Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Miniluv]

Conan is in the public domain now. Zack's behind the curve here. These Conan comics all seem to be adaptations of Howard stories. "Uncensored"
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Marvel seems to retain the rights for book titles that include the name "Conan" though.

I'm not sure what the deal is with Conan's status in the public domain.

Ablaze is publishing adaptations of the Robert E. Howard stories that are public domain and yes, they obviously can't call the series "Conan" as I think the name is trademarked and licensed. I haven't read the Ablaze books, so I'm not really sure if they can even call him "Conan" in their comics. Maybe it's like it was back when DC was still referring to the lead of the Shazam series as Captain Marvel but couldn't trademark the name since Marvel scooped it up.

So yeah, I'm not really sure what they'd have to change about the character in these adaptations to stay out of trouble or if they're even allowed to refer to characters like Belit or Thoth-Amon by name.

 

[Newman's Own]

"Hey Clint, it'd be a tragedy if all your support in CG suddenly disappeared like Micah's and Liam's. But you do what you think is best for your family..."

It's very apparent that Ethan and Malin are invested in making sure no prominent CG projects cross promote on Kickstarter.

This is the video Clint did that prompted Malin and Frog's thinly veiled advice.

Apparently this is about "loyalty"...

@FROG Why is it cool for you to make hundreds of thousands off your relationship with censor happy wokeasfuck YouTube but Clint would be terribly disloyal if he made a little extra cash with the company that refused Zack's business? (who sucks up to Brian Vaginio, the mainstream and won't even call himself CG anymore) Seems to me that Zack's the one who isn't loyal lately...

Meanwhile Clint isn't allowed the potential growth that guys like Tim Lim have seen from doing KS and IGG campaigns.

The double standard makes no sense to me. Please explain.

And does Clint get the same IGG privileges to run multiple campaigns simultaneously that you do?

It almost seems like Clint is addressing this very issue in this video...

Let's all hope Clint's comics dreams don't have an unfortunate "accident".

I haven't read the Ablaze books, so I'm not really sure if they can even call him "Conan" in their comics.

They can and they do.

So yeah, I'm not really sure what they'd have to change about the character in these adaptations to stay out of trouble or if they're even allowed to refer to characters like Belit or Thoth-Amon by name.

Any character old enough can be used. Queen of the Black Coast was one of their first adaptations.

 

[I'm not a Robot]

@FROG Why is it cool for you to make hundreds of thousands off your relationship with censor happy wokeasfuck YouTube but Clint would be terribly disloyal if he made a little extra cash with the company that refused Zack's business?

There isn't a viable alternative to YouTube, but there is with KickStarter.

Clint has a good point about how you can hurt yourself more than any SJW could by removing yourself from a platform, however, given the politics of crowdfunding, he may find his overall numbers decrease if he tries to double dip. The new audience he hopes to find on Kickstarter may not offset the losses on Indiegogo from those who no longer wish to support him. It's a gamble.

 

[Unverified]

This is the most recent update (https://archive.md/2wasc) Zach did on Indiegogo to Jawbreakers: Grand Bizarre. What the hell am I even reading here? Sounds like somebody who's gone off their meds. WITH random CAPITALIZATION and bolding or EVEN BOLD CAPITALIZATION. I'm so convinced now. I thought Indiegogo updates were just for the status of the project, not for random sperging? Hell, he has a YouTube community page for that, why not post this nonsense there? Is it because nobody's paying attention to Jawbreakers any more?



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Also, I thought this kind of thing was a very dangerous game to play? Or in Zach-speak, A VERY DANGEROUS GAME TO PLAY, in the sense that you might be able to use Batman, but God forbid you have him driving around in anything that looks like a Batmobile, even if you don't call it that, etc., before that enters the public domain as well.

Hoo boy. I'm going to tackle a couple of points of this bizarre (no pun intended) update.

The story for JAWBREAKERS: GØD-K1NG was written years ago when I thought I would only have one swing at bat. That's why most of the team was killed.

