reader of this thread, and we've discussed to death the fact that April came after January in the year of our Lord 2020.

At this point, channers who read here but still believe that PT was the leftist Contra could have #MeToo'd aren't going to change their minds. Shaking your fist at them doesn't help.

I understand he's probably worried that these rumors will affect his career, but they're so boldly unsubstantiated (and 4chan is so distrusted in the mainstream) that it's better to block and move on. It isn't healthy or rational to waste time logging in and out of Twitter to spar with 100-follower accounts.

 

[TheBaseline101]

Tee hee hee, although i have been a tranner for a hot 5 minutes, i feel totally entitled to take the mike on any issue concerning whamman and OUR struggle

Ok judging from the reading list it‘s just gonna be another video that focusses transpeople and gender. didn’t PT say it wouldn’t be only about that on the show?

This is the shit that gets me. Really goes to show how power reveals. Or in this case, illusions of power. He comes out in the most insufferable way crowning himself the 'tranner princess of terf island' as if he was some bigshot celebrity before and his coming out would be this huge media spectacle or something. And all of a sudden he assumes to speak for every tran and even women. Severe delusions of grandeur and honestly just fucking annoying.

I know some transes irl and though I know some people here don't make a distinction, they're just trying to get their transitions behind them and move on. Blend in and be like everyone else. But it's people like Olly who make being a tranny their whole personality, screech about 'muh discrimination' and bully people who make normal folks treat them like fragile basket cases who they have to walk on eggshells around because they might off themselves over the absence of a gender neutral toilet or some shit. And there's also the reason why most normal people ("cis" people) just pay lip service to all their ludicrous whining but in practice generally avoid trannies like the plague. How fucking exhausting it must be to be around them. Rant over, carry on.

 

[Leftist]

Tee hee hee, although i have been a tranner for a hot 5 minutes, i feel totally entitled to take the mike on any issue concerning whamman and OUR struggle to cope with the oh so cruel expectations of our TERRIBLE society, which doesn't call us beautiful if we are fat.

Not saying I agree with it but isn't part of their ideology that you're always a tranner and just closeted until you snip your bits?

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

I know some transes irl and though I know some people here don't make a distinction, they're just trying to get their transitions behind them and move on. Blend in and be like everyone else. But it's people like Olly who make being a tranny their whole personality, screech about 'muh discrimination' and bully people who make normal folks treat them like fragile basket cases who they have to walk on eggshells around because they might off themselves over the absence of a gender neutral toilet or some shit. And there's also the reason why most normal people ("cis" people) just pay lip service to all their ludicrous whining but in practice generally avoid trannies like the plague. How fucking exhausting it must be to be around them. Rant over, carry on.

I feel sympathy for those with genuine gender dysphoria, the "original" cases of "severely fucked up wiring in the brain" because it must be a hell of an existence. All the [CURRENT YEAR] TRAs and visible troons achieve is making everyday life difficult for them and intersex people.

 

[narcissistic injury]

Today in Faggots Doing Memes Wrong: Narcissistic Tranny references scene from show where characters are rich and comically frivolous with money and casts them as socialists saving the marginalized.

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I know some transes irl and though I know some people here don't make a distinction, they're just trying to get their transitions behind them and move on. Blend in and be like everyone else. But it's people like Olly who make being a tranny their whole personality, screech about 'muh discrimination' and bully people who make normal folks treat them like fragile basket cases who they have to walk on eggshells around because they might off themselves over the absence of a gender neutral toilet or some shit. And there's also the reason why most normal people ("cis" people) just pay lip service to all their ludicrous whining but in practice generally avoid trannies like the plague. How fucking exhausting

Exactly - because that’s not being trans. That’s being personality disordered.

 

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Fresh tweets from our favorite cis intersex XY woman. I don't know why he continues to engage. Yes, the /tttt/ theory is nonsensical, but facts and the forward flow of time can only do so much to change the minds of true believers. Anyone who bothers to check his burner is a regular reader of this thread, and we've discussed to death the fact that April came after January in the year of our Lord 2020.

