US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

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Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
 
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NO, You will get nothing & like it. :story:
 
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Gehenna said:
The best thing is that the more the Blue Dog's hold out, the more it incentivizes holdouts from other factions. Now, it will be much slower to gain traction with the Squad as they are all House of Representative members and thus you'd need 5 to peel away and vote against to actually gum things up. While there are nominally 6 members, only 4 are actually active and of them, only 2 are really mega assholes. Still, the longer that situation goes on the more painful its going to get.
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It literally is the prisoner's dilemma playing out in real time. And the thing is, the benefits of defecting are lucrative. Manchin said he wasn't going to play ball, and got wall-to-wall breathless coverage, with the media hanging on his every word. And how can the Democrats retaliate? This needs to be done now. They don't support Manchin or Sinema in their upcoming elections? That's fine, those won't be for another few years. Same with the House elections. And while they're still not popular, voter's views of their own representatives are more positive than their views of Congress as a whole. Getting voters to turn against their representatives would be easier said than done. I'm just not seeing many good options for anybody but trying to get everything out of this that they can. And, of course, not worry too much about us down here.

Terrifik said:
hope for the best
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And expect the worst!

Trianon said:
AND the administration is actively blaming unvaccinated people for their punishment of the vaccinated, redirecting that anger away from themselves. It's evil.
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They're trying to, anyway. But if you couple that with the ever-changing and confusing guidance that the CDC offers and the increasingly lucrative benefits to holding out to get your own vaccine, then it's not doing as much good as they might think. It's continuing to expose the difficulties for them when it comes to getting anything done, and I think that's going to resonate almost as loudly with Democratic voters.
 
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Compositesludge said:
And while they're still not popular, voter's views of their own representatives are more positive than their views of Congress as a whole. Getting voters to turn against their representatives would be easier said than done.
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Last polling I saw was that Sinema was pretty popular in her state. At least not underwater and probably has a few Repubs rooting for her.
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They're trying to, anyway. But if you couple that with the ever-changing and confusing guidance that the CDC offers and the increasingly lucrative benefits to holding out to get your own vaccine, then it's not doing as much good as they might think. It's continuing to expose the difficulties for them when it comes to getting anything done, and I think that's going to resonate almost as loudly with Democratic voters.
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Hope you're right. They have no basis for doing any of it if they are not testing for the delta variant and releasing more transparent data. As of now, they are basing it on one bar party and a study of viral load that doesn't say anything about vaccinated transmissibility. It's all just assumptions and there's no control group. I do think it will split the vaccinated groups between sensible people and diehards. They could kind of all hang together before this.

Trying to figure out how/if I should send a sternly worded email to my workplace telling them I will not be wearing a mask. Is it better to make it clear to higher-ups in a respectful way or just silently non-comply until someone makes it an issue?
 
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Trianon said:
Last polling I saw was that Sinema was pretty popular in her state. At least not underwater and probably has a few Repubs rooting for her.

Hope you're right. They have no basis for doing any of it if they are not testing for the delta variant and releasing more transparent data. As of now, they are basing it on one bar party and a study of viral load that doesn't say anything about vaccinated transmissibility. It's all just assumptions and there's no control group. I do think it will split the vaccinated groups between sensible people and diehards. They could kind of all hang together before this.

Trying to figure out how/if I should send a sternly worded email to my workplace telling them I will not be wearing a mask. Is it better to make it clear to higher-ups in a respectful way or just silently non-comply until someone makes it an issue?
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Silent non-compliance 💯
 
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I've been quite pessimistic about Gavin Newsom actually being recalled but if he tries to slam the brakes on fully reopening and go back into lockdowns that might actually do it.
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lockdowns help him in that he can force mail in voting to save his evil ass from being removed from office

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My ass. If Biden couldn't even get a postal union to bend the knee, why would all (and I mean ALL) blue state governors jump on board for more lockdowns.
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carrot vs stick, with emphasis on stick.

Some blue states with divided state level government/governorship might be able to resist Biden. But some like Virginia that didn't' might have a boot on their neck to make them go full lockdown this time around.

Ita Mori said:
And what stops the red states from open and publicly telling their constituents that Joe is trying every weaselly tactic to "take away their rights and freedom"?
It seems to me that if the red states have balls (always a 50/50 gamble), there's not much the federal government can do. Specially when it's politically convenient for red states to stay open.