I've heard Zack mention this before. He didn't know how long he'd be able to make comics, so he more or less did a speedrun through an entire story arc that should've been drawn out over several issues. He would say he's making each comic as if it was his last, or something along those lines. This works against him pretty severely in the books, though, as there is no emotional impact to the character deaths. We hardly get to spend any time with them and grow connected, then three of the main five characters are suddenly killed. Each additional death also undercuts the weight of the previous one. After Zack saw the success of Lost Souls, he should have reworked the second book. Surely he must have realized that he could at least stretch this out for a couple of years. But now he's talking decades? I don't know if this franchise has that kind of legs anymore. Hard to say.

Bringing them back forces me to expand the JAWBREAKERS Universe by defining what it is. And part of that will be incorporating classic comic book characters as they come into the Public Domain.

This reads an awful lot like he didn't know what the universe "is" until just now. I believe I alluded to this briefly in an earlier post when talking about the fact that he's redoing the dialogue in Grand Bizarre in order to establish basically the entirety of his universe's lore. It's not a carefully planned universe or story. This makes me lose an awful lot of faith in the direction of the series.

So I need a mechanism in-universe to incorporate this... and I just figured it out!

This reinforces, if not confirms my previous point.

TL/DR: Purple Gloves 1939 BATMAN will be a member of the JAWBREAKERS in 2035.

Pretty sure this is meant to be taken as a joke, but I almost wouldn't put it past him.

But more seriously, many familiar faces will work themselves into the JAWBREAKERS Universe organically over the next few years.

And this is why I wouldn't put it past him. This is a catastrophically fucking stupid idea. Not just because this public domain issue is almost certainly more legally complicated than Zack is making it out to be, but because this sort of thing never works and definitely never feels "organic." How the hell am I going to see Conan and Zorro pop into a fucking Jawbreakers book and think "yup, this fits organically." It is, by definition, not organic. You are taking someone else's work and cramming it into your universe, expecting the reader to somehow not be jarred or have their immersion broken by seeing a legacy character suddenly pop up in this comic that has nothing to do with the original material. It's like a child drawing his own comics where Goku teams up with Mario and Pikachu to take down the Joker. I've already read Tails Gets Trolled, which is the only work of art that successfully pulls off that sort of stream-crossing. I feel that Zack's plan will come across as more of an abortion in the style of Ready Player One.

I make this post in hopes that @FROG gives Zack some creative direction with the franchise. Ethan, get our boy back on track. Seriously. This is getting painful to watch. Zack brought me into all of this and I want to continue to support him. But this is brutal, man. Unless you're intent on publishing this sort of stuff, in which case I can pitch you one hell of a Jawbreakers x Garfield one-shot.

 

[A nameless trool]

I'm not sure what the deal is with Conan's status in the public domain.

Ablaze is publishing adaptations of the Robert E. Howard stories that are public domain and yes, they obviously can't call the series "Conan" as I think the name is trademarked and licensed. I haven't read the Ablaze books, so I'm not really sure if they can even call him "Conan" in their comics. Maybe it's like it was back when DC was still referring to the lead of the Shazam series as Captain Marvel but couldn't trademark the name since Marvel scooped it up.

So yeah, I'm not really sure what they'd have to change about the character in these adaptations to stay out of trouble or if they're even allowed to refer to characters like Belit or Thoth-Amon by name.

Is the character Conan The Barbarian in the public domain?

Answer (1 of 2): U.S. perspective: Conan the Barbarian first appeared in Weird Tales in 1932. At the time of that publication the copyright duration for works that complied with all of the requirements, could enjoy 95 years of copyright. So he becomes public domain in 2028. But… Only that char...

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It is public domain in Europe and copyrighted in the US, because fucking Disney.

Hoo boy. I'm going to tackle a couple of points of this bizarre (no pun intended) update.


I've heard Zack mention this before. He didn't know how long he'd be able to make comics, so he more or less did a speedrun through an entire story arc that should've been drawn out over several issues. He would say he's making each comic as if it was his last, or something along those lines. This works against him pretty severely in the books, though, as there is no emotional impact to the character deaths. We hardly get to spend any time with them and grow connected, then three of the main five characters are suddenly killed. Each additional death also undercuts the weight of the previous one. After Zack saw the success of Lost Souls, he should have reworked the second book. Surely he must have realized that he could at least stretch this out for a couple of years. But now he's talking decades? I don't know if this franchise has that kind of legs anymore. Hard to say.