At this point, channers who read here but still believe that PT was the leftist Contra could have #MeToo'd aren't going to change their minds. Shaking your fist at them doesn't help.

I understand he's probably worried that these rumors will affect his career, but they're so boldly unsubstantiated (and 4chan is so distrusted in the mainstream) that it's better to block and move on. It isn't healthy or rational to waste time logging in and out of Twitter to spar with 100-follower accounts.

Funny how snl825 uses the British spelling of "Cancelling" with the double L, even though the Contrapoints video uses the American spelling with a single L (Canceling). The snl825 account always uses the British spelling of "Cancelling".

It also seems a bit odd that this account is starting to use " "theory" " to refer to the rape rumors, when previously they just referred to the rape rumors as "nonsense". Makes it seem as though they lurk here.

The rape "theory" clearly really bothers him, I genuinely think Olly made the Forbidden Stream public (but unlisted) and shared the link on /tttt/ himself in an attempt to stop the rape "theory" from being spread around. I'm pretty certain the birthday stream was previously private and not just unlisted like it is now, since it didn't show up on any sites that had all of his unlisted streams visible. Olly also said that he made the stream private and wouldn't share the link with anyone. Then suddenly one day this stream with only a few thousand views is public and being shared on /tttt/.

 

[ByffyloByll2]

It's clear Nyk doesn't like the fact that Olly trooned out and it could be for any of the following reasons
-The only man who validated his "womanhood" was an AGP all along not better than Nyk himself, that must have hurted his big ego
-Hontra doesn't believe Olly is a real tranny
-Envy: Olly is younger, doesnt pass but has a softness hontra never had before his surgery, olly didn't had to delete most of his videos or have shameful phases of "I'm just a crossdresser", "crossdressing turns me on", "I'm genderqueer" all over the internet like Hontra did.
-Nyk maybe wanted his first time with a tranny to be with that Theryn one, and realizing he gave it to the cringy english soyboy instead must be something he wants to forget

I think Nyk might just be pissed to see the student surpass the master. Say what you will about Olly, but you at least have to respect how much more fully committed to the "poor oppressed troon millionaire social media whore" bit he is in ways Nyk couldn't even dream of. And what could a pathological narcissist hate more than being upstaged by a younger, "hotter" (read: BARF ) model?

 

[AssignedEva]

I think Nyk might just be pissed to see the student surpass the master. Say what you will about Olly, but you at least have to respect how much more fully committed to the "poor oppressed troon millionaire social media whore" bit he is in ways Nyk couldn't even dream of. And what could a pathological narcissist hate more than being upstaged by a younger, "hotter" (read: BARF ) model?

Not to mention Contra is starting to lose the audience - in /r/contrapoints right now

(For reference Contra released a trailer on July 12th saying "new video this week" and still hasn't released it)

 

[breadandcircuses]

Abighoul fights in 4chan threads more the Adam Ragusea...

 

[Pinga]

Exactly - because that’s not being trans. That’s being personality disordered.

What is the difference?

 

[ProStalker11]

There's something particularly pathetic about openly pining for someone like that. Does he expect Contra to hear that stream and go "My god, what a mistake I've made, I must fly and see my true love Ollie Abi at once"?

Like AGMP -> AGP pipeline aside, dude just drop it. Heartbreak sucks but you're just embarrassing yourself more than usual. It's been, what, a year and a half since Contra came out as a transbian? Contra's not interested and has clearly moved on, you need to too. You could have salvaged a friendship with Contra if you hadn't been so persistent.

Took him a long time to get the message, right?
But literally 1 month after saying this Olly was already bragging about this presumably new american lover who even his friends know about. He is not that slow for some thing apparently.