Of course the feds have power, but if Trump couldn't get blue states to cooperate with ICE, I feel Biden getting red states to shut it all down is a unicorn sell.
He's not Obama nor does he have genuine charisma to talk his way to victory.

Thanks for the theory crafting btw.
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Assuming the end game is martial law, Biden will declare red state governors traitors and then start moving to kill state rights or use it to drum up support to get him that super majority he needs to stop pretending to give a shit about democracy and rule like a dictator.
 
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Compositesludge said:
I think the big thing about it and the infrastructure bill is that this is a make-or-break moment for the Democrats, and they know it. They at once have a complete majority and a razor-thin ability to get things done. If anybody blinks (Sinema, Manchin, the Squad, etc.) everything gets upended. And with the stakes as high as they are, there's a massive risk-reward at play. Will the more conservative faction of the Democratic party win out? Will the progressives use the power they've accumulated to flex on the party? Will they all go to vacation and damn us all? It's a high stakes game, and we have no choice but to watch.
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That's not true.

They have only a razor thin as fuck majority in the Senate. The House, in spite of GOP gains in 2020, is still controlled by a Democrat majority comfortable enough that the Squad can fuck off and throw a tantrum about not getting Khmer Rogue style communism and not getting Khmer Rogue style communism right now and Pelosi can still get shit passed.

It's only in the Senate where the "majority" is illusionary and fragile as fuck due to it being 50/50 and requiring Kamala as a tie-breaker AND Manchin/Sinema being on board.

And that being said, Democrats suffer from the syndrome where even when they have power, they want more power and will self-sabotage to manipulate voters to give it to them, until they have enough power that they can make it impossible to ever remove them from office. Hence the dream of the super majority.
 
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Compositesludge said:
It literally is the prisoner's dilemma playing out in real time. And the thing is, the benefits of defecting are lucrative. Manchin said he wasn't going to play ball, and got wall-to-wall breathless coverage, with the media hanging on his every word. And how can the Democrats retaliate? This needs to be done now. They don't support Manchin or Sinema in their upcoming elections? That's fine, those won't be for another few years. Same with the House elections. And while they're still not popular, voter's views of their own representatives are more positive than their views of Congress as a whole. Getting voters to turn against their representatives would be easier said than done. I'm just not seeing many good options for anybody but trying to get everything out of this that they can. And, of course, not worry too much about us down here.
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To add to this for those unaware Kiwis, Manchin is from West Virgina. Yes, that West Virginia. He's fucked politically if he goes with the rest of the party at all since the coal industry (and its unionized workforce) have all gone over to the Republicans, hard. That said, he's got himself a lovely racket as he's able to rake in favors due to being a swing vote like that. And to make matters worse for the Party, due to that above switch if they apply too much pressure he just switches sides, mumbles something about "muh constituents", and they've lost WV forever.
 
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6 weeks of Pain : Where is my money!! :story: :story:

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I will go on to note that Congress and Biden could have acted the day the SCOTUS decision came out. The reason why they did not extend it or even hold sessions or propose bills is because they don't care.

Ignore any Congress Creature going in front of the camera claiming to fight for you on this. They don't care.
 
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LaxerBRO said:
I will go on to note that Congress and Biden could have acted the day the SCOTUS decision came out. The reason why they did not extend it or even hold sessions or propose bills is because they don't care.

Ignore any Congress Creature going in front of the camera claiming to fight for you on this. They don't care.
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Biden couldn't do anything about it, and congress is gridlocked. This isn't necessarily a case of "I don't care" so much as a case of "Absolutely nothing can be done regardless". Even if they don't care about their constituents well being, they do have to care about their vote still as the refortifying failed gloriously. This is going to -hurt-.
 
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Gehenna said:
Biden couldn't do anything about it, and congress is gridlocked. This isn't necessarily a case of "I don't care" so much as a case of "Absolutely nothing can be done regardless". Even if they don't care about their constituents well being, they do have to care about their vote still as the refortifying failed gloriously. This is going to -hurt-.
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He could hold a Rose Garden press conference and push Democrats in the house to extend it.
 
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