This reads an awful lot like he didn't know what the universe "is" until just now. I believe I alluded to this briefly in an earlier post when talking about the fact that he's redoing the dialogue in Grand Bizarre in order to establish basically the entirety of his universe's lore. It's not a carefully planned universe or story. This makes me lose an awful lot of faith in the direction of the series.


This reinforces, if not confirms my previous point.


Pretty sure this is meant to be taken as a joke, but I almost wouldn't put it past him.


And this is why I wouldn't put it past him. This is a catastrophically fucking stupid idea. Not just because this public domain issue is almost certainly more legally complicated than Zack is making it out to be, but because this sort of thing never works and definitely never feels "organic." How the hell am I going to see Conan and Zorro pop into a fucking Jawbreakers book and think "yup, this fits organically." It is, by definition, not organic. You are taking someone else's work and cramming it into your universe, expecting the reader to somehow not be jarred or have their immersion broken by seeing a legacy character suddenly pop up in this comic that has nothing to do with the original material. It's like a child drawing his own comics where Goku teams up with Mario and Pikachu to take down the Joker. I've already read Tails Gets Trolled, which is the only work of art that successfully pulls off that sort of stream-crossing. I feel that Zack's plan will come across as more of an abortion in the style of Ready Player One.

I make this post in hopes that @FROG gives Zack some creative direction with the franchise. Ethan, get our boy back on track. Seriously. This is getting painful to watch. Zack brought me into all of this and I want to continue to support him. But this is brutal, man. Unless you're intent on publishing this sort of stuff, in which case I can pitch you one hell of a Jawbreakers x Garfield one-shot.

Jawbreakers always felt like issues 20-24 of an ongoing series, with Grand Bizarre being issues 1-3. He could have focused on giving us 2-3 stories in between and re-reading the G0dKing issues make us feel the impact in retrospect.

He could also make a League of Extraordinary Jawbreakers as a parody to Alan Moore, giving us the Team 7 version of public domain pulp heroes. John Carter, Sherlock Holmes, Solomon Kane or King Kull instead of Conan, some Lovecraftian character (maybe Rundolf Carter as a Morpheus like character or Inspector Legrasse from The Call of Cthulhu or Professor Armitage) along with some public domain capes like Daredevil and just be done with it already and move forward.
What he is planning to do has been done and moved no needles.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Clint has a good point about how you can hurt yourself more than any SJW could by removing yourself from a platform, however, given the politics of crowdfunding, he may find his overall numbers decrease if he tries to double dip

I could be wrong here considering I've never done a KickStarter, but why does everyone assume you'll find hundreds of new customers there?

Sure a couple people could find it in the algorithm, but I think that most people backing a crowdfund are people that already know you/the people you promote it to. There might be a few new people, but is it really that many? Or are you just relying on people who already know you to go and back it?

Meanwhile Clint isn't allowed the potential growth that guys like Tim Lim have seen from doing KS and IGG campaigns.

If Tim only did an Indiegogo campaign (and ran it for 120 days, since he does 60 on KS and 60 on IGG) he'd make as much as both platforms combined. KickStarter and Indiegogo aren't finding the backers for him. He has a large audience and hires artists with large audiences to do covers and pieces for the fan art gallery. The people backing that book are people who are fans of him.

I think another good example of this is Earthworm Jim book 2. Book 1 raised $800k on Indiegogo. This is after Doug has already done Bigfoot Bill on Indiegogo. Then he launched Bigfoot Bill 2 on Indiegogo. HOWEVER, with his 4th campaign, Earthworm Jim 2, he launched on KickStarter.


My point with that, is that you condition your backers where to go. Doug told me himself he was "looking for a new audience" and "the audience on Kickstarter is so much bigger than Indiegogo" and therefore he wanted to launch book 2 on Kickstarter instead of Indiegogo. I don't know why these guys always want a "new audience" instead of comicsgate... but anyways, it lost like 70% of book one.