I just hope this new character isn't another pretentious narcissists like Hontra or a big mouth attention whore like Riley (Nyk's new "girlfriend"). Its probably another tranny, these people get themselves into echo chambers where letting their AGP take over their lives is celebrated

 

[AfghanBlue]

i think the reason the burner account keeps raging against the “stalkerish” allegations (ironic given that if that isn’t actually PT it’s the single most obsessed person on the planet) is that it’s likely to bubble up and get noticed by someone in his actual past who he’s done something to who might be emboldened. there was one post from 4chan from someone allegeding he got creepily handsy and then gave them a smug knowingly fals, smirky ‘apology’when they told him to fuck off with it after him repeatedly trying, who had just gone to the pub with him after they both lost out at an audition- that’s someone who met him once.
there will be more, more proper people.
he doesn’t want anything to get public enough to snowball into the attention of the people who have the real receipts and can start adding them together.
if anyone’s smug horrible face / general demeanour/ behaviour scream “skeletons in here, m9” it’s PT

 

[ProStalker11]

i think the reason the burner account keeps raging against the “stalkerish” allegations (ironic given that if that isn’t actually PT it’s the single most obsessed person on the planet) is that it’s likely to bubble up and get noticed by someone in his actual past who he’s done something to who might be emboldened. there was one post from 4chan from someone allegeding he got creepily handsy and then gave them a smug knowingly fals, smirky ‘apology’when they told him to fuck off with it after him repeatedly trying, who had just gone to the pub with him after they both lost out at an audition- that’s someone who met him once.
there will be more, more proper people.
he doesn’t want anything to get public enough to snowball into the attention of the people who have the real receipts and can start adding them together.
if anyone’s smug horrible face / general demeanour/ behaviour scream “skeletons in here, m9” it’s PT

Sorry but I can't take serious anything that comes from 4chan anymore.
That person claimed to be a "cis woman" and there's not reason for a woman, let alone a supposedly actress, to even know what 4chan is.
If this was before Olly trooned out, I would entertain the idea, but it was in fact after the schizos over there started getting excited about the hontra x olly drama so sounds like bullshit.
The account could very well be Olly but why hasn't he blocked them on his main then? That would prevent his followers from seeing it
Guess I wouldn't put it pass his culty simps to go white knighting for him, especially considering him and Nyk share followers and a bunch of them still wants them to fuck and get married

 

[AfghanBlue]

Sorry but I can't take serious anything that comes from 4chan anymore.
That person claimed to be a "cis woman" and there's not reason for a woman, let alone a supposedly actress, to even know what 4chan is.
If this was before Olly trooned out, I would entertain the idea, but it was in fact after the schizos over there started getting excited about the hontra x olly drama so sounds like bullshit.
The account could very well be Olly but why hasn't he blocked them on his main then? That would prevent his followers from seeing it
Guess I wouldn't put it pass his culty simps to go white knighting for him, especially considering him and Nyk share followers and a bunch of them still wants them to fuck and get married

i think you’re confused about accounts etc.
the only specific account mentioned, ie the burner account, ‘his’ burner account, is always arguing in his defence, and even if it’s not rly him, he would have no cause to block it.

As for the rest, no one person / account is accusing him, multidues of people keep popping up on every platform with the contra question, he blocks them but more come.
that particular issue is probably bullshit- and imo not worth the obsessive focus*- but it draws the eye.
-the other random allegation person i’m talking about was literally just a chan commenter making an unrelated claim, who wasn’t interested in pursuing it and was just adding it.
could be fake of course but people come across lots of people in their life, especially jobbing actors.
as for females / people involved in acting not knowing about 4chan, come on now.
i’m female, have acted in at least one proper film, and know a good enough about 4 chan, it’s hardly a secret.

* it’s unprovable and potentially makes him sympathetic- i think there’s a lot more concrete stuff about what a creep he is, basically as defined by his self-annointed UK TRA arc; however it does seem to be spooking him and it may spur something more, so whatev.
( funny thing, was talking to someone who i hadn’t seen for a while today who has been aware of PT for a few years and initially didn’t mind him- a gentle, good natured, fight the good fight soul, and even he is convinced this whole thing is a creepy grift. the kind of guy who doesn’t like to say nasty things about people who are ostensibly for the good. it was a nice illustration on how clear and obviously dodgy his grift is, and what the general opinion is on him now.)