So Doug lost money by changing platforms. Your audience expects it to be on Indiegogo, and when it's not, they're unaware of your book, or they don't want to switch websites. When you have them conditioned to always back on Indiegogo, it's gonna throw them off to go to another website.

I know the point of the arugment is double dipping and not necessarily shifting platforms completely like Doug wanted to (and yes, I know he did an Indiegogo after this too, but both combined didn't get to book 1 numbers), but if there is such a "big new audience" on Kickstarter instead of Indiegogo, why couldn't Doug get to even HALF of what book 1 did? Could it be that YOU SEND THE BACKERS instead of KickStarter finding them for you?

I don't know, that's just my thoughts.

 

[Weeb Slinger]

This reads an awful lot like he didn't know what the universe "is" until just now. I believe I alluded to this briefly in an earlier post when talking about the fact that he's redoing the dialogue in Grand Bizarre in order to establish basically the entirety of his universe's lore. It's not a carefully planned universe or story. This makes me lose an awful lot of faith in the direction of the series.

Ya Boi goes through cycles of mule-like stubbornness where he will neither cede any ground, nor accept an intrusion into an adjacent parking space, or even the encroachment of the sun's rays into an area where he is working.

Eventually, the restless weight that he has heaped on top of himself becomes too much. His dogmatism crumbles into flailing self doubt. Concepts that were previously set in stone become either open to wild-eyed revisionism, or are re-coloured in different shades of mauve.

It could be argued that Jawbreakers has already weighed in with its own take on King Kong. Additional, more transparent, ventures into lapsed IPs (Hey kids, it's Flying Fox and Red Breast, and their valet Arthur!) are likely to resemble Warren Ellis's Planetary, crossed with late 1980s/ early 1990s action movies.

I am pretty certain that buried among Zack's many videos, there is one where he mentions the importance of defining the limits of a character's powers in order to create tension and drama in a story. Likewise, he would do well to spend a few days deciding what the Jawbreakers Universe is. He could then, perhaps, make an effort to describe it in a manner where he doesn't sound like 1980s Donald Trump on coke bender.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Pretty sure this is meant to be taken as a joke, but I almost wouldn't put it past him.

Maybe his strategy is to get sued again for another underdog-fights-the-oppressors arc. It got him a lot of sympathy bucks the first time and this is all about sound financial decisions amirite?.

My point with that, is that you condition your backers where to go.

Geez Nasser, what about potential new backers who have never heard of you before? Why eliminate those who might discover you on Kickstarter as even a possibility?

There is literally zero downside to listing your product for sale to as many potential buyers as possible in as many places as possible. Crippling yourself by intentionally limiting your product's potential reach over some inconsequential Coke vs. Pepsi debate is fucking stupid.

 

[Newman's Own]

There isn't a viable alternative to YouTube, but there is with KickStarter.

There are lots of alternatives to YouTube if you can get your loyal followers to follow you.

Clint has a good point about how you can hurt yourself more than any SJW could by removing yourself from a platform,

You can also hurt yourself by displeasing those in power. Micah and Liam learned this to their detriment. They weren't the first and they won't be the last.

given the politics of crowdfunding, he may find his overall numbers decrease if he tries to double dip.

That's a nice way of saying it. Tulsi Gabard and Bernie Sandars both learned that there's Democratic Party they can always be a part of but there's also the Democrat establishment who can chose if they rise or fall.

The new audience he hopes to find on Kickstarter may not offset the losses on Indiegogo from those who no longer wish to support him.

Why would anyone leave him on IGG?

Why would people stop supporting Clint just because he refuses to boycott KS in solidarity to someone like Meyer who won't even acknowledge CG anymore, puts out shit like "No" and "499", refuses to consider customer complaints and suckholes to the worst of the mainstream woke darlings in comics now?

That's a rhetorical question. Despite all this Meyer is still CG because he's "protected". It appears that anyone who enjoys that protection should not use KS if they expect to "be ComicsGate" in any way that matters ($).

EVS and Malin were pretty clear that this is 'not about money'. So what's it about?

Ethan and his inner circle enjoy specific privileges with IGG because they are exclusive with them. ComicsGate faithful outside his circle don't enjoy these privileges but they'd better not use KS anyway if they know what's good for them.

Ask anyone who's displeased the don by doing things their own way.

If Tim only did an Indiegogo campaign (and ran it for 120 days, since he does 60 on KS and 60 on IGG) he'd make as much as both platforms combined. KickStarter and Indiegogo aren't finding the backers for him. He has a large audience and hires artists with large audiences to do covers and pieces for the fan art gallery. The people backing that book are people who are fans of him.

I think another good example of this is Earthworm Jim book 2. Book 1 raised $800k on Indiegogo. This is after Doug has already done Bigfoot Bill on Indiegogo. Then he launched Bigfoot Bill 2 on Indiegogo. HOWEVER, with his 4th campaign, Earthworm Jim 2, he launched on KickStarter.

Doug lost backers because he was selling an issue two of a nostalgia comic. He would have lost backers no matter what. Expecting casuals to return for multiple books would have been retarded.

You understand sales and customer retention about as well as you understand pacing and character development.

If you had any of this figured out you would have kept your customers after you were excommunicated the first time. Instead you lost it all and quit comics in disgrace until Big Daddy E took you back and suddenly CG faithful were buying your stuff again. That's called access and it's a tap that can be turned on or off regardless of whether your on the boring talk show.

When you were tossed out the story was that you were a two faced back stabber and no one in CG defended you. Especially not Sciver or Malin. But now that you are welcomed back miraculously you can get comics funded again and you are defended from those who would still call you a back stabber.

This isn't complicated.

Clint's meh level work (looks like Hemingway next to yours) isn't likely to survive without the very political approval of CG's elite establishment. If he wants to keep selling comics he'd best know his roll and not piss off his betters.

You know this as well anyone.

 

[I'm not a Robot]

There is literally zero downside to listing your product for sale to as many potential buyers as possible in as many places as possible. Crippling yourself by intentionally limiting your product's potential reach over some inconsequential Coke vs. Pepsi debate is fucking stupid.

You're not taking into account the frenzy associated with crowdfunding. People will drop stupid amounts of money to hop aboard the hype train. Kickstarter regret is real and I think many successful campaigns wouldn't never been funded if people could've seen final product upfront. Image is everything when you're selling a house of cards.

Consolidating in one marketplace also increases the allure. People like to see that what they're buying into is popular and successful. Ethan's numbers wouldn't look as impressive if they were split between Kickstarter and Indiegogo, or if he skipped crowdfunding altogether and just sold direct on Ebay.

 

[Rupin]

You're not taking into account the frenzy associated with crowdfunding. People will drop stupid amounts of money to hop aboard the hype train. Kickstarter regret is real and I think many successful campaigns wouldn't never been funded if people could've seen final product upfront. Image is everything when you're selling a house of cards.

Consolidating in one marketplace also increases the allure. People like to see that what they're buying into is popular and successful. Ethan's numbers wouldn't look as impressive if they were split between Kickstarter and Indiegogo, or if he skipped crowdfunding altogether and just sold direct on Ebay.

they wouldn’t look as impressive, but they still would be because as of right now he is getting more numbers than anyone else on a repeated basis. But if he were to go to Kickstarter, I think that he would get even bigger numbers by virtue of picking up new customers who only use that platform or don’t know about indiegogo for one or two campaigns before it evened out.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Ethan's numbers wouldn't look as impressive if they were split between Kickstarter and Indiegogo, or if he skipped crowdfunding altogether and just sold direct on Ebay.

To this day he's still jealous over Doug's cross-platform success.

 

[Yuusha-sama]

To this day he's still jealous over Doug's cross-platform success.

EVS got already enough on his own plate to be not jealous.
Also I think Ethan is a person who feasts on his enemies when they fall instead of watching them when they win.

I bet he didn't care much when Doug got all whose subscribers and views.
But he popped a nut every time another of Doug's channels got taken down.

 

[Miniluv]

Your audience expects it to be on Indiegogo, and when it's not, they're unaware of your book, or they don't want to switch websites. When you have them conditioned to always back on Indiegogo, it's gonna throw them off to go to another website.

If they're your audience the only way they could be unaware of your book is if you fail to promote it. You make it sound like your backers are fucking retards (...).

This isn't like having to take a bus all the way across town to another grocer because the Food King isn't selling the peanut butter you like. It's literally a website. It requires no more effort to back a book on IGG than it does to back on on Kickstarter. I have backed books on both platforms and was surprisingly not "thrown off" by having to visit a website. You know how I knew the book I wanted was on Kickstarter? I saw an ad for it. Isn't it funny how that works? If having to visit a different website is enough to throw your backers into a fit because they "don't want to switch websites" as if any change in their routine will send them into a pants shitting tizzy, then your backers may in fact be a bunch of autistic retards.

I'm honestly amazed at how much mental gymnastics are required for the CG people to justify not using one of the largest crowdfunding platforms on the planet. It always seems that no matter the different reasons for it, they always manage to bring up how difficult it is to break the audience's "conditioning" by selling a book on a different platform and that they are easily confused and put off by the idea of registering a KS account.

Of course, this is alleviated by selling on both platforms. The faithful who are conditioned to ONLY back books on IGG won't have to face the scary wilderness outside of their favorite funding site and another group of backers can find them on a far more popular platform, backers who are also perhaps too autistic to leave the confines of Kickstarter. Certain CG pros will say this is a bad idea as their backers are, once again, easily confused and may just drool and stare blankly at their desktop if a comic is sold in more than one place.

The average CG backer according to CG creators:

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

EVS got already enough on his own plate to be not jealous.
Also I think Ethan is a person who feasts on his enemies when they fall instead of watching them when they win.

I bet he didn't care much when Doug got all whose subscribers and views.
But he popped a nut every time another of Doug's channels got taken down.

He often speaks about Doug's success being a motivating factor and the goal he's trying to beat. He even considered breaking his own rule and putting CF on KS to try to beat it.

 

[ShinyStar]

Consumer psychology comes into play when you're trying to court new customers. Since people can't see the finished product of a funding campaign, they have to come up with a proxy to guess at its likely quality. The number of people who have already backed a project is a very easy to understand proxy for quality. It's not a guarantee, but if you showed two campaigns to a random normie, one of which had $50,000 and the other of which had $250,000 of backing, they're more likely to think that the higher value one will have higher quality and a greater chance of being fulfilled than the lower one. Splitting your campaign between multiple platforms can give people the idea that it's not as good a product because they're going to see a lower number, regardless of what the cumulative totals are. Since the whole point of diversifying would be to get more people to buy, you'd have to seriously consider whether the new pool of buyers would outweigh the people on the fence who decide not to buy because they look at your apparent lackluster sales and don't get excited.

Also, you have to take into account the mechanics of the sites you're using. IGG promotion is heavily tied into what percentage your campaign is fulfilled. If you manage to get your backing up over 300% of your stated goal, you're a lot more likely to have IGG promote your material on their homepage or other places. That means more views from people outside your natural customer base. If splitting your campaign means you get 30% the promotion that you would have if you'd kept it all in one place, then you're getting less exposure even if you're spread on two platforms.

Another IGG mechanic that matters to a lot of campaigns is stretch goals. If people are doubling their purchase to help push the campaign to the goal that has the merchandise they're really excited about, then that could mean you get more money from your current backers, and also draw in additional purchases from people who might not have been motivated by early goals but get caught in by later goals. If you're splitting your campaign, that's going to make it a lot harder to reach stretch goals, which can lead to fewer customers and less money per customer.

There may be circumstances when it makes sense to put your work on multiple platforms, but to pretend like sticking to one is stupid doesn't take into account all the realities of these campaigns.

 

[A nameless trool]

If they're your audience the only way they could be unaware of your book is if you fail to promote it. You make it sound like your backers are fucking retards (...).

This isn't like having to take a bus all the way across town to another grocer because the Food King isn't selling the peanut butter you like. It's literally a website. It requires no more effort to back a book on IGG than it does to back on on Kickstarter. I have backed books on both platforms and was surprisingly not "thrown off" by having to visit a website. You know how I knew the book I wanted was on Kickstarter? I saw an ad for it. Isn't it funny how that works? If having to visit a different website is enough to throw your backers into a fit because they "don't want to switch websites" as if any change in their routine will send them into a pants shitting tizzy, then your backers may in fact be a bunch of autistic retards.

I'm honestly amazed at how much mental gymnastics are required for the CG people to justify not using one of the largest crowdfunding platforms on the planet. It always seems that no matter the different reasons for it, they always manage to bring up how difficult it is to break the audience's "conditioning" by selling a book on a different platform and that they are easily confused and put off by the idea of registering a KS account.

Of course, this is alleviated by selling on both platforms. The faithful who are conditioned to ONLY back books on IGG won't have to face the scary wilderness outside of their favorite funding site and another group of backers can find them on a far more popular platform, backers who are also perhaps too autistic to leave the confines of Kickstarter. Certain CG pros will say this is a bad idea as their backers are, once again, easily confused and may just drool and stare blankly at their desktop if a comic is sold in more than one place.

The average CG backer according to CG creators:

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Most people are site-agnostic when it comes to crowdfunding: you want something so you click on it and back it.
However, certain communities are formed around crowdfunding. I believe there is a strong tabletop community around KS and CG is a strong comicbook community around IGG.
If you plan to tap into CG, you better go to IGG and, unless you also plan to tap into a community of people that trawl KS for products similar to yours so it is a good idea to double-dip.

The way I see it, EVS has priviledges on IGG and Malin has an axe to grind over JawBreakers with KS (while YBZ does not care and will occasionally back and promote kickstarter projects) and will remain on IGG and shun those who don't.
But unless somebody in CG double-dips successfully, it is a bad idea to do so.

 

[Miniluv]

Most people are site-agnostic when it comes to crowdfunding: you want something so you click on it and back it.
However, certain communities are formed around crowdfunding. I believe there is a strong tabletop community around KS and CG is a strong comicbook community around IGG.
If you plan to tap into CG, you better go to IGG and, unless you also plan to tap into a community of people that trawl KS for products similar to yours so it is a good idea to double-dip.

The way I see it, EVS has priviledges on IGG and Malin has an axe to grind over JawBreakers with KS (while YBZ does not care and will occasionally back and promote kickstarter projects) and will remain on IGG and shun those who don't.
But unless somebody in CG double-dips successfully, it is a bad idea to do so.

Don't misunderstand, I totally get that it's exciting to be part of getting a book funded up to a big milestone like $500k or something huge like that. It feels like you're part of something and there's the sort of "us vs them" thing that was really going strong at times like Doug's Bigfoot Bill campaign when Ethan had the stream that sent the campaign into the stratosphere. That was exciting and fun to watch. I get it.

Splitting campaigns when you make six figures right out of the gate almost every time with a dedicated backer base and a professional name behind you might not make sense. But guys like Clint Stoker who don't do those numbers should explore every option to maximize their profitability and for people that are in that six figure club to bitch about him even considering it is absolute bullshit.

The ones that could really successfully double dip are probably the ones that wouldn't really need to. Why go through the hassle of managing two campaigns if you're pulling down six figures in one go on a single platform? It's the small guys who are involved in CG who depend on every dollar and might benefit more. If they think they've hit a wall with their IGG backers, there's no reason they shouldn't consider another platform that could potentially reach more people.

 

[Newman's Own]

EVS got already enough on his own plate to be not jealous.
Also I think Ethan is a person who feasts on his enemies when they fall instead of watching them when they win.

I bet he didn't care much when Doug got all whose subscribers and views.
But he popped a nut every time another of Doug's channels got taken down.

You underestimate the man's pettiness.

He lost his shit when Doug got invited to talk on a mainstream panel at San Diego that he didn't and flipped his wig when he didn't get a shout out.

He takes the success of his rivals very seriously. Ego is a motherfucker.

 

[Rupin]

You underestimate the man's pettiness.

He lost his shit when Doug got invited to talk on a mainstream panel at San Diegothat he didn't and flipped his wig when he didn't get a shout out.

He takes the success of his rivals very seriously. Ego is a motherfucker.

it’s also part of what makes him so successful. Though, at this Doug is a non issue. That’s why he is always looking for a new evil to defeat.